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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 4, 2023 16:41:39 GMT
Yet again A corner to us might as well be a corner to them!!!
Am I moaning too much??
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 4, 2023 16:43:31 GMT
Finally
Dempsey⚽️⚽️⚽️
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Post by Pedro on Feb 4, 2023 17:09:13 GMT
Yet again A corner to us might as well be a corner to them!!! Am I moaning too much?? [br WTF do they DO IN TRAINING? 🤮🤬
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Post by andyl on Feb 4, 2023 18:56:14 GMT
A poor match really with one good moment from Dempsey probably our best player.
Our problems emanated from some poor out of possession play. The problems began with Adeboyejo who had a Delfounesine debut- not really putting himself about or getting a foot in or holding up play. One snatched shot was his output. To be fair Charles and Shoretire were running headlessly everywhere and if the former had the ball no other player was on his radar.
The result of all this was Cheltenham controlling possession and also tempo by time wasting at every opportunity.
So the pattern tended to be of our chasing through balls, conceding corners and only getting the ball from Trafford and with one exception he rolled it for Santos. Santos's passing was quite good today but that was not true of John or Bradley or Jones so we gave it back as often as not.
Bradley will miss the next game. No bad thing- he needs a recharge. Defensively he was good and he did overlap a time or two but he seems chronically incapable of making the right passing choices or executing them. Charles meanwhile blazed a good chance high and wide- embarrassingly. But I can't quite criticise him as much as he deserves because of his constant effort.
Anyway Dempsey lit us up and the experience of Lee and Jerome helped us manage the game out. Cheltenham had two second half moments, an unopposed header that Trafford didn't attack -;went over and a near catastrophic Santos marking lapse compounded by Trafford being drawn out. Fortunately we got to the cross first and poked it away.
Trafford 6 Toal 7 Santos 6 John 6 Bradley 6 Jones 6 Dempsey 8 Shoretire 6 Adeboyejo 5 Morley 6 Charles 6 Lee/ Jerome 7 apiece
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Post by davidm on Feb 4, 2023 19:09:47 GMT
A good 3 points from a horrible game.
Horrible because of awful tactics by Cheltenham who got what they deserved when Dempsey scored.
Cheltenham were one of a number of teams who have come here and done all they could to disrupt the flow of the game. Numerous “injuries”, endless time taken with goal kicks and throw ins. The daft thing was when we scored and they had to come out, they attacked quite well.
When teams approach a game like that, we do struggle. Our midfield could not find a way through a massed defence.
Dempsey had a shot wide and Charles shot over when well placed but that was it for the 1st half. Cheltenham had long throws and corners which we found difficult to clear.
Second half did not improve. The Cheltenham striker headed a good chance over when Santos and Jones seemed to leave the ball to each other and the game meandered along. Charles had a half chance scrambled away but I just could not see us scoring such was the game.
Lee and Jerome were introduced to replace Shoretire and Adeboyejo and the substitutes made a difference in that we looked more in control particularly with Lee on.
We eventually found a goal when Dempsey shot from just outside the box. I was expecting the usual defensive block but the ball beat everyone into the corner of the net. A deserved goal because Cheltenham were not interested in a game of football.
Once we scored, we adopted the Cheltenham philosophy of time wasting. Unfortunately, Bradley got booked for that and is now suspended for 2 games.
Overall, very happy with 3 points – which was just as well as Peterborough and Wycombe both won away. Not a good game nor a particularly good performance.
On to Peterborough next week where we must not lose.
Marks:-
Trafford - 6 Truly nothing to do and he did the nothing well.
Bradley - 6 Some decent runs but the final ball was just a bit lacking. Unlucky to be booked (and therefore suspended).
Jones - 7 Out of position at left side defender but did well.
Santos - 7 Stopped most of what Cheltenham could throw at us (which was not much). Only worry is that we looked iffy defending corners and long throws.
Toal - 6 Good enough. A few wayward passes.
John - 6 Likewise OK but passing not great.
Dempsey - 6 Good shot for the goal but he and Morley struggled to break down Cheltenham’s massed defence.
Morley - 6 A bit of a struggle. Corners again a bit poor.
Shoretire - 5 He may be the best that the manager has seen with control and pace but not against opposition who shove and kick. A struggle.
Adeboyejo - 5 A couple of decent touches but another who struggled.
Charles - 6 Very busy as usual. Wasted our best chance in the first half.
Jerome - 6 Quiet but seemed to add something to the team when he came on.
Lee - 7 When he replaced Shoretire, we got definitely better. His movement and general calmness helped immensely.
Sheehan
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Post by OohMac on Feb 4, 2023 19:35:01 GMT
All the talk from pre match was about how patient we'd have to be.
My fear is that Plan A (Santos, 80% possession and Evattball) is back and Plan B is now shelved again.
We may say teams like Cheltenham make it tough, come for a point, etc ultimately they often fail otherwise they wouldn't be near the bottom.
Can't be too down but Evatt stumbled onto something really good. If he chucks that out to go back to what he wants then I'll be severely disappointed.
