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Post by boomerang on Sept 16, 2014 21:41:39 GMT
Now that's what it's all about, a bit of commitment, a bit of fight and passion not to mention some good early substitutions by Douglas and finally a bit of class from Joe Mason. Let's just hope this is a turning point and not a lucky blip!! COYWM. Seems BTID isn't the only one playing both sides... did you go to the game whites... be honest now...
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 16, 2014 21:49:54 GMT
Steady on Whites... You'll be hailing Feedman as a master tactician if you're not careful I think the stats are clear to see that there has been a little bit more effort and fight and a smidging if luck as well tonight Possession Bolton 54%. Rotherham 46% Shots Bolton 20. Rotherham 14 Shots on target Bolton 9. Rotherham 6 Corners Bolton 7. Rotherham 4 Fouls Bolton 9. Rotherham 7 I won't get carried away, but at least we're out of the drop zone Just....
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Post by andyl on Sept 16, 2014 21:50:22 GMT
At last the season starts thanks to Mason who could have scored six in that second half. Thr ones he missed , certainly the last were easier than the ones he scored! I argued all summer that if we had to attract the services of Mason or Juke Mason would be my choice and I think he made the case very well tonight. He's a good striker and the header off the corner for the second was quite splendid!!
But the game overall gave further evidence of our vulnerability. Danns and Pratley proved yet again that they just aren't good enough to control a midfield and for much of their time on the field we were second best. When in the second half Feeney thankfully on the right wing and Chungy on the left replaced them we got into the game properly. Chungy had his best game for ages and was altogether too classy for them. Ome mesmerisng and memorable run led to Mason's best chance but he made a breakaway for Craig Davies and a chance for himself. More. Importantly perhaps he kept the ball. Pratley's last act had been to lose it with a comical back flick .
I thought Craig D battled away with an absence of skill but lots of heart. In some ways he made it possible for Mason to shine in the second half
In defence we looked disjointed. Ream looked awkward at right back. But in fairness there was little threat on hi side. He gave us another glimpse of just how effective he could be in midfield wit an excellent movement inside and shot which got us going in the second half.. Mills and Dervite were sound enough. Thevfreekick given against Mills for their first goal should not have been given. Nor should we have lost focus for it. The wall was poor and Lonergan slow I thought.
Late on we were never safe. An offside goal looked to have saved the game and even later Lonergan made a brave catch but was clobbered by his opposite number for another cancelled ou equaliser. Their second goal was terrible. Two men were left unmarked with all the time in the world to pass and score. Very bad defending on Moxey's flank led to this and other threats. I had no confidence we could close the game out hanging back. Mason's winner was a real filip for the fans. We scraped home a little luckily perhaps but also missing good chances too.
Lonergan 6. Ream 6 Mills 6 Dervite 6 Moxey 3 Pratley 2 Danns 2 Spearing 5 Mark D 6
Mason 9 Craig D 7 Feeney 7 Chungy 8
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Sept 17, 2014 6:55:12 GMT
Now that's what it's all about, a bit of commitment, a bit of fight and passion not to mention some good early substitutions by Douglas and finally a bit of class from Joe Mason. Let's just hope this is a turning point and not a lucky blip!! COYWM. Seems BTID isn't the only one playing both sides... did you go to the game whites... be honest now... Dirty boy there's nowt gay about me !
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 17, 2014 7:25:33 GMT
Now that's what it's all about, a bit of commitment, a bit of fight and passion not to mention some good early substitutions by Douglas and finally a bit of class from Joe Mason. Let's just hope this is a turning point and not a lucky blip!! COYWM. Seems BTID isn't the only one playing both sides... did you go to the game whites... be honest now... I don't think anyone can claim I'm playing both sides boomy but credit where it's due and tonight after that they deserve it, even Freedman, yes you heard it, even Freedman for his early subs of Feeney and Lee which seemed to change the game so credit there too. Doesn't change my view on Freedman generally but tonight he won one. No I didn't go to the game, I was going to then thought by staying away I'd not have to sit through another miserable spectacle and fund Gartside's keeping of Our worst manager in years. I got half right!!
