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Post by OohMac on Oct 25, 2022 20:19:08 GMT
Absolute rubbish,how bad are we in the opponents half, it’s just embarrassing, can’t pass, no composure and the final ball is just woeful. We just carry absolutely no threat up front at all and has Evatt forbidden them from shooting, just trying to walk the ball in and when we do shoot we just never hit the target. It really is awful to watch because you just know what’s going to happen. I can see Burton nicking this despite the fact they’re a poor team and if we had anything at all up front the game would be over now. Just a lot of work running around but with zero penetration in the opposition box. Get Lee on quick because at least he might add a bit of composure to proceedings and open up something to score from because this bunch could play until Christmas and not score. Yet again their keeper hasn’t had a single shot to save. Cant understand how you see this but dont want Ego out. No lessons learnt. No coaching. No improvement.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 25, 2022 20:21:19 GMT
And there it is 0-1 Well done Burton Well done Dino Maamria You’ve got what you came for
And his subs prove how desperately lacking he is EVATT OUT
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Post by OohMac on Oct 25, 2022 20:30:57 GMT
Ian Evatt its time for you to go back to learning. We need a proper coach now.
Thanks but its clear you arent ready yet.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 25, 2022 20:35:33 GMT
Well wouldn’t you know it A long kick downfield and it’s a goal⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 25, 2022 20:46:04 GMT
Stolen
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 25, 2022 20:55:34 GMT
Absolutely stolen but why do we have to go behind before the players find where the goal is and why did we mess about going nowhere for 90 minutes before we upped the tempo. Burton are a poor team and if we’d played like that from the start we’d have scored a bagful. I’m afraid Evatt needs to stop over coaching the players and let them just play their natural game. Yet again Sadlier makes a difference when he comes on yet can’t get a start in front of Evatt’s “pets” who contribute little. Pleased we won obviously but much work to do before we can consider ourselves true promotion candidates. You got out of jail again Ian but you can’t keep doing that.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 25, 2022 21:06:47 GMT
Absolutely stolen but why do we have to go behind before the players find where the goal is and why did we mess about going nowhere for 90 minutes before we upped the tempo. Burton are a poor team and if we’d played like that from the start we’d have scored a bagful. I’m afraid Evatt needs to stop over coaching the players and let them just play their natural game. Yet again Sadlier makes a difference when he comes on yet can’t get a start in front of Evatt’s “pets” who contribute little. Pleased we won obviously but much work to do before we can consider ourselves true promotion candidates. You got out of jail again Ian but you can’t keep doing that. Because Ian will say it was all tactically planned Of course, we won, it’s 3 points, we’ve beaten a bogey team, but hell, there weee 16 thousand home fans in there tonight and only the chosen few would have enjoyed that. If we start and play the same way for 80 mins v Oxford, they will tear us a new backside
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 25, 2022 21:12:02 GMT
appalling. more jam than Robertsons, and don't give me any of this lucky manager shit. up til 80 mins+ , just 4 shots !!, and 0 shots on target !!. that figure of just 4 shots must be close to an all time low,and against a side as crap as Burton. not doing anything different to when I judged him after his 1st ten games. trying to walk the ball into the oppo's net. still crap at set pieces. still crap at defending pieces. the sheer number and quality of subs will always make a difference at this level. we have to wait til we're behind before we can actually take the handbrake off and go for them. why do we need 3 centre backs against these teams...still don't know why that doesn't get questioned more. supposedly such a big fan of Pep, Bielsa and Klopp yet they never play like that. they have proper wingers, not wing backs. no wing back is ever gonna get you 15-20 goals and/or 10-15 assists .
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Post by andyl on Oct 25, 2022 21:57:41 GMT
A classic game of seven eighths and one eighth. Burton wasted 7 mins and some of normal time and lost in the 7th added minute . Serves them right with bells on. The coup de grace came from our own Icelandic Chloe Kelly rifling home after our first half decent corner broke his way.
