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Post by andyl on Aug 18, 2024 20:27:17 GMT
I wasn’t able to attend today but watched on Sky. I thought we looked solid, pressed well but showed very little adventure. Orient’s s pitch and style had obliged long balls so was deceptive but I do think today v Wrexham there was a greater willingness to play early long balls to runners and with three to aim at we got a bit of traction.
Chances were few and we missed the most glaring .Charles forced one goodish save in the second half. I thought that Dempsey gave energy and Matete and our double barrelled newbie showed promise. Johnston acquitted himself well and played the pass of the match.Schon improved our defending and offered a hint of overlap. Overall I think the squad depth is likely to earn more points via defensive shutouts- with one caveat (see below). And now the not so good..
Santos is a proven liability at both ends. I know Riochftrsaid he played well in the first half and he did get a head on most things and muscle his way along but:-
He missed our best chance- an easy far post tap in he didn’t move to and later chance of a nod in- he should never go forward for corners- just stands like a lemon and not Meadowlark
He could have been sent off for niggles first half plus the scything shocker
He can’t mark. When Fletcher came on he was outclassed and we nearly lost
He can’t head or jump to.head
In sum he will as usual leak 10-20 goals and not score- we cannot be promoted with him at centre half
Our passing,crossing and set pieces were diabolical, some absurd overshoots and mispasses
We lacked a ball carrier( Maghoma not replaced)
We have no wingers as such. At one point Dacres-Cogley passed up on 4 consecutive opportunities to go on the outside.Reliance on wing backs is neutering.
Always a chance of foreshortening on television,but I think all above is fair? We were ever taking too many touches and avoiding shots. Thomason played well but he’s best further forward. I’m not convinced by the three forward model yet. Charles is too hit and miss. A couple of good efforts from him but he missed a great chance shooting straight at the keeper. McGinlay/ Walker/ Byrom etc never missed those?
Baxter 7 Dacres-Cogley 5 Santos 4 Johnston 6 Schon 6 Thomason 7 Sheehan 6 Collins 6 McAteee 5Charles 6 Toal 7
Subs Victor apart who muffed everything the others impressed me say Vic 2 the rest 6. I remain unimpressed at no keeper sub -six is enough outfield players
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 19, 2024 10:13:41 GMT
I agree with much of that Andy but I’m intrigued why you thought Toal was worth a 7? Of all our players Toal is the one for me who has digressed the most. He looks slow with the ball and his passing is awful and he gives no support to Cogley going forward at all in the way both Jones and Forrester do. Certainly Santos looks a shadow of himself and just seems to have lost confidence which he can hopefully recover with more games. Yet again yesterday we were just mechanical in our approach and made it so easy for Wrexham to just sit in and hold us off. Whilst I like Schon and thought he did well overall I’d like to see him taking his man on more and getting round the back rather than just stop and pass back as he’s prone to do. Whilst I like the concept of the three up top I just don’t think we’ve devised a way to make it work yet with few decent deliveries to them. The only positives yesterday for me were Johnson, who for me was head and shoulders man of the match and the fact we kept a clean sheet. Other than that it was same old, same old from last season and with the new players we have that’s not acceptable. I’m already sick of hearing about players not having pre seasons or needing to gel with each other. They train all week and Johnson is surely proof that if you’re good enough a lay off, a long one in his case, is an excuse and not a reason to underperform.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Aug 19, 2024 10:52:37 GMT
Think we’ll find a common denominator come the end of season - Evatt
We certainly have a far richer squad than last season but I observe that some of the players that were doing it for the respective teams they’ve signed from, somehow seem to have it knocked out of them when Evatt and Co ‘coach’ them
Player of the Season -Collins, was scoring with his left, his right, was shooting from distance, was scoring from free kicks, joins us and looks average
AdeboyNoShow, 15+ goals for Bristol R and some very well taken goals too, joins us and looks like the worst signing ever. Probably going to take him 3 years to get to 15+. I was trying to buy into W63 support for Vic but when he came on yesterday, he couldn’t trap the proverbial bag of cement.
