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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 11, 2023 22:58:40 GMT
Think RTF could have a field day on the other thread with this pissing about playing it out from Baxter and defenders/midfielders passing the ball back to the keeper at speed. Pompey are lightning quick to our mistakes I can imagine. didn't see the game. just bet 365 audio commentary for me, but the neutral commentator was mentioning the errors & risks. that's exactly what that thread is there for as a warning for games against tougher opposition be it this year or next season in the Ch'ship. TV game didn't help. even more of a chance for Evatt to put on a showcase, as OohMac may well relate to. so much spotlight with no other games on, of any significance. Burnley got away with it in the Ch'ship, but against sides that are as good as you, or better, will punish you much more, and it's a case of, are you smart enough to modify it a bit or just stubbornly stick to the "principles". real chance today, with Pompey missing their topscorer. & that potential mental scar of Pompey losing their last home game so heavily and failing to score. I'd still expect us to get the automatic promotion spot. we've been fairly clear 2nd faves from the start , initially to Derby, then Pompey. briefly top fave or joint. now back to 2nd fave. don't see much competition. Derby doing a touch better. they would probably need to spend well in Jan , as they don't really have the big names you'd expect for a club of their size. Peterboro possibly, but lack of JCH taking a big hitter from them . Stevenage have hung in well, but just can't see them sustaining it. just seen the 2nd goal on SSN. what is Santos doing there. surprised he doesn't get sent off for his usual wrestling move. no wonder he does it . if he could defend properly anyway, there'd be no need to do it. even when it all settles and chance comes in again, he gets caught sleeping again. if AndyL comes on, i'm sure he'll agree with me on that one. they also showed him get ripped a new one ...... highlights vid just in : that incident at 0.35.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 12, 2023 0:36:03 GMT
Posted on the Beeb Comment posted by wimberrypie, at 22:51 11 Decwimberrypie 22:51 11 Dec Nice footballing team Bolton, but the lack of battling qualities will hold them back
Couldn’t agree more. We do tend to bottle it against physical sides and that’s where Mousinho beat Evatt
Also, not just tonight, can we buy a striker in January Please!!!
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Post by davidm on Dec 12, 2023 9:13:51 GMT
A really disappointing performance and result.
We can have no complaints – we were well beaten.
Who knows what would have happened if Charles had scored that tap-in in the 1st half.
The 1st half was quite even but second half we were dreadful.
Portsmouth had obviously looked at how we played and decided not to let us play out comfortably from the back. They pressed us so well, particularly in the second half, and we just couldn’t cope. It is a long time since I have seen us misplace so many passes. And a long time since I have seen our back 4 (including keeper) look so jittery.
We started reasonably OK and for the first 25 minutes, I would say we were the best side. Then came the miss of the season when Charles inexplicably shot wide after Bodvarsson’s header had been well saved.
Portsmouth had a couple of near misses – with Jones clearing off the line once – and Baxter made a couple of good saves.
As I said, the first half was even but we conceded smack on half-time when Thomason, initially, and then Bodvarsson reacted poorly to a corner and their centre half headed in.
I hoped for some form of reaction in the second half but we were dreadful. Portsmouth pressed us straight from the start. Santos had real difficulty with their striker. It was hard to watch him struggling. And this struggle spread through the team. Portsmouth pressed our “play out from the back” and more often than not won the ball from us. The midfield at this stage had lost any control of the game and the ball was coming straight back at us.
Credit Portsmouth for not sitting back on their lead. We had one shot from Bodvarsson that nearly caught the keeper out but that was it.
We had hope as it was only 1-0 but no attacks to make you think we could score.
Portsmouth then settled it when Santos lost his man for an easy tap in in the last few minutes.
A really poor performance which we need to get out of our system quickly.
Two must win home matches coming up.
Marks:-
Baxter - 6 Not much that he could do about the goals. He made a couple of really decent saves but was part of the almost mass panic when trying to play out from the back.
Dacres-Cogley - 6 Got forward well early on but his final ball into the box was disappointing
Jones - 5 Initially OK but caught up in mass panic towards the end
Santos - 4 The opposition centre forward was MOM which says a lot. His worst performance for a long time.
Toal - 4 Seemed to be targeted and had a really difficult time.
Williams - 3 Just did not look at it at all.
Thomason - 4 Another booking and he could not get involved after that
Maghoma - 5 A couple of mazy runs and good cross for the Bodvarsson/Charles chance but, as with others, he faded badly
Sheehan - 4 Just no impact on the game at all
Bodvarsson - 6 A few quality touches and so unlucky not to score
Charles - 5 Busy and involved as usual but the miss of the season
Morley - 4 Hardly saw him
Dempsey - 4 Similarly, just couldn’t get in the game
Iredale - 4 Some terrible passing when he came on
Adeboyejo
Mendes-Gomes
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Post by OohMac on Dec 12, 2023 9:49:50 GMT
This was the performance I thought we'd moved from but God it was so bad.
Imagine trying to get over a 10 foot stone wall and you're first thought is just run through it. Once you regain consciousness imagine thinking ill give that another try and then doing it over and over again rather than looking for another way around.
That's Ian Evatts Bolton. Its unbelievable to me that we have so much ego that we can't accept being up against superior opposition and can't win our way and on the flip side having so little belief that you're scared stiff and every pass, control, shot, cross, tackle is wrong and poor for lack of conviction.
