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Post by andyl on Nov 7, 2014 22:30:11 GMT
What a splendid game. It was end to end from the off and the quality of our pressing was a sight to behold. Craig D and Clayton led the attack superbly and Mills was imperious at the back winning everything in the air
The first half fizzed along and both sides played the ball around impressively . Clayton had a good shot and Wigan finished really strongly. We ended the half on the ropes with Wigan missing two good chances, one striking the post.
Whatever Lennon said at half time worked wonders. Mark D started to move forward more persistently. Chungy had a marvellous game and was involved in everything. His intelligence shone through and he dominated midfield. I should imagine his pass completion rate was very good. He had excellent support from Danns who was also outstanding. A Chungy through ball found Clayton and this time he rifled the ball in with aplomb. Then Craig D fed Feeney who for once lofted the perfect cross for a very deserved goal for Craig D very well taken. We were all over them now and they looked very shaky. Clayton pounced on defensive uncertainty and narrowly missed. Would we pay for this ? No because after some wrestling in the box we won another pen. This time Chungy took his time and fired it down the middle. It was like a coming of age for him. He needed and took responsibility
A word for Vela. He was in at the deep end marking one of the best wingers in the division and he saw him off. I love his skill on the ball and the easy confidence he has to pass with either foot. He has a turn of speed too. He all but slammed in a goal . It was a shame that he slipped for the breakaway that produced their goal. But that was some volley!
Anyway it seems that it is possible to hold on to three goal leads at least for the Wanderers. What a transformation we have seen
Lonergan 7. Vela 7. Dervite 7 Mills 9 Ream 8. Danns 9. Mark D 7 Chungy 10. Feeney 6 Craig D 9 Clayton 9
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 7, 2014 22:39:56 GMT
Nice words Trott Bournemouth Premier League?? Surely not!! But with that much uncertainty in the Championship league, there must be every chance for us to push on and stake at least a play off spot.. Wins breed confidence and confidence breeds wins, NL has certainly instilled that into the same DF players and he has made us supporters and the town of Bolton proud to support the Whites 2 week break now, enough time for NL to work another miracle in turning Beckford into a striker!!!! Okay, I was getting too carried away in all the excitement then, that's one miracle even the great man above can't achieve Darkslime must be rubbing his hands with glee at NL's achievements in such a short space of time, not only has he put a smile back on our faces, he's taken all the heat and flack away from the Fat Controller.. I still want him out though grrrrr
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Post by megsontilidie on Nov 7, 2014 22:44:52 GMT
what can i say..great result. back to back wins. out of the bottom 3. 3 home games for Lennon...3 wins...3 goals in EACH !. is Woppy still watching Atherton as he didn't rate NL lol. Wigan started off on top. Maloney a good chance after 2 mins,after Mcmanaman ( their best player ) skinned Vela. Mcmanaman then whistled one against the bar from 20 yards or so. he also hit the post late on in first half after a mad 2 minutes from us where we got a bit lucky..they had several half chances one after the other. having said all this, i agree with Socal, Wigan overall were quite poor & i wouldn't be surprised if Rosler got the tin tack. we had a top 15 mins after the break when we just ran away with it . possession was 53%, and we're definitely playing as a team more. lets face it, you could hardly play less as a team than dF's tripe !! www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2014-2015/attack/homewe were 8th best home attack before this game...3 more goals ( table not adjusted yet as i type) should put us somewhere like joint 3rd, although obviously all other teams still to play..but we should manage to retain 5 or 6th. is this the team DF thought weren't good enough. knowing that deluded prat, he'll probably be trying to take credit for Clayton and Cravies etc. lennon now on 4 wins in 6. a 67% win %..his win % at celtic was only 69%..good grief !!! . marks : Lonergan. 6 virtual spectator. only faced 2 shots..let 1 in. not to blame for it, though i would have liked him to spread his arms more as if it had have come more his way, he was not making himself big again. Vela 6. good passing and composure but got exposed by Mcmanaman several times. and unused to fullback positions ..played Espinoza onside once in first half when he was deeper than rest of back line. Dervite 6. not tested that much. Mills 7. won some good aerials again. 1 excellent tackle at 32 min mark , where Vela lost ball high up, and they could have been on a counter, but Mills was in like flynn, won it clean as a whistle, and passed it simple to get us attacking again. Ream. 6 Steady. looking a bit more like his normal self. Mcmanaman troubled him a bit too when he swapped wings. Danns 7. grafted hard in first half. needed someone to step up and make up for loss of Pratley's high energy game, and he did. almost scored goal of the century at one point in 2nd half, beat 2 men in tight area on edge of box, lost in then he won it back with a good slide tackle, then beat 2 more men in equally tight space. but then had to pass it as he got crowded out. Mavies . 