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Post by bonaparte on Sept 17, 2014 8:36:10 GMT
I made a late decision to go to the match last night. Two evenly matched teams, Rotherham 2 goals disallowed, 1 hit post, BWFC 3 goals 2 missed sitters. Fair play to DF, against, I am sure, his own convictions played 4-4-2, although very narrow until the substitutes came on. Substituted early, again not his normal style. Played Ream again at right back, he got away with it, although clearly he was unhappy. First half, end to end without product, phased possession, lost a goal through lack of concentration. Second half full of incident and entertaining. Cannot disagree with Andy's player assessment, on the whole although I would have not been so harsh on Moxey.
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Post by megsontilidie on Sept 17, 2014 9:43:28 GMT
surprising stat for you : we've actually had > 50% possession in last 3 games. 55% v leeds, 52% v sheff wed, 54% v roth'ham ,and it has helped ...there are just mini signs of improvement, although granted that is on paper a fairly easy sequence of games...we should have got at least a draw v leeds, ( although that is counter-balanced by a lucky point v sheff wed ) and now got an unbeaten "run" of 2 games. we need to build on it though..it can't just be a one-off...cant'be just a case of "even a broken clock is right twice a day".
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 17, 2014 10:03:37 GMT
How foes the saying o MTiD, possession is 9/10ths of the law!!!!!! If we have 9/10ths possession in our remaining games we'll be champions by a country mile
Reading some of the above comments and hearing that DF made early sensible subs and played 4 4 2, it's probably all against his footballing principals, but hey!!!!! he got a win out of it, so maybe, just maybe, the luck he needs was actually with him all the time, he just needed to listen to people and use his brain COYWM..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 10:16:36 GMT
How foes the saying o MTiD, possession is 9/10ths of the law!!!!!! If we have 9/10ths possession in our remaining games we'll be champions by a country mile Reading some of the above comments and hearing that DF made early sensible subs and played 4 4 2, it's probably all against his footballing principals, but hey!!!!! he got a win out of it, so maybe, just maybe, the luck he needs was actually with him all the time, he just needed to listen to people and use his brain COYWM.. Like I said in an earlier post "sometimes you get lucky" having said that the team looked good in the second half until along came muppet Medo gave away a stupid free with his first action ,get shut DF .
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 17, 2014 12:16:26 GMT
How foes the saying o MTiD, possession is 9/10ths of the law!!!!!! If we have 9/10ths possession in our remaining games we'll be champions by a country mile Reading some of the above comments and hearing that DF made early sensible subs and played 4 4 2, it's probably all against his footballing principals, but hey!!!!! he got a win out of it, so maybe, just maybe, the luck he needs was actually with him all the time, he just needed to listen to people and use his brain COYWM.. Yes possession may be 9/10th of the law, and maybe if we had 9/10th of the possession we could be champions but we didn't have 9/10th of the possession did we? We had 54% But I agree with a lot of the comments above that the overall performance was much better in parts. Their first goal could and should have been prevented, it was obviously to all in the North Stand were the ball was going to be put, seeing as they had a player positioned in our wall and nobody stood behind him and lo and behold that's were the free kick was placed. There is no point all the fans shouting at Ream to take the ball to the by-line, because as a left footer if he gets there he can't cross it, obviously the introduction of Feeney improved things in that department. Mason had a very good 2nd half (obviously), but I hadn't even realised he was playing in the 1st half. But let's keep our perspective as the saying goes ONE SWALLOW DOES NOT A SUMMER MAKE, and one win does not a promotion challenge make, we need to build on this, but will Dougie stick with the winning formula??
