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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 22, 2014 8:18:56 GMT
www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/11487201.Attacking_problems_continue_for_under_fire_Bolton_Wanderers_boss_Dougie_Freedman_with_defeat_at_Wolves/?ref=var_0yet more from the never ending conveyor belt of tripe from DF. "You can spend big money on players and they’ll take their chances, I watched Nottingham Forest the other night and the reason they are at the top is that they have a goalscorer who takes his chances" yes and remind me where Fulham are in the league. they bought Mccormack for 11 mill quid !!. i'm sure Millwall and Brentford didn't spend big yet they both have 11 points & we are still 3 points behind Rotherham. does DF actually believe he's getting the best from this squad because from his interviews you have no idea what he truly believes. he's always on the defensive ( on & off the pitch !) & always ready with a pile of excuses. i don't beleive the gist of the article anyway..as if we're creating loads of chances but not putting them away..we did seem to have a few more chances than usual, but in general we're finding it hard to score from open play ,and yet again the only big chance he has to moan about is a missed pen. the confidence gained from midweek seemed to help the performance, but if you don't string a run together that will soon evaporate, and we'll be back with the losing habit again.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 22, 2014 8:23:00 GMT
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Post by boomerang on Sept 22, 2014 9:45:24 GMT
... that statement is inexcusable... I'd like to divide it into two... "where we are as a football club"... yep, right down there in a relegation fight, already, with no signs of it changing any time soon... we know about the debt, well... so, the moaning is a little wearing... ... "what we've got"... it's basically his team now and the sign of a good manager is getting the best out of "what we've got"... not working really is it Duggie? I gave him the benefit for too long, but since he couldn't get the best out of ex-PL players and now "his"players, he's been exposed... ... since the "nearly got the playoffs" disaster, he's now plumbing the depths with this team... how long before he touches bottom...
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 22, 2014 10:24:33 GMT
... that statement is inexcusable... I'd like to divide it into two... "where we are as a football club"... yep, right down there in a relegation fight, already, with no signs of it changing any time soon... we know about the debt, well... so, the moaning is a little wearing... ... "what we've got"... it's basically his team now and the sign of a good manager is getting the best out of "what we've got"... not working really is it Duggie? I gave him the benefit for too long, but since he couldn't get the best out of ex-PL players and now "his"players, he's been exposed... ... since the "nearly got the playoffs" disaster, he's now plumbing the depths with this team... how long before he touches bottom... I'd say he touched bottom a long time ago Boomerang.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 22, 2014 10:42:40 GMT
Just dividing your statement into two boom, I'm not sure I like the last bit "how long before he touches bottom"
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 22, 2014 11:55:30 GMT
Just dividing your statement into two boom, I'm not sure I like the last bit "how long before he touches bottom" Brilliant
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Post by andyl on Sept 22, 2014 15:49:31 GMT
It's strange that Lonergan hasn't received a lot more criticism re Wolves' goal. Watched live it was a horrendous example of indecision and a complete shock. He should have ploughed through Dervite and Dicko and it was an easy catch. The ball was in the air for ages and straight at him. I surely cannot be alone in thinking this?
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Post by joanna on Sept 22, 2014 16:43:07 GMT
Goalkeeper is the least of our worries, and, in any case, many reckon the shot was deflected and fell kindly for Wolves and awkwardly for Andy L.(Not you, Andyl! I'd have thought you'd be his biggest fan!)
I think you'll find that "ploughing through" attackers results in a penalty!
No, the real problem was evidently the over-cautious approach in the first half and the deferential attitude that DF exudes. As soon as we decided to play a more attacking game, we were the better side, it seems.
Will he ever change? Not judging by the comments above!
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Post by andyl on Sept 22, 2014 22:29:49 GMT
No, Joanna. I don't think I have ever seen a penalty given against a keeper who ploughs through defenders and attackers to make a catch. Often the keeper gets the free kick. Lonergan actually punched away a much harder one in that half and was so forceful tje punch all but reached the half way line and all around were flattened.If Lonergan or Dervite had been forceful Dicko wouldn't have dared to compete.The deflection came from miles away. The ball was in the air for ages.Lonergan dithered got mixed up with Dervite and made a dreadful keeping howler. And keeping is a big problem - Lonergan plays one good game in two and it's not good enough and is costing us points
Nor were we too defensive in the first half; indeed we sliced them open right from the kick off and mid way through the first half played a superb move to end in a Craig D first time side foot straight at their keeper. He also chested down a great chance for Mason who was too slow to react.
Wolves were good.It was end to end and there was nothing whatsoever negative in the tactics.We could have been two up at half time!! Neither side had clear chances. That we went in one down was due to the Lonergan and Dervite mix up
Our passing was its usual myriad shades of awful and we launched the ball forward too quickly too often.
In the second half we were indeed too negative for the early part and mark D didn't help playing too deeply when he came on. Chungy and Beckford brought us into it as well as some really good defending which stifled Wolves and gave us some control towards the end
You are not wrong however about DF being a worthy target of criticism .He radiated no energy nor did he assert himself as his counterpart did. Swap managers and for me we win that. But even so Lonergan made a hash of their goal and Garvan missed a penalty. We could ever so easily have won and be arguing about weakness in victory. The game plan was good and it was a good evenly matched fast moving game.
