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Bolton v SHEFF WED...Match thread. Sept 13, 2014 18:48:03 GMT

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Post by joanna on Sept 13, 2014 18:48:03 GMT

Before the match, we already knew that: Mason can't play up front on his own; Ream is not a full back...and certainly not a right back; Feeney has to play on the right; that Moxey is not of the necessary standard; that Beckford lacks heart and is not the man to bring on to turn things around; that CYL's talent is being wasted; and, most predictable of all, that the player of the month would not be selected. A master-class in how to demoralise players and fans......again!

I notice that even those who have, for some reason, wanted to defend Dougie are now belatedly pulling their heads out of the sand. The only one who apparently prefers to remain an ostrich is unfortunately our chairman.

BTW, Andy L: did you see that amongst the usual bonkers post-match comments was one that will make your blood boil, given your comments above:"I thought we passed the ball very well"!!!!

Whilst we continue with this dim, myopic, deluded excuse for a manager, we will sink further and further. PG: do your job!

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Bolton v SHEFF WED...Match thread. Sept 13, 2014 19:37:29 GMT via mobile

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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 13, 2014 19:37:29 GMT

October 9th 2012

Bolton Wanderers have sacked manager Owen Coyle.

The Trotters, who were relegated from the Premier League last season, are 18th in the Championship after winning only three of their 10 matches.

"I have always been driven to act in the best interests of the club," said Coyle. "I had fantastic times here as a player and it has been a privilege to have held the post of manager."

Chairman Phil Gartside added that it is "the right time for a change".

At least Owen did give us his chicken legs and that header at Wembley.
What has Freedman ever done???

Makes you wonder what made Darkslime act then, to appease the situation last time around? Surely he must be thinking now that we are in no better state under this ejit

Maybe Fat Fil Fartside is waiting for the next October 9th to wield the axe!!!!!!

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Bolton v SHEFF WED...Match thread. Sept 13, 2014 20:25:30 GMT

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Post by kazooki on Sept 13, 2014 20:25:30 GMT

I notice that even those who have, for some reason, wanted to defend Dougie are now belatedly pulling their heads out of the sand.

I'm not pulling my head out of the sand, my defense was always solid in that he was given an impossible job and I feel for some of his remit he has done it well.
However, today shows that his player choice and tactics were shite. It has never been as bad as this.
He left out youth and played Ream out of position something else that was indefensible. Time to go.

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Bolton v SHEFF WED...Match thread. Sept 13, 2014 20:53:02 GMT

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Post by megsontilidie on Sept 13, 2014 20:53:02 GMT

btw..Doug-loss seems to be having a bloody good go at trying to beat his own record for worst start for 100 yrs ( or is it in clubs entire history ? ) . btw totally agree Joanna, i don't quite know what's changed for these ostrichs to finally pull it out. some of those predicted a 3-1 win for todays game...lmao.. & a 3-1 win at watford 1st game of season. optmism gone mad ! . that's what i like about these match threads, the predictions ..we really should run a prediction league one of these yr's. i'm sure one forum i occasionally read did one..possibly burnden aces. it's about realism...put away the personal optimism or over-pessimism.
i remember that deluded Emma Norris who used to write deluded fan stuff for the BN. i posted some of her more bonkers stuff on the old forum i believe she's now in charge of offic bwfc facebook and twitter now. just shows you where crawling can get you ! . you'll notice the deludedness/pravda style in many of the fb/twitter official output. i accept they have to put a positive spin on things but there is a limit. during the season we were relegated i remember reading a the weekly column she wrote for a online footie mag..it was an absolute scream.. personal cheeryness and optimism gone mad ..we were losing game after game..getting battered and yet week in week out, she predicted comfy wins for us. i never tried it but i'm sure if you added up all the points she gave for us, we'd have made a top 4 spot !

. for me, getting shot of a bad manager IS A POSITIVE

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Bolton v SHEFF WED...Match thread. Sept 13, 2014 21:20:52 GMT

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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 13, 2014 21:20:52 GMT

Sept 13, 2014 20:25:30 GMT kazooki said:

I notice that even those who have, for some reason, wanted to defend Dougie are now belatedly pulling their heads out of the sand.

I'm not pulling my head out of the sand, my defense was always solid in that he was given an impossible job and I feel for some of his remit he has done it well.
However, today shows that his player choice and tactics were shite. It has never been as bad as this.
He left out youth and played Ream out of position something else that was indefensible. Time to go.

