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Post by one2many on Sept 15, 2015 11:56:42 GMT
Around 8 hours to kick off and no match thread. Such apathy!
I never get my prediction right, neither the score nor the result so I will go for 0-0 in the knowledge that, barring a very early goal, for at least a few minutes I will be correct.
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Post by andyl on Sept 15, 2015 14:13:59 GMT
Win poisoning and raring to go. It may become a contest between our Lilliputians and the giant Nuhiu. I think we will be wise to play it on the ground. I doubt Neil will vary the team. Definitely one we can win . Not sure who can score!
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Post by Trotter on Sept 15, 2015 14:15:30 GMT
I'm going for another win I greatly hope we have turned the corner so it's a 2-0 win for me to shoot us further up the league.
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Post by natfan on Sept 15, 2015 16:34:13 GMT
Referee, Peter Bankes, does not seem to have refereed us before. Stats suggest he is a bit card happy this season. Both linesmen, (sorry,'assistant refs'), have the first name Barry - hope its is not an omen.
Predictions:Madine to break his duck in a 2-1 win to us, Silva to get injured, and AndyL to blame Lennon for the number of supporters' fingernails bitten to the quick in the last twenty minutes!
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Post by Trotter on Sept 15, 2015 21:02:44 GMT
A clean sheet but no goals, 0-0 2 dropped points it seems.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 15, 2015 21:38:50 GMT
I would say it was more like a point salvaged, seeing as we could and probably should have been 2-0 down in the first 5 minutes.
We are slow and ponderous in the build up, we don't press the opposition when they have possession.
Silva although very obviously talented is beginning to frustrate, because he has very little end product, but his most obvious skill is his ability to win free kicks, shame we haven't got anyone who can capitalise on this.
Feeney showed tonight, that just because he took his goal well on Saturday, he is still an awful football player, who cannot take a corner or free kick and just cannot cross the ball accurately.
I think Danns may have benefitted with a rest following his head injury, I'm sure Vela couldn't have done any worse if he had played.
If Mark Davies is the best midfielder in the Championship I would hate to see the worst, he may have had quite a good pass percentage, but I think even I might manage it if I was passing backwards and sideways all the time.
Madine still hasn't broken his duck and (I think) actually deflected what looked like a certain goal for Prince over the bar.
Zach Clough seems to have had a recurrence of the injury that kept him out at the end of last season, but on current showing wouldn't be missed if he was forced out with injury again.
Dobbie was on the pitch for 2 mins and in that time he had a shot on target and another that went narrowly wide. How refreshing to have someone in the team who is actually willing to have a shot!!!
Heskey isn't going to score us goals, but he won everything in the air once he came on, now we just need someone to feed off him.
The back 4 generally did well and once again Moxey had a very good game, both in defence and getting forward, with little or no help from Silva in the defensive department.
Ben Amos had a very steady game, made a couple of good saves, and mixed up his distribution a bit, but is obviously being instructed, more often than not, to launch it downfield, it's boring and it gets us nowhere.
Come on Neil, this style of play is too reminiscent of DF, and we aren't quick witted enough or fleet of foot to play on the counter attack, and good as the defence may be, there will come a time when they will buckle under the constant pressure we invite upon ourselves by not pressing the opposition and allowing them oceans of space and time to play the ball.
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Post by andyl on Sept 15, 2015 21:45:56 GMT
Firstly the positives: this was a fantastic defensive performance and from the nominated defenders at that as they often got scant protection from forwards. Indeed a number of Wednesday attacks were sponsored by our forwards who either couldn't hold on to the ball or passed it horribly or worse danced across field to lose the ball in possession.