6 . ok. one good run which ended with a powder puff shot. grafted better than Tuesday. Feeney . 6.5. good hanging cross for 2nd. CYL. 9 . looks back to his best..all the tricks coming out..like the season when he won player of the year.. assist for 1st goal. even better pass for Clayton chance in first half. scored pen. Clayton 8. was bit worried about possible lack of workrate, but needn't have worried..he put himself about well..good energy levels and willingness to get back. nice finish for 1st goal..got his shot on target in first half. Cravies. 9. brilliant performance again. hard to split MOM between him and Lee. joint award for me. amazing header for 2nd. thoroughly deserved a goal. looking at the sky replays back at home, he was instrumental in the 1st holding the ball up & giving a good pass to Lee. and for the 2nd not only did he score it, he had put the pass out to right wing into space for Feeney. grafted like mad as usual not giving their centre backs a moments rest.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 7, 2014 22:53:45 GMT
Wowzers! What a game, first half I thought that we were the better team and they had miles the better chances. We could have gone in 3-0 down and felt very hard done by. Second half...Unbelievable Jeff. They just picked up and stepped up. It was as good as a performance as i've ever seen. When we conceded I was worried but it was a glimpse of quality from Wigan that produced it. The 5 mins that followed it was a little panicky but we settled down once again.
We used one sub(late on) to their three and still overran them, that was the fittest most enthusiastic and best spirited team i've seen for a long while.
On Craig Davies, I wonder how much Super Kev might have put an arm around him last season and said "Listen, I'm a club legend there and there's not much in it between the two of us, I've never scored 10+ goals and never scored from outside the box. You don't need too with this set of fans. If you throw yourself about and put it all on the line and try hard, they will take to you" He's been a revelation!
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Post by OohMac on Nov 7, 2014 23:09:13 GMT
Oh ratings: Lonergan 6(distribution was poor first half, nothing to do second) Vela 7 (Toughest job in the championship marking McManaman but thought he did a very mature performance. First five minutes I thought he would be a fish out of water but settled and played very well) Mills 9 Fantastic Dervite 8 Ream 7 Danns 9(best game by far, confidence is back)C.Y Lee 9(Dougie what was you doing!!!!) M.Davies 8 (love to see him turn and run at defenders) Feeney 5(sorry...the only the only person I can say that didn't work tonight) Clayton 6 (great goal but should have the match ball in his locker tonight!) Cravies 9 (Like Super Kev and bagged a goal)
First job for Gartside. Contract extensions.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 8, 2014 7:58:57 GMT
Home game 3 goals To us of course 3-1 I'm getting pretty good at this predicting mularchy .. The NL effect tells me everything about the same players under Freedman, they either didn't want to push that little bit harder under him or he clearly didn't know what the f he was doing, or maybe a combination of both... Far too early to say this but we could be looking at the next big thing since Bruce and BSA!! Now all we need is the Far East Wonga to back NL for a push to the Prem and hey presto.... Well done NL and the lads for a terrific derby victory against the Pathetic from Wigan I think it is a combination of both but predominately the simple fact that a good manager like NL who treats people properly and earns respect will get performances from even average players whilst a poor and divisive manager like DF will fail even with quality players. Both of these are perfectly clear given performances from quality like Chungy, Davvo and Vela and average ones like Cravies, Pratley and Danns. What a massive difference and like you I see NL as the next big thing for BWFC. People are concerned he might leave for a PL club but I don't see that. Where would he go where he has more potential than here with all the infrastructure we have? The top clubs won't touch him so only the likes of Villa or Everton could offer him more. I think he'll stay here and take us into the PL with him.
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Post by joanna on Nov 8, 2014 9:34:50 GMT
Wow! What must Mr. Freedman be feeling this morning now that the truth about his managerial abilities has been made so patently clear? His spin about the poor quality of his squad made some fans think he was right and that we were all basically abysmal. Personally, I never felt that about Chungy, Mavies, Lonergan, Dervite, Danns......but I have been amazed at how Lennon seems to have transformed the effectiveness of our "lesser" players like Pratley, Cravies and Mills for example. The introduction of players that DF largely ignored has been a revelation too. Team spirit is really high: there was a lovely moment yesterday when Ream and Danns(?) worked their way through a cul-de-sac wide out on the touchline and touched hands in recognition of each other's efforts and skill.
