|
Post by OohMac on Oct 28, 2023 18:26:50 GMT
I was angry still Tuesday night ad you no doubt noticed. But for me that was streets ahead of Wycombe. Whilst we rode out luck a little we at least did offer something of a counter attack. And when you give yourself that 2 goal margin then you can afford to sit back and soak it up.
Thought Santos was immense as was Toal. Williams and JDC fantastic. They need to forget how many goals a LwB/rwb score a season because there's no ceiling. They could both be in double figures. It's such a unique role they have.
I worried with Dempsey being out. Thought a midfield of Sheehan, Morley and Thomason was as lightweight as they come but they've stepped up.
Every year we play Charlton I wonder why they're not guaranteed top 6 they seem to have tricky pacey wingers and attacking full backs. I think they use the London loan market well. But they never really do it consistently.
That was great today. Oxford got a 96m penalty to stop us being in the prem but with 6pts to contest with Pompey it's in our hands(Ha, October. Just need to remind myself. It's october)
|
|
|
Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 28, 2023 20:26:02 GMT
If we’re serious about getting up this time, we have to add better quality up top in January and Dion needs a better target man with him
Wish list
IN From a choice of any of these names below Devante Cole Macauley Langstaff Johnson Clarke-Harris Jamie Reid or Alfie May
OUT The whole lot need binning Adeboyejo Nlundulu Bodvarsson (we have to move on as he’s clearly not being used or trusted) Cameron Jerome
How serious are we and how much money will IE be afforded??
|
|
|
Post by OohMac on Oct 29, 2023 8:28:36 GMT
Was going to ask if we should be making JCH a realistic target. He's been dropped by posh as they know he's going. We know they accepted a bid of 800k from Bristol Rovers. I'd say The Gas have probably fluffed that by being poor. If he goes there its purely for the money. I'd imagine he could get a Saudi club.
Macantony is confident that the price tag won't fall despite him being out of contract in Summer. I disagree unless there's a bidding war. He's free to already sign for another club outside England. If for instance Rangers came sniffing around DMac would surely sell him for anything than risk losing him for free a few months later.
Could we test the water with a £400k bid rising to 800k on promotion. Look to off set that with a sale of Adeboyejo. JDB and Jerome won't fetch a fee but could put their wages towards a loan move.
|
|
|
Post by chip on Oct 29, 2023 8:36:49 GMT
That’s all we are asking for is so called strikers to be strikers and score us the goals to get us out of this league. If we can play like we did in the first half against Wycombe and yesterday for the whole game then we get beat I have no problem with that as we then have been beaten by a better team. It’s just so frustrating being a Bolton fan but we wouldn’t have it any other way COYWM
|
|
|
Post by whitesince63 on Oct 29, 2023 8:58:30 GMT
I think Evatts already ruled out JCH because he doesn’t fit our style and whilst we do need to be looking at a new striker I think there are better candidates around than an ageing JCH who would have zero sell on value which is not Wanderers current thinking. I’d rather we went for someone like Langstaff at Notts County, although if he keeps on scoring like he has he’ll be out of our price range but there are still other players young enough and promising enough to consider, even maybe our own Connor Carty when he gets back from Ireland. When alls said we’re still not doing bad with what we’ve got and you’d expect at least one of our current lot to stand up and be counted before too long? We shouldn’t value our strikers at zero value though and they could be used in any swop deal?
|
|
|
Post by whiteofthesouth on Oct 29, 2023 10:10:38 GMT
That’s all we are asking for is so called strikers to be strikers and score us the goals to get us out of this league. If we can play like we did in the first half against Wycombe and yesterday for the whole game then we get beat I have no problem with that as we then have been beaten by a better team. It’s just so frustrating being a Bolton fan but we wouldn’t have it any other way COYWM Possibly not as frustrating than all but a couple of teams in League One!
