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Post by joanna on May 1, 2015 11:12:13 GMT
Who would you include if you were picking your best 11 of the season?
Feel free to pick players who only played a handful of games, were in/out on loan, or have left the club altogether.
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Post by joanna on May 1, 2015 13:08:06 GMT
Ok, I'll start us off with the ones who I think have been worth their place, but I haven't had time to consider the best formation to accommodate them all.
Lonergan, Vela, CYL, Pratley, Clough, Bannan, Ream, ALF, Heskey, Cravies, Wheater, Mills, Clayton, Eidur, Mavies..........
There you are....that's enough for 4 subs as well.
I have to admit that when it came to defenders, I was rather stumped. (Basically, we will need to replace them all with four who are comfortable on the ball, but have pace and power too.) The ones who did so well against Liverpool evidently have the talent if they can focus for 90+ minutes, but recent displays by Dervite made it impossible to pick him.
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Post by bonaparte on May 1, 2015 13:58:54 GMT
Lonergan, Vela, Mills, Wheater, Ream, CYL, Pratley, Mavies, Bannan, Cravies, Clough, subs Heskey, AlF, Eider, Clayton, Bogdan,
Agreed defenders are a big issue, especially inability to launch attacks from defence, and lack of concentration at end of games. Some of the younger players could and should feature next year, hopefully stronger and not so easily dispossessed.
I know AndyL will disagree with Lonergan and lack of Trotter at the very least.
Whatever attributes Trotter has, for me are outweighed by his lack of pace and poor positioning and poor tackling although he has made one or two telling passes, but not enough.
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Post by megsontilidie on May 1, 2015 14:18:09 GMT
who'd have thunk it..No Bogdan for Joanna ? if NL ditches Lonners and goes with Boggers, will you change i'm not picking a full 11....just a few certs for me Vela, CYL, Pratley, Clough, Ream, ALF, Cravies, Mills, i like Bogdan and Wheater but they've hardly played. ( i know your criteria says no. of games irrelevant but even Feeney has had the odd good game but no way can he be included ! ) Mavies has talent but frustrates and has hardly played. Spearing i like too, but his form was iffy 1st when he was here. i see Ream has got player of the year... classy on ball and a 100%'er but as several have noticed recently..david M , Andy etc his defending has been ropey at times to say the least. i'm not sure he deserved it 2 yrs' in a row. i voted Vela. Pratley and Cravies would have been good shouts too, if it wasn't for more pesky injuries.
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Post by andyl on May 1, 2015 15:40:16 GMT
Two ways to meet this challenge,Joanna: to name 11 personal favourites on personal criteria irrespective of position ; and then to pick the best starting line up- and this will be different and may never have taken the field
1. Favoured eleven: Amos,Bogdan, Ream,Le Fondre, Clayton, Clough, Eidur, Emile, Vela, Rochina, Pratley
2 Best Team : Amos, McNaughton,McCarthy Wheater, Ream....Pratley, Vela, Bannan, Le Fondre, Clough, Clayton
Re the best team I'm here omitting anyone who can't offer 90 mins which takes out Emile, Eidur, Walker, Janko. Rochina and Twardzik. I'm allowing Clough a start even though he can't quite get the distance. And Mark D too can't yet get the distance.
This is a bit harsh on Lonergan, Trotter , Mills and Craig D who in my opinion compete for selection butfor differing reasons might not make it to a first choice starting eleven. And Moxey has been as good as most
I'd like to have Ream in midfield but we haven't another left back . And to have Clough, Le Fondre and Clayton might seem indulgent and we might as a result miss a winger but I just think they could each score ten to fifteen goals and Clayton did well coming in from the left. Bannan and Ream could both get crosses in
I do admire your spirited recent defence of Feeney,Joanna and maybe his effort does deserve commendation. Nice try! But he wouldn't feature in either of my above selections because he's xxxx(x) - please all supply your choice of word
Inconsistently perhaps I'm excluding Danns because he has overwritten some superb games, for example at Liverpool with some dreadful recent showings
And Dervite also although he has survived some dodgy games and indeed had one or two good ones has recently resembled El Cid- here you can choose his Gallic compatriot as the comparator or Charlton Heston's unmoorish warrior going to battle when already dead!
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Post by joanna on May 1, 2015 19:34:59 GMT
Not to have included CYL, Andy L, suggests that you have missed the whole point, surely. Re-read criteria!
2 goalkeepers in favoured team???
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Post by andyl on May 1, 2015 22:16:09 GMT
Nope. Just forgot him. Out of sight etc. Obviously our best player so discard Rochina and Bannan from my elevens
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Post by andyl on May 1, 2015 22:19:13 GMT
But please also note my preamble. I picked an eleven as per your remit but not a team..Just the best eleven and I think both Amos and Bogdan would be amongst our top eleven performers. My second offering is the team!