Basically, Lennon has reversed all of Freedman's negative ideas and the players are clearly relishing the light being switched on: they want to perform for NL.
So will Freedman be feeling chastened and accepting of his failings that have been laid bare? I have a feeling that this stubborn, blinkered, proud man is more likely to claim that he laid the foundations, all his "coaching" is now bearing fruit, and he should have been given more time. The poor, deluded soul!
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Post by davidm on Nov 8, 2014 10:29:42 GMT
Another exciting entertaining game - thank you Neil Lennon!
We didn't have the best start - first 10 minutes seemed to be purely passing back to Lonergan who whacked it upfield plus 3 or 4 punts from Mills and Dervite. We kept going though and grew into the game. We carried some luck, particularly the last 2 mins of the first half when mass panic set in.
Second half though was excellent.
Everybody stepped up. We had no passengers and the atmosphere was excellent.
I agree 100% with Joanna's comments about Mr Freedman. He came so close to ruining us. Just look at Chungy and Josh Vela to see how he almost destroyed them with his tactics. Again I say thank you to Neil Lennon.
The first 15 minutes of the second half were extraordinary - fast paced, wonderful effort and tremendous passing and desire.
Marks:-
Lonergan - 6. Didn't have much to do. His distribution was a bit off but, as Joanna says, goalkeeping is not an issue for us. Vela - 8. Skinned by Macmanaman early on but grew into game. What a talent he is and, importantly, could develop into. Excellent passing with both feet. Dervite -7. Got turned twice by Fortune in the first half but battled back and was steady. Mills - 7. Again very strong in both boxes. Ream - 7. Same with Vela with regard to Macmanaman. Won the battle though. Linked up well in the second half. Danns - 8. Worked his socks off. Guilty of a couple of over elaborate dribbles which could have got us in trouble but well played. Mark Davies - 7. I thought he played too deep in the first half but that changed in second half. Good to see him get in some chunky tackles in second half. CYL - 9. Brilliant again. That pass for the first goal was sublime. Feeney - 6. I'm still not sure about him. His 2 goals on Tuesday covered up some poor play. Excellent centre for Davies' goal. Craig Davies - 8. Hard work again and deserved goal. He started the move for his goal with a pass out to Feeney and got into area to score. Clayton - 8. What a good first start. With a bit more composure, which will come, he could have had a hat trick.
Manager - 10. Tremendous. His half time talk must have been brilliant.
The last 2 performances have restored the passion and desire in the supporters. I am back to planning away trips again - something which Mr Freedman knocked out of me.
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Post by andyl on Nov 8, 2014 10:43:44 GMT
Just one point after a very happy drive home! I disagree re Wigan and one post above. I thought that in the first half with the possible exception of Derby they were the most impressive passing team we have played. The last ten minutes of that half had them swarming around us and we were really having to circle the wagons. McManaman in particular was outstanding and much as Clayton could have had a hat trick
The fact that they dropped heads a bit in the second half was down to the brilliamce of our attacking play and our commitment and team spirit. We battered them relentlessly and never let them settle. Chungy was pure class. This was a far better victory than those over Brentford and Cardiff and they were uplifting enough. This was a top notch second half against a team who themselves may be out of luck and confidence but will likely end up in the top half of the division on that showing.
If I had to pick out two other players for special mention it would be Mills who after a disaster at Norwich looked as I say imperious and Danns who so often has appeared second rate, half fit and dreamy had an outstanding game linking up with Chungy and others. One run into the openalty area showed incredible bodily strength. I am beginning to rethink my opinion of him
We had no weak links last night not even Feeney who supplied that excellent cross for our 2nd but otherwise lacked something of skill, overrrunning the ball from time to time.