Sticking with pluses and the one eighth the man of match choice is easy. But for an early stray through ball Sheehan gave us a cameo of perfection always between the lines in space firing crisp forwards, lateral and down the line passes. He changed the game and brought a splendid response from Saddlier on the left. Saddlier himself was thwarted by a very fine save. And a ricochet had also hit a post. Splendid finish kicking into the crowd. I still think we chose to reverse direction at least once. The crowd won this as much as the players.
The seven eighths. But for a slick start we were awful. No aerial showing at either end. Legions of misplaced passes and poorly controlled balls. Dreadful set pieces at both ends. Ponderous back play. Poor kicks and throws. Very disjointed and disrupted.
I just walked by Mr Bakayoko. He was on his phone ( what footballer isn't and smiling broadly. Credit to Bodvarsson heading on the long ball but good on Baka having a shot. I think we'll find he mishit it and the bouncing slower ball deceived the keeper with help from the post. It was enough to get us going after the deflation of Trafford's rare error and a far post gift. I wonder if the slight injury was on his mind. Not his best finish actually but did a good sweeper role in the first half?
Trafford 6 Jones 4 Santos 5 Iredale 6 Morley 5;Dapo 6 Thomasson 4 Charles 3 Bradley 5 ( some good runs but not his day.) Kachunga;5 ( quickly faded) Dempsey 6. Lee 4 Baka 6 Sheehan 9 Bodvarsson 8 Saddlier 7
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 25, 2022 22:02:06 GMT
Absolutely stolen but why do we have to go behind before the players find where the goal is and why did we mess about going nowhere for 90 minutes before we upped the tempo. Burton are a poor team and if we’d played like that from the start we’d have scored a bagful. I’m afraid Evatt needs to stop over coaching the players and let them just play their natural game. Yet again Sadlier makes a difference when he comes on yet can’t get a start in front of Evatt’s “pets” who contribute little. Pleased we won obviously but much work to do before we can consider ourselves true promotion candidates. You got out of jail again Ian but you can’t keep doing that. Because Ian will say it was all tactically planned Of course, we won, it’s 3 points, we’ve beaten a bogey team, but hell, there weee 16 thousand home fans in there tonight and only the chosen few would have enjoyed that. If we start and play the same way for 80 mins v Oxford, they will tear us a new backside Ha, you were right rioch, that’s exactly what he’s said post match. Makes you want to throw up really doesn’t it? The guy is totally deluded but I suppose as long as it keeps working and he keeps jamming results he’ll keep claiming it. Then again, if he keeps getting results do we care? 🥴
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 25, 2022 22:04:58 GMT
A classic game of seven eighths and one eight. Burton wasted 7 mins and some of normal time and lost in the 7th added minute . Serves them right with bells on. The coup de grace came from our own Icelandic Chloe Kelly rifling home after our first half decent corner broke his way. Sticking with pluses and the one eighth the man of match choice is easy. But for an early stray through ball Sheehan gave us a cameo of perfection always between the lines in space firing crisp forwards, lateral and down the line passes. He changed the game and brought a splendid response from Saddlier on the left. Saddlier himself was thwarted by a very fine save. And a ricochet had also hit a post. Splendid finish kicking into the crowd. I still think we chose to reverse direction at least once. The crowd won this as much as the players. The seven eighths. But for a slick start we were awful. No aerial showing at either end. Legions of misplaced passes and poorly controlled balls. Dreadful set pieces at both ends. Ponderous back play. Poor kicks and throws. Very disjointed and disrupted. That sums us up very well Andyl, in other words and putting it simply we were absolute crap!!
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Post by andyl on Oct 25, 2022 22:14:03 GMT
Yes dire until the finale but Sheehan was really good and lifted everyone. Also' in its place a long ball contested scrap won the day
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Post by one2many on Oct 26, 2022 7:32:42 GMT
The pure unbridled joy of players and fans at the second goal almmost made up for the pure unbridled dross that had been served up in the previous hour and a half....please note I say almost. Burton were pathetic time wasters and we were just playing pathetic football. The last 10 minutes were interesting, bordering on exciting but I never want to see what went before that at a football match.
