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Post by chip on Aug 27, 2022 16:52:52 GMT
I’m going to go and get drunk now so good night all what a bad day and Plymouth we’re nowt to write home about but as usual we build them up to giant’s in the world of football ahh well there’s always crew on Tuesday night onwards and upwards COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 27, 2022 17:10:42 GMT
Good summary again Davidm and even without seeing the game I can picture everything you’ve quoted. Santos is clearly suffering a loss of form at the moment but we really don’t have an option to leave him out with only Aimson to replace him and he’s no better in reality. I’d love us to bring in an experienced quality CH before the window closes but we just don’t have the money to do it. Same up front, we don’t have the finances to sign what we really need. We can’t really blame the players, they’re just not good enough in reality or their previous clubs wouldn’t have let them leave, so unless Sharon finds some money from somewhere I think it’s going to be a long season and as frustrating as today because there will be times when it clicks and we actually win.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Aug 27, 2022 19:05:01 GMT
Sunderland are looking for a manager Ian!!!🤔🤔
Change might not be a bad shout, Sean Dyche still lives local
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Post by davidm on Aug 28, 2022 8:03:24 GMT
Sunderland are looking for a manager Ian!!!🤔🤔 Change might not be a bad shout, Sean Dyche still lives local Oh come on! Just look at the style of football that is played by Dyche and Evatt, I know you will say “winning football” but you may as well revert back to Parkinson’s mind-numbing hoofball if you talk about Dyche. Burnley immediately chose to change to more attractive style of football once they had got rid of Dyche. The last week has been a poor week as mistakes have cost us but the football we play is a million miles better than Sean Dyche can come up with.
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 28, 2022 8:12:09 GMT
I agree Davidm, the football is miles better and in fairness if it wasn’t for silly mistakes we could well be in a completely different place. I actually think IE has done a great job with the resources he’s had. We just don’t have the money to invest like our main competitors have yet we’re still competing with them. I would though like to see us moving the ball more quickly and if possible I’d like to see us sign a “hard man” type for the middle because we’re overrun so easily at times. Of course there are things we need to improve on and I’m sure Evatt’s just as aware of them as we are. Set pieces and corners are for me the main one. We have tall enough players yet we just never seem to win the ball whilst the same set pieces always trouble us in defence. This is a major weakness and one Evatt needs to address. Other than that, it’s still very early in the season and we haven’t hit our stride yet with key players like Rico and Dapo underperforming and Bakajoko and Charles not delivering. It’ll be reet we just need to have patience.
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Post by davidm on Aug 28, 2022 8:31:10 GMT
Of course there are things we need to improve on and I’m sure Evatt’s just as aware of them as we are. Set pieces and corners are for me the main one. That’s true. 10 corners to 2 in our favour yesterday. No problems for Plymouth with our 10 – delivery into the box is awful and no one appears to show any interest in attacking the ball. Plymouth’s 2 corners caused pandemonium in our defence. They could have scored from both of them, particularly the second one.
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Post by OohMac on Aug 28, 2022 8:36:31 GMT
I discovered that this site and my wifi dont get on. Missed all last week without realising.
Cant really think about replacing Evatt but see Neil going to Stoke has cost Dean Holden a job at Stoke. Can we get him on the coaching staff here or will Evatts ego not handle help?
Just wish Evatt could set up a team, take the handbreak off and go and attack teams from minute 1. Forget the posession stats. Im sure our best performances last season were just after January where players didnt get the Evatt Memo. Sunderland for instance Trafford was catching the ball and quickly looking for direct quick balls to Charles and Dapo.
Im sure we play that game now and Trafford catches. Slows it down. Roll out to Santos, to Johnston, Jones, 30 passes later and theyve got all men back behind the ball. Weve not advanced but are dominating. Maybe after 40 passes we win a corner. Thanks but no thanks.
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Post by OohMac on Aug 28, 2022 8:39:10 GMT
Oh and Evatt doesnt want to talk about the mistake for the goal. Wonder why. #ManagersSonSyndrome.
I know theres the carrot and the stick but you keep blowing smoke up Santos backside can you really be surprised with such complacency.
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Post by chip on Aug 28, 2022 11:19:08 GMT
Morning all never had a drink in the end. This is a very good discussion we are having about our team without the usual name calling and rude comments as you get on other sites. I know I speak for all of us when I say we all want what's best for our club and I get very pissed off when we get beat because of sloppy defending and bad shooting but I get more mad when Ian says things that every fan in the world Bolton or other teams fans say that are tripe we all know what he says so I'm not going to repeat myself or Ian. I watched the game yesterday and yes we was in my opinion a good match for Plymouth, Sheffield and Villa to an extent but we seem to do what the other's don't do and that is shoot ourselves in the foot.