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Post by Trotter on Sept 17, 2014 13:42:27 GMT
That's Rotherhams first, first half goal of the season. Well that will teach em won't it
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Post by Woppy The Italian on Sept 17, 2014 15:26:24 GMT
Well I`m faaaaaaaar from convinced, and see last night has a bad result...In the sense we STILL need this clown shifting. And that result has bought him more time. More than likely this idiot will drop Mason on Saturday !!! We HAD to score 3 Goals.......to beat ROTHERHAM !!!!
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Post by andyl on Sept 17, 2014 15:46:35 GMT
There are maybe a few reflections to add in the light of a few posts on here and in the LOV suite and the BN and the stats as presented by mtid above. I was at the match so am reflecting on what hopefully was witnessed.
Craig Davies is no Jutkiewicz. Some commentators seem to be painting his contribution as matchwinning not least Marc Iles. he ran well and hustled well for sure and he's a handful. But he was lazy retruning to position and caught offside at least 5 times carelessly. He is not good in the air - not by SKD standards. Mostly he loses the ball and doesn't hold it up well and he tried some daft one touch passes which he couldn't execute. But he a trier. He occasionally comes off his defender well and links play up. He distracts defenders away from Mason and others and will be worth his place so long as there is no one better, He is not much cop as a target man.
4-4-2 is a luxury for us. Yes we got 50% + possession but that is deceptive. We produced nothing like the move last night that we did first half v Sheff Wed. But equally there were fewer misplaced passes. I thought Rotherham had been sent out to keep a clean sheet and played deeply and defensively. They were happy to let us have it but kept being given it back not least by Lonergan whose distribution was terrible.
Dervite is OK in terms of keeping possession, far better than Mills. He did launch one long pass out of play but in general he was instrumental in some better build ups from the back
The LOV suite says Chungy didn't do much and marks him at 5. Yes he failed to take one chance to shoot but he made one brilliant run and is our best player, for once looking to have the class we all know he has.
Mark D definitely kept going longer and made a more telling contribution and surprise surprise he started out on the left side rather than the right. Whilst we have had him I think he's been far more effective in an old fashioned inside left slot and almost impotent on the right. And of course Feeney was way more effective on the right ( and he actually did look good in the air a time or two) . So why o why against Sheff Wed did DF think it a good idea to have Feeney left and Mark D right. It's all illogical and counter intuitive
Bogdan had his detractors last season not least me during a very ragged patch . But at this best he is better than Lonergan. Lonergan is quite flappy and if he can make some very good saves he doesn't feel like a substantial keeper. Paddy Kenny at best is better. DF has a choice to make. I thought Lonergan could have made a better fist of theri free kick goal..but he was not alone in that
For much of that game we looked like losing without competing. Mason hauled us out of the mire three times and we still tried hard to let them back in LOV and other commentators are quibbling about his misses or about a limited first half contribution or they focus too much on Craig D's help. I thought his movement was excellent throughout the game. he was never offside. He could have equalled Tony Caldwell with any luck at all. he deserves all the plaudits he gets. Without his goals that was another debacle and impetus to the Freedman out campaign
But what I wil say is that when DF says we are competing in games and could have won or be winning most that we have played save for Watford he is not far wrong and the stats support him. The problem is that his selections and positionings are so ad hoc and his rotations so badly planned that any success is pure serendipity.
Some above give him credit for bringing on Chungy and Feeney at 60 mins ( after their first sub incidentally). I would criticise him for playing narrowly and picking Pratley and Danns in the first place. I really don't rate either? Does anybody? Chungy in form or out is just so much a better player than these alternatives. Surely?
