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Post by andyl on Nov 29, 2014 18:29:58 GMT
Not a classic game. Indeed the first half threatened 'Mr Turner'levels of tedium but for all that it was a good, well controlled win and a game we might well have lost earlier in the season. Lennon's team is more assertive and the whole team defends better than it did.
In Chungy and Vela we have a couple of players who offer class and skill and although Chungy had a quietism game he was the hub of our forward movement and in the end his link up with Feeney allowed Craig D to reprise his first half point blank chance and this time it won thevgame
Although Lonergan was given an object lesson by his opposite number in respect of how to come and catch crosses, his own first foray being a Horlicks of magnitude he atoned by a fabulous save at the end of the first half, a point blank block in the second and a superbly judged dash from goal to force a one on one opponent to shoot wide. All three could well have resulted in goals although not for me dismissing the nervousness his aerial work causes nor atoning entirely for his slow tempo distribution. But he could be argued to have won this game for us
in front of him Vela and Ream were excellent and really brought the ball out well. Mills was less good at this but really solid aerially and Dervite was his usual understated, calm self. Ream lost the ball badly once as did Pratley once but many more times the one touch passing game looked impressive and for the most part we weren't hounded down before the release as used to be the case. Danns is a changed man. Much that was good came via his feet and the quickness of his movement. Another good hand was played by Pratley. He was very much involved in our three best moves and kept up a high tempo. We did not miss Spearing at all although Mark D's surges were absent and diminished our forward movement relative to the last game.
Upfront and this is my only point of difference with mtid above I thought Clayton's tireless chasing, quickness of mind and movement and his non stop harassing were a feature of our much improved play light years better than Beckford but also critically stronger than Mason. Craig D was his usual clumsy self and he gave away some daft fouls but he is a handful and made a major contribution to our aggressive spirit. We almost now have a full team of tries. I say almost because Feeney is the odd one out. He is erratic defensively and was too reluctant to move forward. His contribution to the goal spared him too much indignity but the bell is tolling. Even in five minutes Hall showed that he offers more and his understanding with Vela led to one excellent quick attack
all in all a vital win building on good spirit and leadership. There are not as many basic passing errors and confidence is growing. We just need a bit more skill. Eidur?
Lonergan 8 Vela 8 Mills 7 Dervite 7 Feeney 5 Danns 8 Pratley 7 Chungy 8 Clayton 7 Ream 7 Craig D 7
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Post by davidm on Nov 29, 2014 19:19:03 GMT
Not a classic game. Indeed the first half threatened 'Mr Turner'levels of tedium but for all that it was a good, well controlled win and a game we might well have lost earlier in the season. Lennon's team is more assertive and the whole team defends better than it did. In Chungy and Vela we have a couple of players who offer class and skill and although Chungy had a quietism game he was the hub of our forward movement and in the end his link up with Feeney allowed Craig D to reprise his first half point blank chance and this time it won thevgame Although Lonergan was given an object lesson by his opposite number in respect of how to come and catch crosses, his own first foray being a Horlicks of magnitude he atoned by a fabulous save at the end of the first half, a point blank block in the second and a superbly judged dash from goal to force a one on one opponent to shoot wide. All three could well have resulted in goals although not for me dismissing the nervousness his aerial work causes nor atoning entirely for his slow tempo distribution. But he could be argued to have won this game for us in front of him Vela and Ream were excellent and really brought the ball out well. Mills was less good at this but really solid aerially and Dervite was his usual understated, calm self. Ream lost the ball badly once as did Pratley once but many more times the one touch passing game looked impressive and for the most part we weren't hounded down before the release as used to be the case. Danns is a changed man. Much that was good came via his feet and the quickness of his movement. Another good hand was played by Pratley. He was very much involved in our three best moves and kept up a high tempo. We did not miss Spearing at all although Mark D's surges were absent and diminished our forward movement relative to the last game. Upfront and this is my only point of difference with mtid above I thought Clayton's tireless chasing, quickness of mind and movement and his non stop harassing were a feature of our much improved play light years better than Beckford but also critically stronger than Mason. Craig D was his usual clumsy self and he gave away some daft fouls but he is a handful and made a major contribution to our aggressive spirit. We almost now have a full team of tries. I say almost because Feeney is the odd one out. He is erratic defensively and was too reluctant to move forward. His contribution to the goal spared him too much indignity but the bell is tolling. Even in five minutes Hall showed that he offers more and his understanding with Vela led to one excellent quick attack all in all a vital win building on good spirit and leadership. There are not as many basic passing errors and confidence is growing. We just need a bit more skill. Eidur? Lonergan 8 Vela 8 Mills 7 Dervite 7 Feeney 5 Danns 8 Pratley 7 Chungy 8 Clayton 7 Ream 7 Craig D 7 Agree more or less 100% with this Andy. It is a good sign to win, and deservedly win, when we did not play that well. We worked hard and deserved 3 points.