Yet the defence was brilliant,dogged, determined for the most part not conceding fouls and keeping the ball to a fault. In front of the back four I thought that Danns had a memorably excellent game. Osede once gave a glimpse of just how effective he may prove in the Campo role breaking from defence and crisply initiating an attack
we set up with two wide men, two up front and two in midfield. I was very disappointed yet again in Neil. He sent out the same team that had struggled to keep possession on Saturday and the same players failed. Sheffield Wednesday strung five across midfield, outnumbered Danns and Davies and kept pinning themback. If Saturday was a Freedmanesque set up tonight's variation added quite a lot of Coyle- redundant wide men and insufficient men in midfield. This led time and time to retreat and back pass sometimes from attacking positions. It was poor football. Madine held nothing, Clough was lightweight and Feeney flickered but was all too often too deep although he did at least help Wilson out. The same could not be said for Silva. He was lively and posed a constant threat on the left to both Wednesday and U.S. I am beginning to get cross with him. He almost never picks a final pass or shot and play acts when fouled. I toyed with giving him a really low mark but at least he has pace. Moxey who was again superb will need serious therapy if he carries on behind Silva! Silva will have excited some but he was very naive as indeed was Clough. At times we were carryiing both of them plus Madine and Feeney.shot Silva actually had two great first half chances but never looked like taking them. Madine was worse. His intervention actually cleared a Prince header.
the game screamed out for the use of Vela and Spearing in midfield to create more numbers and release Davies forward. In the end Neil was forced into putting Dobbie on by an injury to Clough's shoulder and immediately we were better. Dobbie fired in our first shot and we finished reasonably strongly. He's key also won more in ten minutes than Madine had in 80. Neil appeared on the line only a few times, once to arrange his pre match drinks with Feeney, and once to be warned for bad behaviour. Again they made theist subs first. We were too heavy up front and over staffed on the flanks.
The truth is that Sheffield We'd had four fabulous chances to our one. Another day we would lose that 1-4. But the sterling defence averted that defeat. Amos was quite magnificent. Calm and confident. He's hard to beat one one.
Amos 10 Wilson 9 Prince 9 Osede 9 Moxey 9 Davies 7 Danns 9 Feeney 4 Siva 5 Clough 2 Madine 2 Dobbie 6
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 15, 2015 21:58:56 GMT
We'll that report is really encouraging AndyL and thanks also to realtrottersforever for your views. Didn't go tonight as I'd already commited to playing in a 7 a side game., but it's glaringly obvious that with 6 in the against column, we are doing something kind of right and certainly as good as Burnley and Hull, but again, with just 3 goals in the for column, Gartside has to find some funds for Lennon to buy a decent set of strikers. Not one, but two!!
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Post by davidm on Sept 15, 2015 22:16:10 GMT
Agree 100% with rtf above.
We were second best and totally overrun in midfield. Defensively we were good and somehow escaped when Wednesday had 2 easy chances in the first half. Added to them, some excellent saves from Amos kept it 0-0 at halftime when it should have 2 or 3 nil.
In my mind, our problem is the wingers. We cannot afford both Feeney and Silva in the same team because it leaves Danns and Davies up against 3/4 opponents. Added to that the final ball/cross from both of them was terrible.
Madine has no confidence and, at the moment, no skill.
Time for a major change of tactics because we were so fortunate to get a point tonight.
Amos - 9, Wilson - 8, Moxey -8, Prince - 8, Derik - 8, Danns - 6, Davies - 5, Feeney - 3, Silva - 4, Clough - 4, Madine- 4
Manager - 4 (tactics all wrong!!)
One other question - how did Forestini stay on the pitch. He was booked, then committed 4 more fouls and then dived over Amos to try and get a penalty.
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Sept 16, 2015 6:46:28 GMT
We'll that report is really encouraging AndyL and thanks also to realtrottersforever for your views. Didn't go tonight as I'd already commited to playing in a 7 a side game., but it's glaringly obvious that with 6 in the against column, we are doing something kind of right and certainly as good as Burnley and Hull, but again, with just 3 goals in the for column, Gartside has to find some funds for Lennon to buy a decent set of strikers. Not one, but two!! Rioch you stated the other day that you couldn't actually see what Mjalby did for our club. You've just answered your own statement. Lennon has credited our defensive strengths directly to Mjalby so actually he could be a bad loss |
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Post by bonaparte on Sept 16, 2015 6:51:05 GMT
Agree with Andy and David, except I thought Danns was poor and not worthy of a 9, 5 or 6 would be my score.