|
|
|
Post by whiteofthesouth on Oct 29, 2023 10:15:05 GMT
If we’re serious about getting up this time, we have to add better quality up top in January and Dion needs a better target man with him Wish list IN From a choice of any of these names below Devante Cole Macauley Langstaff Johnson Clarke-Harris Jamie Reid or Alfie May OUT The whole lot need binning Adeboyejo Nlundulu Bodvarsson (we have to move on as he’s clearly not being used or trusted) Cameron Jerome How serious are we and how much money will IE be afforded?? I do think we could do with one more striker. However, I wouldn’t bin any of these except for Jerome, who I’d keep employed as a coach, but take out of the squad. Watching yesterday’s game, I thought Adeboyejo was pretty decent, JDB showed signs of getting back to fitness and N’Lundulu had his best league game (maybe not a high bar!). I’d certainly be keen to see how Connor performs if we recall him.
|
|
|
Post by whitesince63 on Oct 29, 2023 18:41:25 GMT
If we’re serious about getting up this time, we have to add better quality up top in January and Dion needs a better target man with him Wish list IN From a choice of any of these names below Devante Cole Macauley Langstaff Johnson Clarke-Harris Jamie Reid or Alfie May OUT The whole lot need binning Adeboyejo Nlundulu Bodvarsson (we have to move on as he’s clearly not being used or trusted) Cameron Jerome How serious are we and how much money will IE be afforded?? I do think we could do with one more striker. However, I wouldn’t bin any of these except for Jerome, who I’d keep employed as a coach, but take out of the squad. Watching yesterday’s game, I thought Adeboyejo was pretty decent, JDB showed signs of getting back to fitness and N’Lundulu had his best league game (maybe not a high bar!). I’d certainly be keen to see how Connor performs if we recall him. I understand that Cartys back towards the end of November wots so hopefully he won’t have to be recalled but like you I haven’t completely written off our current bunch yet though as you say Jerome may be of more use as a coach than a player. No doubt we’ll see in January but I don’t anticipate too much striker business when there are probably more needy areas to strengthen, though at the moment I think the whole squads doing well and we may be better sticking with what we’ve got and improving them?
|
|
|
Post by whiteofthesouth on Oct 29, 2023 19:46:10 GMT
I do think we could do with one more striker. However, I wouldn’t bin any of these except for Jerome, who I’d keep employed as a coach, but take out of the squad. Watching yesterday’s game, I thought Adeboyejo was pretty decent, JDB showed signs of getting back to fitness and N’Lundulu had his best league game (maybe not a high bar!). I’d certainly be keen to see how Connor performs if we recall him. I understand that Cartys back towards the end of November wots so hopefully he won’t have to be recalled but like you I haven’t completely written off our current bunch yet though as you say Jerome may be of more use as a coach than a player. No doubt we’ll see in January but I don’t anticipate too much striker business when there are probably more needy areas to strengthen, though at the moment I think the whole squads doing well and we may be better sticking with what we’ve got and improving them? Personally, I think a striker is our most urgent need. When they’re all fit, we have an embarrassment of riches in midfield. Not too bad at the back either. Possibly another right wing back would be good. However, despite me saying JDB and N’Lundulu looked better this week, I’m not yet confident of them adding to the score line when Dion & Vic go off. That’s why I said one more striker is all I think we really require.
|
|
|
Post by OohMac on Oct 30, 2023 7:46:51 GMT
I think Evatts already ruled out JCH because he doesn’t fit our style and whilst we do need to be looking at a new striker I think there are better candidates around than an ageing JCH who would have zero sell on value which is not Wanderers current thinking. I know Evatt said he doesn't suit our style but I'm not sure what striker does. Aside from a hat trick Vic isn't a scorer, he's a 1 in 6 and playing most games. Nlundulu I have written off. He's had a whole year with us plus 6 months at Cheltenham and doesn't score. Agreed that future JCH won't be a great sell on but do think if he gets us up he pays for himself. If say we structure a deal 400k now 400k on promotion and maybe another 400k if he scored 10 championship goals. Then best or worst case we go up, he does well, we're £1.2M down but have Championship TV money and 4000 away fans a week instead of 400. If we go up but Clarke Harris can't cut it I'm sure there will be a team who will throw some money at it to go up. Wigan, Reading if they get sorted out. Wrexham Stockport Salford etc. I think we could recoup most of that even if JCH isn't a championship hit. If we don't go up that's 400k, again I think we can recoup that if we wanted. I also feel of we don't go up, new contract or not, Dion will be wanting out so JCH may be needed next season.