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Post by greydad on May 1, 2015 22:56:20 GMT
A good idea for a thread, and one which gives food for thought at what might have been! On the basis of the criteria stipulated my eleven would be.. .Amos, Vela, Wheater, Mills, Ream, CYL, Clough, Pratley, Clayton, C. Davies, ALF. subs...Bogdan, McCarthy, Mark Davies, Rochina, Heskey, Bannan, Eidur, . Have preferred Vela to McNaughton as I feel that he has performed so consistently at full back, and although I have often extolled Ream's potential as a midfielder he too has been by far our best (usually our only!) left back. Goalkeeper was a tough one, but Amos edges it due to goals conceded under his 'watch'.
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Post by OohMac on May 4, 2015 20:29:53 GMT
I said a while ago how you could almost right player ratings for a few players before they've even kicked a ball, but more often than not I could probably have a good go at most. Bogdan 6: Kept us in the game with some fine saves but possibly to blame for the goal and some nervy moments. Vela 7: started slow but got to grips with the game later on, one of the better performers. Mills, Dervite, Ream 6: Battled well but got caught flat footed to let the opponents score and a defensive mix up could have led to more goals. Moxey 5: Few challenges but offered little going forward and given a hard time by the winger. Danns 5: Quite game, broke play up with some clumsy challenges, booked and subbed to avoid being shown a second yellow. Lucky to stay on the field. Bannan 6: Boltons better midfielder, came close with a mild shot. Should have done better. Feeney 4: Ran all day but crossing let him down, no end product and struggled to beat the left back too many times. Walker 6: Looked lively before fading after 30 minutes. M Davies 5: Some decent touches but never got into positions to cause the defenders any problem, struggled to get into the game. Heskey 5: Made his presence known, competed for every ball but lacked the killer instinct and never linked up as well as he would hope. Le fondre 6: Ran the flanks and chased for most balls. Did well with the little service he got.
Sound about right to anyone else.
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Post by davidm on May 5, 2015 11:50:08 GMT
For me, best eleven is:-
Amos, Vela, ANOther (as I can’t think of a central defender who did well), Ream, Clough, CYL, Bannan, Pratley, Le Fondre, Clayton, Walker
In addition to the best eleven, I looked at which players I would keep for next season. This being in the perfect world where we would have the option to keep any of our loaned players and also get rid of others regardless of what length of contract they were on.
Amos - Acquire Bannan - Acquire Baptiste - Keep - Didn't think I would ever say that after the previous season but maybe he is a centre half. Bogdan - Keep - Keep but I think he is off to pastures new Clayton - Keep Clough - Keep Coke - Dump Danns - Dump Davies Craig - Dump - Too injury-prone Davies Mark - Keep Dervite - Dump Feeney - Dump Gudjohnsen - Keep Heskey - Dump - Not a goal threat Janko - Acquire Kellett - Keep Le Fondre - Acquire Lonergan - Keep - Only to be kept if Bogdan goes. McCarthy - Dump McNaughton - Dump Medo - Dump Mills - Dump - Just not a leader or organiser of the defence which a skipper must be. Moxey - Dump Pratley - Keep - Never thought I would say that as I have slagged him off endlessly but credit for an improvement. Ream - Keep Rochina - Dump - Not seen enough of him. Spearing - Keep - There is still something to build on with him but I fear his wages are too much. Taylor - Keep Threlkeld - Keep Trotter - Dump Twardzik - Keep Vela - Keep Walker - Keep Wheater - Keep Wilkinson - Keep - Needs to beef up.