In answer to the Burton manager bleating on about time added on, in my opinion the referee got it spot on. Instead of brandishing yellow cards and constantly berrating the Burton players for time wasting, he clearly just thought, "ok, you want to mess around, I will just add the time you do so on at the end of 90 minutes".
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Post by davidm on Oct 26, 2022 9:24:50 GMT
Can’t argue too much with the above comments (apart from the Evatt Out ones!) – the first 85 minutes were abysmal. The final 10+ minutes were amazing.
Burton got what they deserved – nothing. The 7 minutes extra time was well justified based on their continual time wasting. There only tactics were to hit the ball forward and play for throw ins and then corners. And, of course, it nearly worked. If the game had ended 0-1, they would have celebrated a master class of away football but it was dreadful.
We set off reasonably with some neat passing but, as in other games, we pass for the sake of it. Pass, pass, pass and then we lose the ball when the inevitable poor pass comes in.
Our midfield of Morley, Thomason and Dempsey had a really poor game. They should have dominated the opposition but could not get going. Afolayan was played in this stupid left wing back position which meant when he got the ball he had to go 30 yards or so with the ball before he created danger. He should have scored when Bradley put a lovely ball through to Kachunga who pulled it back to Afolayan to shoot just wide.
Overall, though, it was a slow laboured performance and Burton’s approach of winning throws ins and hoisting them into the box caused as much danger as our passing approach. When sides hurl long balls into our box, I want firstly to see our keeper come and catch them or if not our biggest defender, i.e. Santos, to dominate the box and win headers. Santos does not win defensive headers in the box so we have mass panic when the ball comes in.
So a pretty average first half and it didn’t improve after the break.
The standard dropped badly. Lee and Sadlier were brought on which amazingly left Kachunga as our main striker. Considering that he rarely gets into the penalty box, it didn’t look good.
We supposedly have the best defence in the league but they are rubbish at defending high balls/corners and the problem appeared again when Burton swung a corner in, Trafford somehow couldn’t get off his line and Jones was woefully out-jumped on the far post for a simple header. Oh for the days of a defender standing on the post for corners. If someone had been there, it would have been an easy clearance.
The manager immediately brought Bakayoko, Sheehan and Bodvarsson on and we looked much more dangerous. Bodvarsson immediately held the ball up well – totally opposite to Saturday when it was like a hot potato to him.
Trafford raced from his goal and swung to clear a long ball, missed and fell down injured. It looked like our major fear of no sub keeper was going to hit us but, thankfully, he recovered after treatment.
Still it seems like a dreadful 0-1 was coming when Trafford ignored our usual obsession with playing out from the back slowly and launched a ball downfield. Bodvarsson and their defender went up for the ball and both missed it. The ball bounced to Bakayoko on the left who immediately swung at it and looped it past a surprised keeper. I think the surprise element beat the keeper because it wasn’t the strongest shot you’ll ever see.
In fairness to the team, there was no celebrating. Just a rush back to kick off.
We were now well on top. Bodvarsson had a shot saved, Lee hit the post and Bradley had a one on one with the keeper which the keeper blocked. All in the space of 3 or 4 minutes.
We were rewarded when Morley (not Iredale who had put in some terrible corners) swung in a corner. It seemed too short but Sadlier got to the near post and headed at goal only for the keeper to somehow block it and here fortune favoured us as the ball fell to Bodvarsson to lash it in the net.
A tremendous finish but a dreadful first 85 minutes.
We need to attack with more pace and intent, like we did in the last 10 minutes, straight from the start. Teams come to block us and we struggle with our slow passing game.
Yet again, substitutions changed the game but we can’t rely on that all the time. Burton are at the foot of the table because they are poor and we struggled so much to beat them. The experiment with Afolayan doesn’t work as Yes he is on the left but too deep. Defensively, for all our good goals against record, we are shaky. Oh for Beavers and Wheater – I accept they can’t play the ball out from the back as the manager requires but they could head the ball.