John McAtee - 15 goals for Barnsley on loan, he’ll not score 15 goals in the 3 years he’s signed for us if he plays the Evatt system.
Not sure if it’s over coaching or just plain lack of coaching but our players don’t seem to play the simple game - shoot, score, shoot, pass to a striker in the box to score, it’s not difficult is it
Come on Evatt, let the players play with freedom of expression
Someone mentioned Arfield being the new Jerome, think they could be right
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Post by OohMac on Aug 20, 2024 6:57:50 GMT
Said that about Vic, he's just not the basic skills to be a success. There's the argument that if we can him the ball 5 yards from goal he's more likely to finish than Dion. But when teams play that low block and sit back, we won't be able to do that. He needs to work for his space and he's not good at that.
George Johnstones post match comments were spot on when he makes no bones about a game we should have won but couldn't match the tempo of the first half hour. Tempo, intensity has been lacking especially in those home games, big crowds how many players can honestly say they left it all out there?
My concern now is JDC not having the attacking intent needed for this system. After a great start for us he's badly faded, or found his level.
Loan market and I'd still look to bring in 4. More dynamic wing backs on either flank. A DM and a no 9.
Offset by looking to move on Jones, Morley, Nludulu and Vic along with Coleman. Iredale to stay because of the injuries and that George may need to be managed back slowly.
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 20, 2024 10:03:23 GMT
Sorry, I know I’m in a minority here but I still think Victor played properly as a No9 would do the business. Personally against Wrexham, Dion would have been the one left out with Victor partnered with AC and Mac. Bring Dion on later when the defenders are tiring and let him run them ragged. In fact you could go one step further by starting Sheehan, Matete and George in midfield with just two strikers then replace them after 70 instead of taking off all 3 forwards and replacing with one plus two midfielders when what we needed was a goal. Maybe when Lolos and CMG are back and fit it will resolve itself which is why I think IE may look for another forward on loan until January when hopefully we should have a full squad. I do agree with Coggers not attacking though. Whether that’s because he’s been told to defend more or not I don’t know but he’s a shadow of when he came and certainly nowhere near the Bradley mould. Maybe Desmond will replace him when he’s settled in a bit? So on to Charlton a place we normally do well so hopefully 3 points to take us up into the top six from where we shouldn’t move lower again?
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Post by one2many on Aug 20, 2024 10:52:37 GMT
Sorry, I know I’m in a minority here but I still think Victor played properly as a No9 would do the business. Personally against Wrexham, Dion would have been the one left out with Victor partnered with AC and Mac. Bring Dion on later when the defenders are tiring and let him run them ragged. In fact you could go one step further by starting Sheehan, Matete and George in midfield with just two strikers then replace them after 70 instead of taking off all 3 forwards and replacing with one plus two midfielders when what we needed was a goal. Maybe when Lolos and CMG are back and fit it will resolve itself which is why I think IE may look for another forward on loan until January when hopefully we should have a full squad. I do agree with Coggers not attacking though. Whether that’s because he’s been told to defend more or not I don’t know but he’s a shadow of when he came and certainly nowhere near the Bradley mould. Maybe Desmond will replace him when he’s settled in a bit? So on to Charlton a place we normally do well so hopefully 3 points to take us up into the top six from where we shouldn’t move lower again? I understand that a 9 has to be able to hold the ball up and bring others into play. Victor does not have the ball skills or vision to do that. He had an opportunity to send Dempsey in against Wrexham with a relatively easy pass but messed up. I see him as a willing runner that can be useful against tiring defences but little else.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Aug 20, 2024 12:33:54 GMT
Can’t really see Evatt signing any more players after the 8 he’s brought in and yet it could go down to goal scoring that we could be falling short
I honestly thought this AC / DC would gain some media attention in the goal scoring stakes (not in the same league as McGinlay Walker of course) but it’s not proving to be the case and I do worry if we’re reliant on goals across the squad, rather than 2 decent front men doing the business then we might not see the top 2 positions all season
Lolos
Tu-Tu
Arfield
Matete
Schon
Southwood
Forino
McAtee
Have to say, Schon looks half decent but also lagged a bit on 60 plus mins
McAtee also looks a good signing, can pick out a pass and will battle hard, whether he scores in Evatt’s system is another matter
Matete could be the player that makes the biggest difference in my eyes, so long as Evatt selects him from the start instead of him being a 80th minute runout
Can’t make me mind up after 2 games on TuTu and Lolos and I’m not overly sure the Arfield signing will prove fruitful but let’s see.