|
|
|
Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 30, 2023 13:33:59 GMT
I think Evatts already ruled out JCH because he doesn’t fit our style and whilst we do need to be looking at a new striker I think there are better candidates around than an ageing JCH who would have zero sell on value which is not Wanderers current thinking. I know Evatt said he doesn't suit our style but I'm not sure what striker does. Aside from a hat trick Vic isn't a scorer, he's a 1 in 6 and playing most games. Nlundulu I have written off. He's had a whole year with us plus 6 months at Cheltenham and doesn't score. Agreed that future JCH won't be a great sell on but do think if he gets us up he pays for himself. If say we structure a deal 400k now 400k on promotion and maybe another 400k if he scored 10 championship goals. Then best or worst case we go up, he does well, we're £1.2M down but have Championship TV money and 4000 away fans a week instead of 400. If we go up but Clarke Harris can't cut it I'm sure there will be a team who will throw some money at it to go up. Wigan, Reading if they get sorted out. Wrexham Stockport Salford etc. I think we could recoup most of that even if JCH isn't a championship hit. If we don't go up that's 400k, again I think we can recoup that if we wanted. I also feel of we don't go up, new contract or not, Dion will be wanting out so JCH may be needed next season. Some thought provoking points there OooooM and one thing on Dion, I know he’s just signed a contract extension but we might not even be in a position to go up, as come January someone like Stoke or Ipswich might take a pop at us with a £3m bid for Dion and then where would we be as he’s the only striker popping the ball in!! We cannot rise the league with just Dion scoring the goals, I know the others are weighing in with the odd one here and there but to fully sustain a serious push to the top, we do need goal scoring additions in January, essential..
|
|
|
Post by whitesince63 on Oct 30, 2023 14:05:31 GMT
Well I may be on my own with this but I still believe that Vic will come good, especially if the likes of Paris and Gomez start creating chances for him to run onto. Victors a box player but we don’t really play to his strengths in my view but if we did a bit more I’m sure there are goals in him. To be fair he’s looked much better in the last few games and been more involved. On Saturday he did a superb hold up for Dion whose first touch (as usual) was atrocious and the chance lost. Similarly there were at least two chances where he got in good positions in the box where other players didn’t feed the ball to him plus another where he was denied by a block and a pass from Morley that was just out of reach for a tap in.
As for Dion, he misses far more than he scores and I don’t see why the likes of Victor or AN Other couldn’t do just as well as him if he is lured away which I’m sure would only be by a big fee. I actually don’t expect that because I’m not sure his all round play is good enough for the Championship. If the Dion/Victor partnership isn’t producing more goals by January, especially for Victor then yes we may need to look at adding firepower but let’s not rule out goals from the likes of Randell, Paris and Gomez who can all deliver and I’d still like to see more contributions from the Centre Backs on set pieces so it shouldn’t all be down to the strikers. We’re the second highest scorers in L1 at the moment so we aren’t doing that badly are we?
|
|
|
Post by whiteofthesouth on Oct 30, 2023 16:24:59 GMT
It’s worth remembering that all four goals against Wycombe were scored by midfielders or defenders. One of the two on Saturday was too. Goals are coming from all over the pitch!
|
|
|
Post by whitesince63 on Oct 30, 2023 16:50:54 GMT
It’s worth remembering that all four goals against Wycombe were scored by midfielders or defenders. One of the two on Saturday was too. Goals are coming from all over the pitch! Exactly wots so we shouldn’t put all our eggs in the striker basket. Good ones cost big money so if we can find goals from all through the team not only is it probably cheaper but also more difficult to defend against.
|
|