The whole team cannot pick a pass, and gave SW the ball to mount yet another attack.
What do they do in training, perhaps a lot of running.
Manager, as DF, does not seem to realise the game is 14 players, not 11.
He would not have substituted except for the injury to Clough.
Vela and Spearing I feel would have beefed up the midfield early in the second half replacing Feeney and Madine. With Dobbie on for Clough.
Hesky is big and classy, but no one is there to feed off his lay offs
Poor fare all round, especially the referee.
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Post by andyl on Sept 16, 2015 7:32:00 GMT
I'm not a Danns fan per se but thought his scaffolding of the giant Nuhiu really good at times and his tackling fierce
Vela, Spearing and Trotter ( who can pass,dribble,shoot,head and tackle - ok he doesn't fit the battling context but who else can do those 5 and NL could surely improve him as he has some others) could all even with weaknesses enhance that team instead of the lightweight wingers and forwards who do one or two of the skills at best
Credit where it's due. Amos, Osede Prince Wilson and Dobbie all look really good signings better than Freedman ' s but tactically we are awry. At Ipswich last year we had 5 in midfield and dominated them.. Come on Neil. That overall last night was no better than Coyle
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Post by OohMac on Sept 16, 2015 9:47:24 GMT
Clough apparently out for a long time after dislocating his other shoulder. Pratley not yet back after a knock and Dervite injured. Same things happening as last year. Someone mentioned that Clough won't be missed on this form. Possibly not as a number 10, and when Pratley gets back I would definitely be looking to use him in a different role but cant play Davies and Clough in the same team.
Can't blame Lennon for wanting to keep with a winning side finally on a high after a win but probably should have worked out that it wasn't clicking. If we'd have gone 4-5-1 at home to Sheff Weds I would have said it was too negative and doesn't give Madine a chance at all.
4 points in as many days added to 4 matches unbeaten shows there is some progress being made and room for more hope. See if we can get some points on the board away from home too.
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Post by greydad on Sept 16, 2015 11:16:37 GMT
As suggested by previous posts we witnessed an excellent performance by Amos and his back four....I think Davies and Danns were deserving of at least 7/8 out of 10, considering the extra workload they were burdened with in what was a 2 man midfield for much of the game. Feeney and Silva were given plenty of the ball, and the latter in particular usually occupied 2 or 3 of the opposition, but the lack of a consistent end product, and the frequency with which possession was relinquished in the final third ensured that the back four, along with Davies and Danns , worked tirelessly and to great effect. Dobbie made an immediate impact, and although the game was ultimately frustrating, the team is unbeaten in 4, is conceding few goals and in my'glass half full' mode I look forward to current striking issues being addressed to complement the defensive tweaks that are now bearing fruit. I hope Clough has as speedy a recovery as is possible following his shoulder injury, Clayton's return to fitness assumes even greater significance given the former's misfortune. |
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Post by joanna on Sept 16, 2015 13:19:04 GMT
Trotter... can pass,dribble,shoot,head and tackle - ....but he can't run!!......which is rather a handicap for a footballer at any level!! Like very many others, I dispute the skills you credit him with. In any case, his lack of any sort of pace makes any skills purely academic. He should change his surname to Loper or Lumberer! If anything, we need to inject more pace and athleticism into the side. Silva is a welcome addition in that respect and Pratley's return would further improve the mobility level. Neil and co. have done well to shore up the defence. Midfield is more than adequate in my opinion. I agree that Spearing and Vela need to be used more than at present. But clearly we need to find more sharpness up-front. Heskey has his uses but there absolutely MUST be some up-and-coming, pacey athlete who could put away the sort of chances that Davies served up on a plate last Saturday.....either in the lower leagues, in a reserve side, Scotland or abroad. Come on, scouts! |
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