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Post by spanishjonny on Nov 29, 2014 20:24:43 GMT
Tight game, thought Dervite had is best game for us so far, was brave, strong in the tackle and won most of those awkward head high bouncing balls, his distribution is a lot better than Mills.
The back four are much more solid now, Ream has pace to recover when needed, skill and guile coming forward and can pick a pass with that left foot.
Vela has settled at right back and is getting better every game, whether he would be better in midfield time will tell.
Chungy, in spells, was the best player on the park.
Clayton's first touch sometimes let's him down but his pace and strength and movement are keeping Mason on the bench. If Lennon can incorporate Gudjonson and some good January loans the future looks bright
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Post by Trotter on Nov 30, 2014 8:44:08 GMT
Sunday morning winning feeling sets the day up nice and bonny
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Post by joanna on Nov 30, 2014 9:31:01 GMT
Andy L wrote: "Not a classic game. Indeed the first half threatened 'Mr Turner'levels of tedium..." ....but you must surely have appreciated Mr. Turner's superb Oscar-winning acting and direction, Andy! If not, I can't ever take your judgements on BW seriously again!!
Actually, I thought your ratings were about right for yesterday's game. I'm glad you've come round to appreciating Danns who I've seen have some very good games and, like Pratley, when used correctly, has the energy to influence outcomes. All the players have improved under NL, partly because of his clever use of praise but also his ability to judge who is worth a place in the side and how best to employ them. The contrast with the negative Depressing Dougie is stark. I'm enjoying the little things, such as the pre-match minimising of praise for the opposition and their manager, where DF used to gush such flattery that you felt he was getting his excuses in early.....
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 30, 2014 10:46:54 GMT
3 more points chalked up on the board for NL and the lads, a breath of fresh air comes to mind, we are now 10pts off the play-offs so who would have thought that a few weeks ago when Dougie was here? Wise words Trotter and that's what we've been lacking for ages!!! People drinking from the half full cup.... Sure, we are pretty much still in relegation mire looking at our position, but under the ever impressive Lennon, we are looking at 18th place in a positive way and to state that we are only 10 points off a play off place says everything about the buzz around the place. With Derby getting stuffed and the likes of Wolves shipping a minimum of 4 goals a game of late, there's nothing to suggest that NL's momentum (aided by a couple of Jan additions) can not only get to the play off position but even jump into the top two spots. There's a lot of football still to be played, confidence and momentum are wondrous things and at the moment, we have them in abundance, so why not I say'!! We have a massive game coming up against READING and I'm confident we'll erase the memory of Freedmans Wanderers that day
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Post by OohMac on Nov 30, 2014 11:49:04 GMT
Called it wrong with the goalfest prediction. 100% home record and competitive away under Neil so can't be too much to complain about. I'm not getting carried away. I think Lennon's doing great with the players he has, will be tough to lose our creative players in Davies and Lee for January. Hopefully Lee goes that tournament with a new contract signed and sealed.
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Post by skipper on Nov 30, 2014 13:15:28 GMT
Nice to see another win under Lennon, and as was highlighted by Andyl a game we may have lost earlier in the season. Onwards and upwards for us now.