Some teams in this league are going to smash Wrexham for 2 3 4, why couldn’t we get just 1🤔
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Post by OohMac on Aug 20, 2024 13:44:30 GMT
Sorry, I know I’m in a minority here but I still think Victor played properly as a No9 would do the business. Personally against Wrexham, Dion would have been the one left out with Victor partnered with AC and Mac. Bring Dion on later when the defenders are tiring and let him run them ragged. In fact you could go one step further by starting Sheehan, Matete and George in midfield with just two strikers then replace them after 70 instead of taking off all 3 forwards and replacing with one plus two midfielders when what we needed was a goal. Maybe when Lolos and CMG are back and fit it will resolve itself which is why I think IE may look for another forward on loan until January when hopefully we should have a full squad. I do agree with Coggers not attacking though. Whether that’s because he’s been told to defend more or not I don’t know but he’s a shadow of when he came and certainly nowhere near the Bradley mould. Maybe Desmond will replace him when he’s settled in a bit? So on to Charlton a place we normally do well so hopefully 3 points to take us up into the top six from where we shouldn’t move lower again? I understand that a 9 has to be able to hold the ball up and bring others into play. Victor does not have the ball skills or vision to do that. He had an opportunity to send Dempsey in against Wrexham with a relatively easy pass but messed up. I see him as a willing runner that can be useful against tiring defences but little else.
Agree, I'd love to think Vic could work hard come back as a goal machine but he isn't a striker and he certainly doesn't suit our possession based football. |
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Post by OohMac on Aug 20, 2024 13:49:27 GMT
Can’t really see Evatt signing any more players after the 8 he’s brought in and yet it could go down to goal scoring that we could be falling short I honestly thought this AC / DC would gain some media attention in the goal scoring stakes (not in the same league as McGinlay Walker of course) but it’s not proving to be the case and I do worry if we’re reliant on goals across the squad, rather than 2 decent front men doing the business then we might not see the top 2 positions all season Lolos Tu-Tu Arfield Matete Schon Southwood Forino McAtee Have to say, Schon looks half decent but also lagged a bit on 60 plus mins McAtee also looks a good signing, can pick out a pass and will battle hard, whether he scores in Evatt’s system is another matter Matete could be the player that makes the biggest difference in my eyes, so long as Evatt selects him from the start instead of him being a 80th minute runout Can’t make me mind up after 2 games on TuTu and Lolos and I’m not overly sure the Arfield signing will prove fruitful but let’s see. Some teams in this league are going to smash Wrexham for 2 3 4, why couldn’t we get just 1🤔 Possibly But we did lose Jerome, JDB, Maghoma, Ogbeta, Ashworth, Taylor and Ramsay. I think we will look to lose Coleman at the least. So we haven't bloated our squad with the incoming and still think there's gaps to be plugged. But hard to believe we also won't use the loan market more. Keep them peeled but sense were not finished. |
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 20, 2024 16:02:15 GMT
Well a few are getting a run out for the B Team tonight to get match fit but no sign of Dan amongst them so what does that say? He hasn’t so far been included in anything yet there’s not a word about him from the club. He can’t be injured or he would have been amongst the walking wounded list so conclude from that what you want? It’s a shame really because towards the end of last season before his injury, he really started looking better but so far he hasn’t had a chance and I’m not sure he was even involved in the pre season squads? Surely there must be a few exits shortly as the window nears its end but either nothings happening or everybody’s keeping their cards very close to their chests? 🤨
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