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Post by kazooki on Sept 23, 2014 0:05:15 GMT
Problem is AndyL it looks like you're the only one speaking from knowledge of actually being at the game (not read every post so apologies if I missed someone else). Everyone else is basically going off either the stats on SkySports/BBC or commentary on GMR or 90 seconds of The Football League Show. From your match report, it sounded like a good game, but all a lot of these posters see now is the final score and if it's not a win and they weren't at the match they're not interested in how we played, but are far more interested in analysing DF's comments after the match and making them fit their assassinations of him (which isn't really difficult lately). I was at the Leeds match, I was entertained .. yes, we lost, but so easily could have won and in reality that's all I'm looking for .. to be entertained. I remember coming away from some games in the Big Sam era being unhappy even after winning, because it was awful boring shite at times. It was good to taste success, don't get me wrong .. but I'm not sure I'd be swapping back in a hurry. I'd much prefer that we won obviously, but if not, I'd like to see us give it a bloody good go, and it seems that the last few matches we've done that since the complete shite against Sheff Weds. So until the next dour performance I'll try and look forward to the next game vs Derby (not Chelsea on Wednesday cos I think we're gonna get right royally mullered) because whether or not I like it, I've paid my money and it looks like it's not gonna be changing anytime soon and I can't afford to throw away a few hundred quid right now
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Post by andyl on Sept 23, 2014 6:24:42 GMT
I agree, kazooki. I wasn't at Leeds but my experience at Wolves sounds similar. It was a good game. Both sets of players applauded and were applauded by their fans at the end. Marc Iles BN report implied negativity in the first half but I didn't see that. It was nothing like the awful first halves v Sheffield Wed or Rotherham. Yes it was frustrating because we were in touching distance of being very good. But Wolves were good to watch. Some of their cross field long passing was a a delight. And Molineux is such a brilliant ground to go to.
There were pockets of fans shouting 'Freedman out' it's true but it certainly wasn't constant nor particularly apt. And they were shouted down.
This was a good entertaining match. If Feeney could have put away the last chance but one when Beckford slid him through it would have felt satisfying.. As I said earlier Ream and Chungy were really good throughout. And to underline Chungy's star rating there was a 5 minute period in the first half wit a wing swap and Feeney visibly deserted Moxey with predictable results. He was overrun more than once. Sometimes that backtracking work goes unremarked and unappreciated although one tackle Chungy made brought applause all round.
Moxey apart the whole team was excellent defensively in every part of the field and we most certainly won the attritional contest being well on top at the end. Our fitness levels were better than theirs and that's a good thing which will serve us well as the season wears on
But as I say we are discussing defeat and Freedman because of a goalkeeping disaster a missed penalty and the limitations on the day of our first choice strikers whom Beckford for once outshone in his cameo.. If only he had the heart of some of the others.
I do disagree re the point above that 9 Of the team elect aren't good enough. Our resources overall despite salary reductions are more than adequate to match the better teams in a division which looks wide open. But the players need wins and confidence. The manager must take criticism for the poor pre seasons, slow starts, and his laissez faire delegatory style which is good in certain non footballing contexts but when significant elements of our footballing resources lack for intelligence not least our captain a more assertive style would be preferable?
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Post by thegrud1 on Sept 23, 2014 9:56:34 GMT
Dont normally post ,But.....Dont care how we do it...goals off the post/bar/ballboy,,,dont care how BUT....WE NEED TO WIN SOME GAMES !
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 23, 2014 13:43:29 GMT
Look I haven't actually been to a game for a while now and won't be until Freedman's gone, so I only have reports and snapshots to go on. I don't even bother watching the FL show any more. I do think though that a number of you are becoming accepting of the rubbish being served up by Freedman. I realise you want us to win, so do I obviously but we're at the bottom for a reason. It's not down to us missing a penalty or missing chances, every team does that, it's because we're crap and solely down to bad management. I quite agree with you Andy that we have a team more than capable of being higher in the league but inept and chronic management is the prime cause. Get rid of this idiot and bring in the right man and we'd soon fly up the league even with the current bunch. Unfortunately finances dictate that whatever the results and performances we'll be stuck with Freedman until they can afford to dump him, around Christmas I'd say,. I'm just hoping we can scrape enough points together to keep us in this division before that happens.
Finally, Kaz I had a season ticket all through the BSA era and I don't ever remember coming out from a match bored. There may have been times we shut up shop but defending is an art in itself and we did it superbly under Sam. I think you're attempting to justify our current situation under Freedman. Well don't, accepting the current dross is accepting demise and is not something I and a growing number of supporters are going to do. Freedman has now had every chance and so far failed lamentably. As the saying goes. When the going gets tough..... Well we know Dougal ain't getting anything going other than hopefully himself and the sooner the better.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 23, 2014 14:49:14 GMT
I totally agree W63 Drop Freedman now and pay him off the £500,000 we'll owe him (I'm really guessing on that figure by the way) OR.......
Drop into League One, were no player with any ounce of interest in a football career will want to join us and then we'll lose mi££ions and become a Blackpool with 7 first teamers (no doubt 4 of them will be on loan from Palace)..
'It's a no brainer' (wonder were I've heard that expression before Doug??)
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Post by OohMac on Sept 23, 2014 19:06:20 GMT
If his contract doesn't last past 2015 then the pay off would be more £100-£200K wouldn't it? Not sure what truth there is in that rumour though.
But sorry The_Grud I disagree completely. I don't want to see us win any way we can. We tried that with Dougie and he had fair success. 1-0 grinding out usually with a Dawson set piece, penalty, or a last minute Eagle shot(ok, i didn't mind that one as much) But it was awful and there was no future. Dawson went back. We went back. We have to use our young players. We have to start playing attractive football again.
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