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Post by chip on Feb 4, 2023 20:38:59 GMT
Just got home and all I can is thank the Christ for that all this tipping and tapping at the back and them wasting time every chance they got but a win is a win let’s just keep churning them out. I see Derby smashed Morecambe for five just watch when we play them we will struggle to score again onwards and upwards COYWM
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Post by kenglowhite on Feb 4, 2023 20:40:13 GMT
Thought, apart from missing two penalties, the referee's decision making was quite good today, but I draw the line at the booking of Bradley for a first offence in delaying a throw-in, when he only booked one opposition for the same offence, when they had been delaying throws all afternoon. It should be possible to question such decisions, when the outcome is a quite severe two-game ban. I agree with Andy that Bradley needs a rest. I have been saying for some time that the edge has gone off his attacking game with very few successful crosses or shots coming from him recently, though his defensive engine has been good. I also felt we didn't see the best of Declan John today. I know it was an emergency, but Jones seemed to be playing too close to him ( had Evatt told him to watch John's defensive game?). This, apart from the pitch and the Cheltenham defensive block was a reason why we failed to mount enough offensives. Lee's appearance as sub definitely made a difference. Next week's selection for Peterborough should be interesting, as we will certainly miss Johnston (again) and Bradley.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 5, 2023 15:33:23 GMT
Watching MOTD/EFL games and seeing the quality of the pitches in the North-West (Everton, Urinals, Preston, Salford and Stockport) their pitches are lush, green, snooker table’esque and they’ve had the same winter weather as we have
Are we paying for a cheap turf?
Is the groundsman not that good? (Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t he win an award some time ago) I totally get it that the state of the pitch is not conducive to ‘Evatt-Ball’ so what have FV got in the offing to ensure the next turf layed will get a longer stay of execution than the current quagmire? If, by some form of miracle, we do jump up a league, surely we’ll have to have a better pitch than this and one that lasts as it’ll be needed when we are playing in a more quality competition division. Even Wigan Pathetic’s pitch looks better than ours and they play as much rugby on it as they do football
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Post by davidm on Feb 5, 2023 15:43:19 GMT
Watching MOTD/EFL games and seeing the quality of the pitches in the North-West (Everton, Urinals, Preston, Salford and Stockport) their pitches are lush, green, snooker table’esque and they’ve had the same winter weather as we have Are we paying for a cheap turf? Is the groundsman not that good? (Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t he win an award some time ago) I totally get it that the state of the pitch is not conducive to ‘Evatt-Ball’ so what have FV got in the offing to ensure the next turf layed will get a longer stay of execution than the current quagmire? If, by some form of miracle, we do jump up a league, surely we’ll have to have a better pitch than this and one that lasts as it’ll be needed when we are playing in a more quality competition division. Even Wigan Pathetic’s pitch looks better than ours and they play as much rugby on it as they do football Isn't it just a case of our pitch being 14 years old and that it should have been relaid 3 or 4 years ago. Once the new one is laid (apparently it can't be until after the concert in early June!) it will be back to a high standard.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 6, 2023 11:20:18 GMT
Watching MOTD/EFL games and seeing the quality of the pitches in the North-West (Everton, Urinals, Preston, Salford and Stockport) their pitches are lush, green, snooker table’esque and they’ve had the same winter weather as we have Are we paying for a cheap turf? Is the groundsman not that good? (Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t he win an award some time ago) I totally get it that the state of the pitch is not conducive to ‘Evatt-Ball’ so what have FV got in the offing to ensure the next turf layed will get a longer stay of execution than the current quagmire? If, by some form of miracle, we do jump up a league, surely we’ll have to have a better pitch than this and one that lasts as it’ll be needed when we are playing in a more quality competition division. Even Wigan Pathetic’s pitch looks better than ours and they play as much rugby on it as they do football Isn't it just a case of our pitch being 14 years old and that it should have been relaid 3 or 4 years ago. Once the new one is laid (apparently it can't be until after the concert in early June!) it will be back to a high standard. Yes David and as you know there are plans to remove and update it in the closed season. I think you also have to take into account the shape of the UniBol stadium and that in Winter due to it’s closed stands and North facing position a large proportion of the pitch gets very little sunlight. I know they use the lamps but it can’t be as good as natural sunlight for the grass? Hopefully with the weather improving and the days lengthening the surface will improve quickly to the end of the season?
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 6, 2023 12:08:25 GMT
Watching MOTD/EFL games and seeing the quality of the pitches in the North-West (Everton, Urinals, Preston, Salford and Stockport) their pitches are lush, green, snooker table’esque and they’ve had the same winter weather as we have Are we paying for a cheap turf? Is the groundsman not that good? (Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t he win an award some time ago) I totally get it that the state of the pitch is not conducive to ‘Evatt-Ball’ so what have FV got in the offing to ensure the next turf layed will get a longer stay of execution than the current quagmire? If, by some form of miracle, we do jump up a league, surely we’ll have to have a better pitch than this and one that lasts as it’ll be needed when we are playing in a more quality competition division. Even Wigan Pathetic’s pitch looks better than ours and they play as much rugby on it as they do football www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/wanderers-grounds-team-win-top-award/ It was only last season they won the best grounds team of the year in League 1. Then they laid new turf. www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/pitching-in/so whatever it was they did, hasn't worked well.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 6, 2023 12:17:00 GMT
Apparently, we have a ‘hybrid’ pitch
Constructed by Desso GrassMaster. A mixture of natural grass and artificial fibres injected into the surface to allow am even depth
Everton Urinals Barcelona Aston Villa Newcastle Liverpool PSG Inter Milan Man City Wembley Stare de France
All of the above have the same system
So I’m my view, questions must be asked as I’m guessing that they’re not cheap these pitches 🤔🤔
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Post by OohMac on Feb 6, 2023 13:59:35 GMT
Yeah, the pitch isn't just grass. It's sort of stiched in fabric which has a shelf life of about 15 years. We're coming to that now.
Apparently it was close to a million at the time but the cost has come down since those days but think still around £200-£350k and probably something FV didn't consider.
Is there an argument for us having a regular pitch for L1 so there less gulf between how we play at home and say going to Burton?
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