We also need to identify our best 11 and somehow stick to that.
Oxford, despite their poor start, will be much more difficult on Saturday so we must be more clinical up top.
Marks:-
Trafford - 6 Had a few shaky moments. Stranded on his line for their goal. Bradley - 7 Our best attacking threat for most of the game Jones - 5 Beaten for the goal. Some poor passing Santos - 5 I want my centre half to head balls clear when they come into the box. He doesn’t. As usual, some decent tackling but I need him to dominate our defensive penalty box. Iredale - 6 A few decent forward moves but awful corners. Afolayan - 6 Played in the stupid left wing back position Thomason - 4 A dreadful 1st half when every touch of the ball was lost. His poorest match for ages Dempsey - 4 Couldn’t get any control of midfield Morley - 4 Played in the MJ Williams position but, like the other midfielders, could not dominate the game Kachunga - 5 Set up one great chance for Afolayan but after that loads of unproductive running around Charles - 4 Just could not get going at all Sadlier - 6 Very busy when he came on. Got his head to the last minute corner which set up the goal Bodvarsson - 7 He made a difference from the minute he came on. Took his chance really well. Chalk and cheese compared to Saturday. Bakayoko - 6 Credit for attempting a shot which, I believe, caught the keeper off guard but got us back into the match. Sheehan - 7 Took over the midfield when he came on. Lee - 7 As usual, so clever with his play. Unlucky not to score when he hit the post.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 26, 2022 10:07:27 GMT
I see Evatt coming out with his typical nonsense, "it wasn't luck ". in a way he's right, as the level of subs we can bring on compared to theirs is ridiculous. we could probably field 2 teams that could make the top 10 in this Div. didn't even read the article, but i'd guess he's probably said something about wearing down the opponent with all that sideways passing, boring them to death, (and the crowd) . saw Iles blaming it on teams coming with low blocks & defending deep. errr, well don't pick 3 centre backs then. Pep at Barca used to pick no centre backs against teams which did that to them in their pomp. he'd play 2 of his more defensive midfielders, like Mascherano & Busquets as nominal defenders, but who could still pass it very well. part of the thing they did was to move it QUICK. we can pass accurately if we pass it slow, safe and backwards, and sideways, but it's far harder to pass it forward and quick. how the hell we are 5th i'll never know. even drawing, we'd have held our position. it feels just like Freedmans first season where we had a whole string of fairly jammy results in the run-in , without playing at all well , to get to the verge of play offs & the infamous Blackpool game. and I was about as anti Df then as i am anti -Evatt now. it's like having an inexperienced 15 year old driving a Ferrari. sure he'll beat the other cars at the lights, but it's nowt to do with him, and sooner or later he'll crash. Freedman did inherit a decent squad that was more than capable of a run to the play offs. we didn't end up in lge 2 because of football reasons. it was financial reasons & off field stuff, so once you sort the financial stability, a natural rise back up will follow, just like you can observe with any other big club that's had hard times like Man city, Leeds, Leicester , Newcastle. etc. once we'd signed the previous season's lge 2 topscorer , topscorer by a country mile, Doyle, and Sarce, both who made team of the season, both who got promoted, it was a big clue that the financial issues were turning around very quickly. In the PL years, this would be the equivalent of BSA signing Thierry Henry and Gerrard. i've put this link on before : www.myfootballfacts.com/england_footy/football-league/club-league-history-summary/more similar clubs to our size, Blackburn. no seasons at 4th tier, and v few at 3rd tier. just 6. Stoke. none at 4th tier , and again v few tier 3. Boro etc ditto West brom. just 1 season EVER below top 2 Div's. i'd rather judge cause and effect when rating managers, rather than just say we won, so he must be good . i didn't get proved wrong with Df, even though i was probably in a tiny minority at the time.
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