Whilst I respect absolutely the support you gave to DF Kaz, I'd be interested to know what you think he did well as I can't personally see anything myself. As for given an impossible job, I don't think it was the least impossible and on the contrary I think just letting people's contracts run down and signing second rate loanees nobody else wants was really a pretty simple job any remotely competent manager could have done at least as we'll and probably better. Sorry but it's been blatantly obvious for most of his tenure that he isn't nearly capable of doing this job. As long as he stays we'll get worse as we have done since he arrived. When you realise you've made a mistake it's best to accept it and act. Leaving it to worsen is just stupidity but that is what Gartside is doing. Maybe it will encourage ED to grow some and fire the pair of them?

kazooki Fan Favourite Posts: 292	Bolton v SHEFF WED...Match thread. Sept 13, 2014 21:45:18 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kazooki on Sept 13, 2014 21:45:18 GMT Well, given the fact that you've researched my posts you should quite easily find the things that I and a few others think he's done well. Happy hunting

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Bolton v SHEFF WED...Match thread. Sept 14, 2014 6:42:52 GMT via the ProBoards App

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Post by andyl on Sept 14, 2014 6:42:52 GMT

It 's a game that makes a nonsense of excessive reliance on statistics ! Yes, Joanna! My blood boiled , my eyes popped , my pulse raced and my fury raged. It was a horrible game to watch.

It's true that we kept the ball longer and passed it more. It's also true that after around 15-20 minutes we had one, just one phase of delightful passing with Garvan at the hub. But nearly all the passing was backward and boring. Chungy was forever turning round. Ream trapped on his wrong foot could do nothing but pass back or inside and cross field If ever we passed the ball forward we looked dreadful and worst by a distance was Spearing . At the back Dervite passed the ball well most of the time. In sum if we passed the ball better we did so to no purpose and when we were bad we were horrid. I think only Mark D looked to feed a ball to Mason's runs and the odds of the ball spending time near the patch of turf where He was rooted ensured it was two passes at most

In your analysis of pre match knowledge , Joanna all but one point are uncontested.It was a daft selection. But I completely disagree re your dismissal of Mason. He's the best lone forward we have by a distance unless we are punting. Craig D has done ok and lifts crowd spirits but he's even more reliant on having a partner.

I think Mason of all our players stood out for intelligence and movement. And if the stats show anything it's that we have to have 5 in midfield to compete so DF for me got that right!!

But to achieve the 5 in midfield we must go to three at the back and in my opinion Ream must go to the defensive midfield position. He makes mistakes but he's bright and yesterday had to execute some exceptional infield passes to escape his wrong foootedness .Spearing in contrast is anything but bright.He perked up when Pratley joined him because he could run further. He is the worst we have as a single defensive midfielder for losing men and goingmissing. His passing is abysmal much too often. That was a game to justify his dropping for Tuesday. He was at his best with Trotter alongside. And ok with Medo albeit with that pairing our forward movement is paralysed

Yesterday a point as yet unmentioned is that CYL was clearly kept on the right because he would offer more protection and options for wrong footed Ream. So Feeney was marooned on the left when the game cried out for his right wing play. One selection error led to another.We were disjointed and it was annoying.

Overall it was a mess. We held on to a point because of their inept finishing .We never threatened their goal at all.

And as ever the manager radiated confusion and indecision. Yes his two subs were earlier this week but Mark D was way short of fitness. He had fifteen minutes tops in his legs and didn' last the first half out. Garvan faded and his last contribution was to lose a ball in exhaustion.

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Bolton v SHEFF WED...Match thread. Sept 14, 2014 7:04:13 GMT

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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 14, 2014 7:04:13 GMT

Sept 13, 2014 21:45:18 GMT kazooki said:

Well, given the fact that you've researched my posts you should quite easily find the things that I and a few others think he's done well.
Happy hunting

I've read all your posts Kaz and every one of them has been fuelled by hope more than fact. Fair enough, you have supported his attempts but even you are now accepting you were just wrong. Like Gartside you should just accept it and for the sake of our club change it before it's too late. Just ask yourself this. Do you genuinely believe the squad we have now is the best that could have been achieved and also do the tactics and game plans give you confidence things will improve? If yes then fine, continue to support, but if not then let's find someone who can improve things now rather than put up with this dross.

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Bolton v SHEFF WED...Match thread. Sept 14, 2014 7:34:03 GMT

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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Sept 14, 2014 7:34:03 GMT

What were your thoughts whilst sat watching the game at the macron w63?

my view.... It was absolutely awful !! Just couldn't understand that line up yesterday. Short of fitness, creativity and any kind of idea that would win a football game !!

i wasn't going to go actually but was offered a freebie by way of my mates season ticket for the game. I STILL FELT RIPPED OFF !!