Big picture. Need to get back on the promotion push. Bigger picture. This is what the championship holds. We cannot go home and away and expect Sheehan to dominate play or Santos to hold the Fort.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 12, 2023 11:04:36 GMT
Santos Claus- kind of him to give gifts
Evatt’s late call on substitutions ultimately caused us more damage as the players subbed were terrible. What on earth did he see in Maghoma, Williams and GT that he couldn’t pull any of them 15 or 20 minutes before he did
Dempsey and Morley should have started for me and at 1-0 down with 15 to go, perhaps throw on Vic so we give them 3 front men to worry about. At least that way they would have put a little more emphasis on their own defending rather than have a free run at our panicking defenders
Pompey are good and played well, but they’re no major shakes and can and will be beaten again. They’ve got to play Derby Posh Barnsley Stevenage and us again
On a positive note
We’ve scored 23 goals from the start of November and conceded once before last night. We must get back to winning ways and I have to say, we have 4 remaining games in December, all winnable, but we have to wash last nights result from our hair and learn from it and get more physical
Wigan bossed us Portsmouth bossed us All physical sides, we cannot compete with.
I guess we are all guilty of getting carried away with our recent winning run and why wouldn’t we, but none of us predicted a loss last night. We all kind of hoped for a draw at the very least
Time to reset with 3 points on Saturday against Bristol Rovers
COYWM
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Post by boris on Dec 12, 2023 15:21:23 GMT
It's pretty obvious that we can't cope with the more physical sides. Portsmouth came at us and forced us into errors, especially when trying to play it from the back. We weren't allowed to play the normal, boring, side-to-side tap,tap. We made them look a lot better than they are but they deserved their win. Going forward, we need to get back to winning ways and Evert needs to do some training on the physical side of the game. Can't allow teams to boss us off the park.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 12, 2023 15:28:12 GMT
It's pretty obvious that we can't cope with the more physical sides. Portsmouth came at us and forced us into errors, especially when trying to play it from the back. We weren't allowed to play the normal, boring, side-to-side tap,tap. We made them look a lot better than they are but they deserved their win. Going forward, we need to get back to winning ways and Evert needs to do some training on the physical side of the game. Can't allow teams to boss us off the park. Funny that boris, if you watch Wolves v Man City, they did exactly the same and it worked for them too Maybe Pep Ball does have it’s weaknesses 🤔🤔
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 12, 2023 20:53:54 GMT
It's pretty obvious that we can't cope with the more physical sides. Portsmouth came at us and forced us into errors, especially when trying to play it from the back. We weren't allowed to play the normal, boring, side-to-side tap,tap. We made them look a lot better than they are but they deserved their win. Going forward, we need to get back to winning ways and Evert needs to do some training on the physical side of the game. Can't allow teams to boss us off the park. Funny that boris, if you watch Wolves v Man City, they did exactly the same and it worked for them too Maybe Pep Ball does have it’s weaknesses 🤔🤔 some people looked at the Pep ball when it first started and said... observation no. 1. they are a top team. observation no. 2. they pass it out from the back. they came to the conclusion that no. 2 leads to no .1 . when in reality it's no. 1 that leads to no. 2, and you can get away with it. just as we get away with it generally against the 60 to 70% of the crap sides in this Div. just as Burnley got away with it in the Ch'ship etc. struggling in the PL. www.sportingnews.com/us/soccer/news/pep-guardiola-jurgen-klopp-record-history-trophies-head-to/rfp2e2dwmxhrimqsndfb5lrcPep struggles in head to head record with Klopp, despite Klopp having less resources at Dortmund compared to Bayern &.... Liv v City. one inherits a team which had won the lge recently under both Mancini & Pellegrini, another inherits a side which hadn't won the PL since 1990 ! < (edit- 1990 was obv pre-PL ) All-time Klopp vs. Guardiola meetings: 29 Guardiola wins: 11 Klopp wins: 12 Draws: 6 similar concerns about winning the tight games, where you don't have it your own way, about Southgate. www.flashscore.co.uk/news/good-to-almost-great-the-numbers-behind-southgate-s-england-term/jFE7GnIc/(article is from Jan 2023 ) One notion that pervades conversations about Southgate’s England is that they often seem to play weaker teams very well and struggle as soon as they meet top opposition.
They are thus sometimes accused of being proverbial flat-track bullies.
What’s more, a lot has been made over the years about Southgate’s in-game management and his inability to make effective tactical changes and substitutions to turn matches around if they aren’t going as planned.
Let’s inspect these two ideas deeper by looking at some relevant numbers.
England are currently fifth in FIFA’s men's world rankings. The other nations in the top 10 in order (at the time of writing) are Brazil, Argentina, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Croatia, Italy, Portugal and Spain. Let’s add Germany to that list and see how Southgate has fared against these 'top 10' sides to date.
Southgate has faced all those sides in his reign aside from Argentina and Portugal. In the 26 matches against the other ‘top’ teams listed, Southgate has won six times, drawn nine, and lost the remaining 11.
That’s a winning rate of just 26 per cent against the best international competition (a losing rate of 42 per cent).
That is not the most encouraging record and one that Southgate will want to improve if he is to win over his detractors and, more importantly, win a trophy.
similar type key stat quoted in this vid from late'ish 2022 killer stat at 3.22 in the vid. slightly harsh in the vid ,although it is fair to be scrutinising that aspect more, as blimey, he's had some very easy draws in the groups & has got yet another one next year. similar type feel with Evatt with these types of games. would be interesting to know his record.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 12, 2023 23:26:25 GMT
Interesting post that RTF
Anyone expecting a comfortable home win on Saturday v mid table Bristol Rovers might need to redress that thought as they’ve just done over a very decent Crewe Alexander 4-2 at Gresty Road to progress to R3 in the FA Cup
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