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Post by realtrottersforever on May 5, 2015 13:15:57 GMT
For me, best eleven is:- Amos, Vela, ANOther (as I can’t think of a central defender who did well), Ream, Clough, CYL, Bannan, Pratley, Le Fondre, Clayton, Walker In addition to the best eleven, I looked at which players I would keep for next season. This being in the perfect world where we would have the option to keep any of our loaned players and also get rid of others regardless of what length of contract they were on. Amos - Acquire Bannan - Acquire Baptiste - Keep - Didn't think I would ever say that after the previous season but maybe he is a centre half. Bogdan - Keep - Keep but I think he is off to pastures new Clayton - Keep Clough - Keep Coke - Dump Danns - Dump Davies Craig - Dump - Too injury-prone Davies Mark - Keep Dervite - Dump Feeney - Dump Gudjohnsen - Keep Heskey - Dump - Not a goal threat Janko - Acquire Kellett - Keep Le Fondre - Acquire Lonergan - Keep - Only to be kept if Bogdan goes. McCarthy - Dump McNaughton - Dump Medo - Dump Mills - Dump - Just not a leader or organiser of the defence which a skipper must be. Moxey - Dump Pratley - Keep - Never thought I would say that as I have slagged him off endlessly but credit for an improvement. Ream - Keep Rochina - Dump - Not seen enough of him. Spearing - Keep - There is still something to build on with him but I fear his wages are too much. Taylor - Keep Threlkeld - Keep Trotter - Dump Twardzik - Keep Vela - Keep Walker - Keep Wheater - Keep Wilkinson - Keep - Needs to beef up. My best 11 is pretty much the same as yours davidm but am tempted to include Wheater in your ANOther spot. As for your list of retainees/dumpees I would almost concur entirely Amos - Acquire Bannan - Acquire Baptiste - Keep - Didn't think I would ever say that after the previous season but maybe he is a centre half. He IS a centre half, just that DF chose to play him all over the place then blamed him when things went wrong.Bogdan - Keep - Keep but I think he is off to pastures new Clayton - Keep Clough - Keep Coke - Dump Danns - Dump - Why did we ever give him a 12 month extension to his contract?Davies Craig - Dump - Too injury-prone - bit half and half with Cravies, cos we do need someone with presence up front and I would rather have him than Heskey, but agree is he a bit too injury proneDavies Mark - Keep - he's a dump for me, he doesn't make enough of an impact when he's fit and he too is too injury prone, but could be one we could make some money on (if in contract)
Dervite - Dump - Marc Iles hang your head in shame when you said he was comfortable on the ball. He had shocking stats when he arrived and they are probably just as bad. Feeney - Dump Gudjohnsen - Keep - not sure about Eidur, realistically he can't play week in week out and generally doesn't offer enough, but still has some class.Heskey - Dump - Not a goal threat Janko - Acquire Kellett - Keep Le Fondre - Acquire Lonergan - Keep - Only to be kept if Bogdan goes. McCarthy - Dump McNaughton - Dump Medo - Dump Mills - Dump - Just not a leader or organiser of the defence which a skipper must be. Moxey - Dump Pratley - Keep - Never thought I would say that (Me either) as I have slagged him off endlessly but credit for an improvement. Ream - Keep - but please can we play him in a Campoesque role!!
Rochina - Dump - Not seen enough of him. Spearing - Keep - There is still something to build on with him but I fear his wages are too much. Taylor - Keep Threlkeld - Keep - he might have potential but he needs to speed up he was almost slower than ZK at recovering his positionTrotter - Dump Twardzik - Keep Vela - Keep Walker - Keep Wheater - Keep Wilkinson - Keep - Needs to beef up.
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Post by megsontilidie on May 5, 2015 18:19:24 GMT
agreed Cravies is a toughie....if fit well worth a place. per Alan Nixon's twitter, "as far as he knows...Cravies has NOT been offered a new deal"
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Post by megsontilidie on May 6, 2015 10:59:57 GMT
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Post by andyl on May 6, 2015 11:18:25 GMT
For me, best eleven is:- Amos, Vela, ANOther (as I can’t think of a central defender who did well), Ream, Clough, CYL, Bannan, Pratley, Le Fondre, Clayton, Walker In addition to the best eleven, I looked at which players I would keep for next season. This being in the perfect world where we would have the option to keep any of our loaned players and also get rid of others regardless of what length of contract they were on. Amos - Acquire Bannan - Acquire Baptiste - Keep - Didn't think I would ever say that after the previous season but maybe he is a centre half. Bogdan - Keep - Keep but I think he is off to pastures new Clayton - Keep Clough - Keep Coke - Dump Danns - Dump Davies Craig - Dump - Too injury-prone Davies Mark - Keep Dervite - Dump Feeney - Dump Gudjohnsen - Keep Heskey - Dump - Not a goal threat Janko - Acquire Kellett - Keep Le Fondre - Acquire Lonergan - Keep - Only to be kept if Bogdan goes. McCarthy - Dump McNaughton - Dump Medo - Dump Mills - Dump - Just not a leader or organiser of the defence which a skipper must be. Moxey - Dump Pratley - Keep - Never thought I would say that as I have slagged him off endlessly but credit for an improvement. Ream - Keep Rochina - Dump - Not seen enough of him. Spearing - Keep - There is still something to build on with him but I fear his wages are too much. Taylor - Keep Threlkeld - Keep Trotter - Dump Twardzik - Keep Vela - Keep Walker - Keep Wheater - Keep Wilkinson - Keep - Needs to beef up.
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