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Bolton v SHEFF WED...Match thread. Sept 14, 2014 8:15:59 GMT

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Post by Woppy The Italian on Sept 14, 2014 8:15:59 GMT

I didnt go or listen to the game for the first time ever.!

The sad truth is ...I dont need to. Like almost everyone on here, I know whats coming. Its beyond a joke that this chap hasnt been removed and its only going to get worse.

Bring on Browny and Rioch and lets get people interested in this club again. We need a big lift.

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Bolton v SHEFF WED...Match thread. Sept 15, 2014 10:25:11 GMT

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Post by megsontilidie on Sept 15, 2014 10:25:11 GMT

lionofviennasuite.sbnation.com/2014/9/14/6146875/five-things-bolton-wanderers-v-sheffield-wednesday

quite a decent summing up from the LOV site :
totally agree about Andy Hughes...how in the world is he getting on our bench...is he Dougie's spy/ insider . to quell any player revolt against DF ?
he's got to be on there for some reason and it can't be ability.

Here we go:

1) Owen Garvan

I'm sure Dougie Freedman thinks that he's signed some sort of Aldi-version of Angel di Maria, or a LIDL-Mesut Ozil. What we have signed though, it seems, is the second coming of Gareth Farrelly.

Slow, ponderous and lacking in ANY sort of impact whatsoever, Garvan appears to be the ideal Dougie Freedman midfielder.

I know it's his first game etc, but seriously, what is the point of bringing in some journeyman midfielder to stink up the joint and further stunt the progress of the likes of Josh Vela and Andy Kellett?

I'm sure if we sign this Williams fella then that'll be another nail in the coffin of a pair of promising academy graduates.

Well done Dougie - at least your mate Hughes got on the bench eh?

2) Dean Moxey

I didn't go to the pre-season game at the Reebok when Moxey had a shocker.

I didn't go to Watford, when Moxey had a shocker.

I was there yesterday however, when Moxey had a shocker.

Seriously. Was he doing it on purpose?

If our academy can't produce a better left-back than Moxey then we might as well shut the place down.

Pathetic.

3) I Was There When....

Lennie Lawrence moved!

I know!

Ridiculous right? It was during the second half following yet another baffling decision from referee Haines which saw the Wanderers assistant manager leap from his chair in a never-before-seen display of activity.

I had thought he was a mannequin, but wow. What a move from the man!

To think some said that he was just a passive member of the backroom staff.

How foolish must you be feeling today?

4) Dougie Freedman Must Be Sacked Immediately

Simple.

He had the chance to win back a bit of good faith yesterday following the latest round of awful performances. Instead he dropped Craig Davies and Neil Danns, played a lone striker in Joe Mason who can't play as a lone striker, played Liam Feeney, a right winger, on the left where he can't cross, and played Tim Ream, a left footed centre half at right back.

Then for a laugh he brought on Darren Pratley, (leaving Danns on the bench) to bring on his mate Jermaine Beckford

Nice one Dougie!

After that he moved the anonymous Chung Yong Lee into the middle to replace Mark Davies, leaving the aforementioned Feeney on the left, despite him not once crossing the ball with his left peg.

Feeney can cross a ball with his right - why didn't he move the lad to the right wing so he can chuck some crosses into the box for Davies to attack

Baffling stuff from Freedman.

Standard though

Not to mention the five man midfield that was overrun throughout by Wednesday who must be devastated that they didn't get the win they richly deserved.

His constant selection of Jay Spearing is another stick to beat him with. I liked how when Dougie's captain and favourite player in the world gave the ball away (with almost every single pass), he either blamed the person who he was aiming at, or pointed to the space he telepathically told the Bolton player to move to. Magic.

Two points from a possible 18.

It's entirely likely we'll be in a poorer position after ten games this season than we did last year when we didn't win until the 11th.

Have ANY of his signings improved the team? No. He must be doing a WONDERFUL job behind the scenes to justify still being in a job - because the on-field performances just get worse.

I'm dreading Rotherham on Tuesday. At this rate they'll dick us - with Luciano Becchio (another striker we couldn't afford, supposedly) no doubt in town to notch the winner.

Freedman must go.

Now.

5) Well Done North Stand

As some of you know, lifelong Bolton Wanderers supporter Peter Mather sadly passed away last weekend.

Known to many as 'Mavs' and to some as @walkdenwhite on Twitter, he was a devoted family fan and loyal Wanderers fan and he will be greatly missed.

Throughout the game the North Stand was heard to sing 'There's Only One Peter Mather', which warmed even this cynical heart.

There have been flags on Facebook tribute pages etc too - all in his honour.

Well done one and all. A fitting tribute. Shame the team didn't put in similar effort.

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