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Post by socalwanderers on Nov 8, 2014 15:00:56 GMT
Just one point after a very happy drive home! I disagree re Wigan and one post above. I thought that in the first half with the possible exception of Derby they were the most impressive passing team we have played. The last ten minutes of that half had them swarming around us and we were really having to circle the wagons. McManaman in particular was outstanding and much as Clayton could have had a hat trick The fact that they dropped heads a bit in the second half was down to the brilliamce of our attacking play and our commitment and team spirit. We battered them relentlessly and never let them settle. Chungy was pure class. This was a far better victory than those over Brentford and Cardiff and they were uplifting enough. This was a top notch second half against a team who themselves may be out of luck and confidence but will likely end up in the top half of the division on that showing. If I had to pick out two other players for special mention it would be Mills who after a disaster at Norwich looked as I say imperious and Danns who so often has appeared second rate, half fit and dreamy had an outstanding game linking up with Chungy and others. One run into the openalty area showed incredible bodily strength. I am beginning to rethink my opinion of him We had no weak links last night not even Feeney who supplied that excellent cross for our 2nd but otherwise lacked something of skill, overrrunning the ball from time to time. AndyL, Wigan for me were very physical especially Barnett #5 who eventually gave away the PK! Pushing and shoving went unnoticed by the ref and even though they had the last 10 min of the first half I felt we controlled the possession throughout the game overall. Going back to their missed effort in the closing stages of the first half, if you see the highlights you will see that (I think it was McManaman) came from an offside position to get the ball which led to the shot on goal which again went unnoticed. McManaman was there main threat and Vela did really well keeping him at bay, unfortunately Vela did slip to let Wigan get the chance to score but for me we was 3-0 up and cruising! On another note I feel Mark Davies had a really poor passing game last night with virtually every pass getting intercepted. My MOTM however has to be CYL! His vision and overall game play was premier league standard. I noticed the Burnley boss in the stands last night and won't be surprised if he was there to make offers on at least a couple of our players come the transfer window.
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Post by kazooki on Nov 8, 2014 17:55:23 GMT
Excellent game, especially the second half. Agree with almost all points previously made, excluding the "poor team" badge that gets given to every team we beat .. getting sick of it to be fair. We deserved to win and we made them look poor in the second half because we played so well, especially after the first goal .. it was wave after wave of attacks orchestrated by CYL and the workrate of Danns and Cravies and the intelligence of Clayton. I wanted him to play Cravies and Clayton upfront and he has with an excellent result. Clayton could well have easily had a hat-trick! Bring on the leagues spanking boys, shame we have to have an international break
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Post by OohMac on Nov 8, 2014 19:02:01 GMT
Couple of points. Rosler has apparently said there is no place in the modern game for Craig Davies? Where to start with that one. If there's no room in the game for a handful, goalscorer and penalty winner then its a bleak bland of game he's envisioning for the future. "Tag Footy". Secondly wasn't Fortune just basically playing that role to less affect and thirdly it really does sound like what I said last night. We have another Super Kev. Opposing managers and defenders hate him and don't know what to do with him.
Secondly Sean Dyche at the game, what can we read into that? Before the match I thought he may have been looking at Callum McManaman(still might be) but after that i'm convinced there will be bids for Chung-Lee. Mark Davies too. I hope we can afford to reject and get some contract extensions done.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 8, 2014 19:09:50 GMT
Excellent game, especially the second half. Agree with almost all points previously made, excluding the "poor team" badge that gets given to every team we beat .. getting sick of it to be fair. We deserved to win and we made them look poor in the second half because we played so well, especially after the first goal .. it was wave after wave of attacks orchestrated by CYL and the workrate of Danns and Cravies and the intelligence of Clayton. I wanted him to play Cravies and Clayton upfront and he has with an excellent result. Clayton could well have easily had a hat-trick! Bring on the leagues spanking boys, shame we have to have an international break Yeah in patches Wigan were fairly impressive. Especially McManaman.The difference with the teams is that we played so well for long periods which tired them out and made them make mistakes whereas Wigan did it in spurts which we were able to recover from, or rode our luck.