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Post by megsontilidie on Dec 1, 2014 14:41:51 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30155732Heard this me'self on sat'day but for the benefit of others, Lennon's post match interview to GMR. so refreshing to hear a manager see the game in a similar way to myself. combining postivity , praise and honesty, while not slating anyone publicly, but also not spinning stuff , nor any BS. NL said " Pratley had a great game...covered the ground fantastically well". i was pleased to see him given the full 90. even though most agree he's been playing well lately, he's regularly been the soft option to sub off early . didn't exactly work at Blackpool that policy as it was 0-0 when he went off and Spearing conceded the free kick that they scored from. this aspect of covering the ground is underated by some fans. you don't need all your team to do it, but its nice to have 1 or 2 good engines in there to play the higher energy pressing stuff..getting into the oppostions faces. its reminds me of a line by Roy Keane... www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10763907/Arsenal-are-a-joke-that-gets-funnier-in-the-retelling-but-they-do-not-amuse-Roy-Keane.html"Against Everton, they played like a veterans’ team. Football’s a running game, and they don’t do enough of it.”
and there speaks a guy who was not the most naturally talented player , but who in his pomp covered every blade of grass. from what i can remember, Lennon was a similar player to DP ,not that skilful but bags of effort , combativity and drive. back to the initial point re the interview...also agree with NL about front 4 being a bit below par..especially Clayton and Feeney as said in my post-match post on here. i thought those 2 were quite quiet v Blackpool too. Chungy was decent but definitely one of his quieter days. Cravies was good in the 2nd half. didn't really notice him being that bad in first half but will take NL's word on that one.
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Post by andyl on Dec 1, 2014 15:32:28 GMT
Yes, a good team needs complementary skills. It was interesting that Danns anchored left midfield and Pratley mainly operated on the right in the first half. I don't know Huddersfield well enough to fathom why nor was I at Blackpool to know how we set up there. Maybe it's about compensating for Mark D's absence? But they both contributed significantly to Saturday's win and have ceased to be the marginalised, rather average players they appeared under Freedman and in Pratley'ss case Coyle too.
And yes it is so good to have a manager who is not spouting senseless spin or bull, one who is realistic, accurate and builds morale but doesn't seem to patronise or wish to educate we fans
Re tedium , Joanna. I'll grant you that Mr Turner is an artistic triumph with good photography, sets and locations and broadly faithful to what is known of selected aspect of JMWT's life. I'll even grant that some of the supporting actors were good. It is not an Oscar winner yet!! Timothy Spall was the least effective of all and the sum of the parts was nearly three hours of excruciatingly tedious cinema whose minutes I can never reclaim. Hmmmmph! As an analogy for the first half on Saturday though, well what need have we of analogies who have endured these last three or four seasons. We are experts in defining tedium- those of us who remain !
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Post by joanna on Dec 1, 2014 16:37:33 GMT
Andy L: copied from the Bible of film reviews:-TOMATOMETER
96% positive Average Rating: 8.5/10 Reviews Counted: 53 Fresh: 51 Rotten: 2 Critics Consensus: Led by a masterful performance from Timothy Spall and brilliantly directed by Mike Leigh, Mr. Turner is a superior Hollywood biopic.
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Post by joanna on Dec 1, 2014 16:44:42 GMT
PS: Suggest you go to see The Imitation Game, Andy L; really enjoyable and enlightening, with brilliant performances, especially from Benedict Cumberbatch, but also from Keira Knightley who has been unfairly criticised in the past almost as crudely as Pratley. Once you get a manager who can spot a player's talents, they are often able to employ that player in his most effective role. Lennon is really good at this.
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Post by andyl on Dec 1, 2014 16:58:00 GMT
It's next on the list . And I'm with you 100% re KK.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 20:38:51 GMT
It's next on the list . And I'm with you 100% re KK. Eeeeeerrrrrrrr guys its a FOOTBALL thread ,try and keep on topic please
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Post by joanna on Dec 2, 2014 9:56:10 GMT
It might not be a bad thing to broaden discussion occasionally, whilst keeping football and BWFC as the main uniting feature, of course.
There's a big wide world out there and life doesn't totally revolve round the Macron. Might be interesting to see what else others are interested in besides taking it in turns to denounce, for example, Dougie or Darren.....and then queue up to lavish praise on Neil and Chungy etc. It all gets a bit "samey".
Diversification might add to the rather paltry number of posts and the interest-value for posters like Julie Moores who I notice has lapsed again quite quickly.
What do you think, RTF?
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