We all know on there day Santos, Johnson are good defenders but when they make a mistake more often than not the ball ends up in our net. We desperately need a solid centre back with leadership qualities to help Santos and Johnson out with a rocket up there bottom now and again a bit like Bergson and we need a proper go get them goal scorer a bit greedy I know but hard tough tackling midfielder then Ian can do what ever he wants to as he will have the tools to take us back up the league. Rant over sorry for my long winded speech but grammar and spelling I was always bottom of the class. Onwards and upwards COYWM as my teacher always said room for improvement.
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Post by davidm on Aug 28, 2022 11:57:39 GMT
Santos is quite rightly getting stick for mistakes that have cost us recently but do not let Johnston escape criticism.
The 1st goal yesterday was just a long punt from their full back. An easy header for Johnston to clear but he totally misjudged it and let it go over him to Santos and their striker with disastrous results.
The 2nd goal was similar to Villa’s 4th goal on Tuesday. A striker running at him with the ball. He backs off and allows the striker to get a shot in. He has a bad habit of backing off and giving opponents opportunities.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Aug 28, 2022 14:34:39 GMT
I discovered that this site and my wifi dont get on. Missed all last week without realising. Cant really think about replacing Evatt but see Neil going to Stoke has cost Dean Holden a job at Stoke. Can we get him on the coaching staff here or will Evatts ego not handle help? Just wish Evatt could set up a team, take the handbreak off and go and attack teams from minute 1. Forget the posession stats. Im sure our best performances last season were just after January where players didnt get the Evatt Memo. Sunderland for instance Trafford was catching the ball and quickly looking for direct quick balls to Charles and Dapo. Im sure we play that game now and Trafford catches. Slows it down. Roll out to Santos, to Johnston, Jones, 30 passes later and theyve got all men back behind the ball. Weve not advanced but are dominating. Maybe after 40 passes we win a corner. Thanks but no thanks. 2 great posts there OoH Mac . on the motivation aspect and blowing smoke, always remember Stuart Pearce telling his story about his England call-up and Cloughie's reaction. Cloughie asks him..do you think you deserve it son ? he says possibly yes., Cloughie bites back.."well i don't !!" . he probably did but it's all said to keep his feet on the ground. he knows his heads going to be up in the clouds. same with Alf Ramsey, and the stories ..possibly Geoff hurst, leaving the camp to return to his club at the end of the midweek international. "see you next time boss". Alf's reaction.... will you ? we'll see about that . brilliant. not being nasty , just keeping them focussed and NOT COMPLACENT !!. Evatt seems to think motivation is a 1 way street. more and more love for Santos. and it all gets better and better. if only it were that easy, we'd all be geniuses !!. it's just bloody naive to think it's that simple. Fergie knew a bit about motivation too. never mind though all these people i'm quoting won massive trophies at the highest level, so what do they know !? as for Santos, you're spot on, the fact that Evatt keeps talking him up ad infinitum, does rile supporters like me up in particular. I expect to rate and respect the managers judgement, but how can you when he continually spouts this drivel. how do the other players feel about it, with this teacher pets scenario. Johnston is hardly playing great, is he in need of more talking up ? Santos could score 3 own goals, give the manager the V's and sleep with his Missus, and still be the first pick on the next team sheet !! all that slow build up you describe, i got fed up with after his first 10 games. as if you're blindly trying to copy a certain system ( man city/barca etc ) but haven't quite got the brains to figure out the subtler points about them. you've often argued ,OM, for a more hybrid style, not Parky , but not this extreme version either...somewhere in the middle. i'd agree. Parkys biggest fault was not encouraging them to hold onto the ball, when we got in front, which we often did, in the early phase before budgets tightened so tight it was impossible for anyone to compete. i'm still not sure we even do that aspect well now. we seem to pass back and square when not under pressure,but late in a game, hanging on to a 1-0 is the time to really show you can handle it under pressure. one other thing to mention that is still happening. IE moaning pre-match about the long journey. deary me. it's been said before, but how was this guy ever manager at Barrow !?! just wait for the weather to turn and he can then moan about that and bad pitches.