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Post by kcobain4 on Nov 9, 2014 6:44:58 GMT
Couple of points. Rosler has apparently said there is no place in the modern game for Craig Davies? Where to start with that one. If there's no room in the game for a handful, goalscorer and penalty winner then its a bleak bland of game he's envisioning for the future. "Tag Footy". Secondly wasn't Fortune just basically playing that role to less affect and thirdly it really does sound like what I said last night. We have another Super Kev. Opposing managers and defenders hate him and don't know what to do with him. Secondly Sean Dyche at the game, what can we read into that? Before the match I thought he may have been looking at Callum McManaman(still might be) but after that i'm convinced there will be bids for Chung-Lee. Mark Davies too. I hope we can afford to reject and get some contract extensions done. Mr Rosler such a sad man he can be!but can understand his frustration, under pressure managers tend to say things like that! We ve heard similar nonsense from Dougie and the other clown with the shorts(still can't even mention the name). Fortune was doing the same job as cravies, and with Waghorn in his squad you can't really go out and say things like that! As for Burnely, well done to them for getting their first win yesterday, but still the only way for them is back to the championship. As much as I rate and like Sean Dyche as a manager dont think they have the quality to stay up, and can't see them pulling a "Crystal Palace" after January. In any case let hope we can extend some contracts...and even if a bid comes in lets make some money out of a player in our payroll(for a change). On another note...What a game on Friday! As someone said after our second goal...we are finally watching some proper football! On the first half I was a bit sceptical about Clayton starting, thought he was not connecting very well with the rest of the team when going forward...but I was so wrong!i like the kid, and we might have a real good player there(signing him maybe the only good thing DF did in the last 12 months). Also I like that Lennon looks like he is not relying on the loaned players and trying to built a foundation with our own players.
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Post by megsontilidie on Nov 9, 2014 17:39:57 GMT
Just one point after a very happy drive home! I disagree re Wigan and one post above. I thought that in the first half with the possible exception of Derby they were the most impressive passing team we have played. The last ten minutes of that half had them swarming around us and we were really having to circle the wagons. McManaman in particular was outstanding and much as Clayton could have had a hat trick The fact that they dropped heads a bit in the second half was down to the brilliamce of our attacking play and our commitment and team spirit. We battered them relentlessly and never let them settle. Chungy was pure class. This was a far better victory than those over Brentford and Cardiff and they were uplifting enough. This was a top notch second half against a team who themselves may be out of luck and confidence but will likely end up in the top half of the division on that showing. If I had to pick out two other players for special mention it would be Mills who after a disaster at Norwich looked as I say imperious and Danns who so often has appeared second rate, half fit and dreamy had an outstanding game linking up with Chungy and others. One run into the openalty area showed incredible bodily strength. I am beginning to rethink my opinion of him We had no weak links last night not even Feeney who supplied that excellent cross for our 2nd but otherwise lacked something of skill, overrrunning the ball from time to time. AndyL, Wigan for me were very physical especially Barnett #5 who eventually gave away the PK! Pushing and shoving went unnoticed by the ref and even though they had the last 10 min of the first half I felt we controlled the possession throughout the game overall. Going back to their missed effort in the closing stages of the first half, if you see the highlights you will see that (I think it was McManaman) came from an offside position to get the ball which led to the shot on goal which again went unnoticed. McManaman was there main threat and Vela did really well keeping him at bay, unfortunately Vela did slip to let Wigan get the chance to score but for me we was 3-0 up and cruising! On another note I feel Mark Davies had a really poor passing game last night with virtually every pass getting intercepted. My MOTM however has to be CYL! His vision and overall game play was premier league standard. I noticed the Burnley boss in the stands last night and won't be surprised if he was there to make offers on at least a couple of our players come the transfer window. i see Rosler's comment on the FL show were that some of the Wigan players "folded & gave up " www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29966422i think that's what me & Socal saw, especially in that 15 min spell others who are saying it was all due to us are a bit fanciful, after all Wigan were bookies faves to win this. strong stuff from Rosler : >> "I am not sure that means a lot for some of my players. I saw a lot today. Some of the players will have to wait a very long time before they get a chance again. "I feel embarrassed. I apologise to the fans and the chairman for our performance in the second half" www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-athletic/embarrassed-rosler-apologises-for-players-giving-up-1-6941860if you were giving marks to Wigan players, Mcmanaman would get 8 or 9. i think Fortune did quite well, maybe 7... really can't say anyone else stood out. and Barnett was awful...gave away a needless pen, handed a sitter to Max Clayton ,some of his body language reminded me of ZK. i've never been a big fan of Scott Carson either..don't know why Al hAbsi isn't first choice . Carson faced 5 shots on target and let 3 in. just 2 saves. only 4 shots faced in open play. these are just nuances though. it's not to say we didn't deserve to win or that we didn't play well. it is to say like OM said, that the first half was even, and it was all suddenly over in 15 mins ,and very rare you're able to cruise home for 30 mins against any team, let alone a team that were favourites to beat you.
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