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Post by westandlower on Sept 17, 2014 19:28:49 GMT
"... The LOV suite says Chungy didn't do much and marks him at 5. Yes he failed to take one chance to shoot but he made one brilliant run and is our best player, for once looking to have the class we all know he has." Only 1 brilliant run? I thought he had 3 or 4 albeit with a little bit of luck in his dribbles as the defenders fell for the same 'turn back outside then sprint up the touchline trick' . Maybe it depends how you define brilliant. "... And of course Feeney was way more effective on the right ( and he actually did look good in the air a time or two) . So why o why against Sheff Wed did DF think it a good idea to have Feeney left and Mark D right. It's all illogical and counter intuitive ..." Freedman has been pretty consistent in playing his wingers on the 'wrong side'. Maybe he feels they don't have the pace to get to the by line and pull the cross back slightly whilst avoiding the defender, the percentage being to cut inside and cross to the centre. This however relies on having a striker pretty well unmarked on or around the penalty spot and a very accurate cross. Whereas the cross from the by line does not have to be so accurate and if long or short could fall to another striker (if the keeper does not gather). Coyle's idea of getting them to swap wings now and again was better. "... I thought Lonergan could have made a better fist of their free kick goal..but he was not alone in that..." True. T the time, I thought their player curled it around the wall, but from video evidence it looks like they had a player in the wall who withdrew at the last second leaving a gap for the player to shoot through. The wall was too loosely assembled. "... For much of that game we looked like losing without competing. Mason hauled us out of the mire three times ..." Mason put in the finishing touches but it was Freedman's change of tactics bringing on two wingers that won the game. " ... LOV and other commentators are quibbling about his misses or about a limited first half contribution... " He was just about totally anonymous in the first half but strikers need service and he didn't get much, if any. "... Without his goals that was another debacle and impetus to the Freedman out campaign ..." Agreed. Rotherham will most likely be in the bottom six come the end of the season. "... I would criticise him for playing narrowly and picking Pratley and Danns in the first place. I really don't rate either? s anybody? I've been surprised that Danns has not been brought on at least as a sub before. He has energy, is positive, keeps the ball, maybe is a bit too greedy but does score goals. I look upon him as a poor mans Mark Davies. I have a higher opinion of Pratley than most (cue insults). He was better than Danns in the first half made some good passes but got stick for a back flick that didn't come off just before he was subbed. If it had worked it could have set up a chance. I have no fundamental objection to playing a narrow diamond as long as Mark Davies is in the team to pull the strings. Playing with wingers and only one defensive midfielder (Spearing) exposes our defence. Playing narrow in midfield probably helps the defence. "... Chungy in form or out is just so much a better player than these alternatives. Surely? ..." Chungy only seems to try when it suits him these days which is about one game in three. He, Mark Davies and Bogdan are the only class players we have left. One or more should be sold to finance a decent striker before their contracts run out. I cannot see them signing on again unless we are in the promotion frame (unlikely on evidence so far). I was hoping that the rumour of Beckford going to Fulham was true. It was unbelievable but sadly just a rumour (or broke down because we wouldn't pay them enough to take him off our hands).
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 17, 2014 21:16:34 GMT
Almost every comment on the BN page for the Rotherham game is anti Freedman and all pointing to the 'swallow and summer' comment above and the ''papering over the cracks' comment
I do believe that this is the beginning of the end for Dug and it cannot come sooner. Solskjear went to Cardiff with a better footballing reputation than Freedman and it looks like his days will be numbered in the next hour or so, albeit,Vincent Tan is about as loyal and trusting as that Leeds owner Cellino, but the point is, there aren't that many people convinced that last nights result is the turning point, the majority have had enough and are no longer taken in by his false rumblings. Anyone manager worth his salt and with an ounce of dignity would not keep ranting on about FFP and lack of money etc etc!!! Before BSA got the Whites up and before he got his hands on the Premier league money he wasn't laden with cash beforehand, he just knew a bargain, had an eye for a good player, knew how to blend youth with experience and had the wherewithal to get the best out of them, just like Rioch did, so why should we keep having DF ram all that tripe down our throats about his issues and financial restrictions etc etc Time is fast running out for DF and our chances of survival
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