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 28, 2022 14:52:13 GMT
Good points made by all on this but in some ways we may be suffering from over expectation. I think we need to remember that it’s only a couple of years since we nearly didn’t have a club to be dissatisfied with!! I actually think FV and IE have actually done a pretty good job so far with their limited resources. Let’s be honest, we were as good if not better than Plymouth yesterday and but for mistakes could have come away with the points. Yes, we have weaknesses and we need an infusion of quality but I’m confident we still have a squad good enough to make top six and I’m sure there will be further changes both in the next few days and in January. I think we’re all pretty much agreed on where the problems are so let’s hope Ian can see them too and is working on ways to fix them. I believe he will and whilst I’m disappointed at last weeks results, I saw enough to know that we can match most teams but only if we stop making these catastrophic mistakes.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Aug 28, 2022 16:30:29 GMT
Sunderland are looking for a manager Ian!!!🤔🤔 Change might not be a bad shout, Sean Dyche still lives local Oh come on! Just look at the style of football that is played by Dyche and Evatt, I know you will say “winning football” but you may as well revert back to Parkinson’s mind-numbing hoofball if you talk about Dyche. Burnley immediately chose to change to more attractive style of football once they had got rid of Dyche. The last week has been a poor week as mistakes have cost us but the football we play is a million miles better than Sean Dyche can come up with. Thought that would get a reaction!! I’m speaking with dented enthusiasm We’re in Division 3 and as I pointed out on a previous note, we are consistent with Evatt (first 7 games almost identical to the start we had last season) and we will amble along, might even produce a Sunderland result along the way (6-0) but we will still end up mid table, in Div 3 and that’s not good enough for me. When Ryan Lowe upped sticks and moved to Preston, I honestly thought Steven Schumacher would fail at Plymouth, but he out witted Evatt yesterday and they are riding higher than us. (I know it’s a marathon not a sprint) Just hope he shuts his mouth, is given the funds to change and improve and realises when certain players are repetitively making the same basic errors and is not without dropping them We could do well and I want to see Evatt do it but he’s not without his flaws and if I think he’s there to be shot at, Then so be it, it comes with the territory of managing the most wonderful football club in all the world COYWM
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Post by realtrottersforever on Aug 29, 2022 10:52:57 GMT
Under Alan Houghton's report in the Bolton News there are several comments one or two having a go at Santos. This one echoing my thoughts
Aortic Al 28th August 5:21 pm User ID: 344432 When you see the manager give the captaincy to a player and praise him to the skies, it doesn't mean that player has to be guaranteed a start no matter how many mistakes he makes. Santos is costing us goals and points and should be made to make those mistakes in the reserves until he gets them out of his system. it took Evatt a long time to drop Crellin but when it finally happened the team grew in confidence and started to move up the table. There's no sentiment in football. 'Rest' Santos and give the captaincy to Jones or Williams, that's my vote. Last Updated: 1 hr ago
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↪ in reply to Buster Rio Campo 21 28th August 4:49 pm User ID: 4041142 Santos needs selling not benching!!! Last Updated: 6 mins ago
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Post by realtrottersforever on Aug 29, 2022 22:16:51 GMT
Oh come on! Just look at the style of football that is played by Dyche and Evatt, I know you will say “winning football” but you may as well revert back to Parkinson’s mind-numbing hoofball if you talk about Dyche. Burnley immediately chose to change to more attractive style of football once they had got rid of Dyche. The last week has been a poor week as mistakes have cost us but the football we play is a million miles better than Sean Dyche can come up with. Thought that would get a reaction!! I’m speaking with dented enthusiasm We’re in Division 3 and as I pointed out on a previous note, we are consistent with Evatt (first 7 games almost identical to the start we had last season) and we will amble along, might even produce a Sunderland result along the way (6-0) but we will still end up mid table, in Div 3 and that’s not good enough for me. When Ryan Lowe upped sticks and moved to Preston, I honestly thought Steven Schumacher would fail at Plymouth, but he out witted Evatt yesterday and they are riding higher than us. (I know it’s a marathon not a sprint) Just hope he shuts his mouth, is given the funds to change and improve and realises when certain players are repetitively making the same basic errors and is not without dropping them We could do well and I want to see Evatt do it but he’s not without his flaws and if I think he’s there to be shot at, Then so be it, it comes with the territory of managing the most wonderful football club in all the world COYWM saw this yesterday, but forgot to acknowledge it. really good point about Schumacher. a real risk of an appointment. wasn't following it too closely myself. but young manager with virtually zero 1st team management experience. yet got 80 pt's last season. unlucky not to go up. ended our promotion hopes last season with a 1-0 win at the Unibol. and already beat us again. decent sized club, but you'd have to say we are a bigger club than them on almost any metric.... fanbase, attendances , stadium, longer term history & trophy wins, recent PL history, a who's who of top name past players for us compared to a bunch of nobodies for them etc . you can say this is partly living in the past, but it's not, it does affect the budgets you have through fans & tv, and marketing, and attractiveness to players. and they have plenty long journeys to face where they are ! on the other topic in your post above, Dyche, i don't want to write too much . could write loads. all i'll say is I definitely respect the job he did there. i suspect it'll be along time before they have that many consecutive seasons in the PL again. got them promoted TWICE too. cannot believe the disrespect for such a proven guy. for style purposes it might be an idea to look at the billions Chelsea have spent over the last 10 yrs since they had the big dough. how many times have they won it in style despite all their brilliant players and managers. answer- i'm still not sure they have won one yet with an attractive style. possibly 1 under Ancelotti. they had the pragmatists like Conte and Mou. and won well. but they kept changing to the more romantic picks...Villas Boas etc & every time they bombed and they had to go back to basics. Champions lge won with Di Matteo hanging on for dear life. and despite a supposedly better style under Tuchel...( boring sideways passing to me )....still won his Champions lge final with very low possession / on the counter & tacklers like Kante being the real key player. one other random point, Evatt gone very quiet about Bielsa lately. .another one for the dreamers and romantics who ultimately flopped.
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