www.myfootballfacts.com/england_footy/football-league/club-league-history-summary/love this table. really informative as to where a club's typical level is.
look at your clubs entire history and tell you how much time in each Div.
Everton maybe getting relegated. they have been down before contrary to certain claims that are made, but not in the Prem years. & never to tier 3.
Derby too probably heading down to tier 3.
they've only ever had 4 seasons below the top 2 tiers.
many of the big boys of course have never been out of the top 2 Div's.
here's a list of the clubs bit bigger than us or around our size & how many seasons they've had below the top 2 div's
Newcastle 0
Man city 1 . obviously much bigger now, but historically not as big a gap. BSA team regularly above them !
Sunderland 4
west brom 1
west ham 0
we're at 13 in tier 3 ( soon to be 14 ) and 2 at tier 4. both exited at 1st attempt !
blackburn 6
sheff wed 9
Mboro - just 2.
Stoke 8
Leeds 3
Wolves- 4 at div 3, with 2 at div 4 level.
Brum 4.
Burnley 11 at div 3. 7 at div 4
Forest 5
Ipswich 13- similar to us but none at tier 4.
I was never giving it the big 'un in the PL. demanding this and that. I was always well aware we were above our station. Happy to enjoy the ride.
we should have been better prepared for that inevitable drop at the end. and more humble. even when we did drop, it was a case of we'll go straight back up etc.
the Championship is much more our normal level these days..going off ground size, fanbase, achievements, budgets etc . I just put this in response to the typical
defensive articles we see from time to time. we had the one raving up IE's win % compared to other BWFC managers as if wins in Div 4 are comparable to
wins in PL , which I shot down at the time quoting that main link above, and saying by that score Chris Hughton is Newcastles greatest ever manager 'cos he
get them promoted from the Championship etc .
we've also had a fairly recent BN article about typical points achieved from a promoted side in Div 3 !?!
again that's very dependent on club size ..they used to call
Div 4 "the Rochdale division" as they seemed to be permanent members of it.
the link even highlights them as spending more time than anyone...
48 seasons div 4, 45 seasons in div 3, and 0 above that. just look at the number
of teams with similar records of 0 above bottom 2 div's !!. there's bound to be a significant difference in those types of teams who've never been in the top 2 Div's
and teams like us, who are rarely out of those top 2 Div's. to try and do the "Hasn't he done well" ( bruce forsyth type line ) really is a bit ridiculous.
Ooh Mac had some very good points on this type of stuff recently.....build expectations one minute..then try and manage them down again.
in 16/17 we bottomed out after a horrendous season the year before, and went up from the third tier with Parky.
25 wins. 36 goals conceded. 86 pt's. 18 clean sheets.
we are currently on 17 wins. 51 conceded . 60 pts. 11 clean sheets (now.. after 41 games- above fig- end of season ) but it is a recent benchmark to compare against. as are players from that team.
i'm not saying you have to match up totally. but when you sign 7 players in Jan, and find cash to settle big Div 4 contracts with potential stumbling block players like Doyle & Sarce, who could have easily sat around,
it proves the resources are pretty decent. pity the wages & financial data is so poor for this Lge i'd love to have a few more insights. all you can do is read between the lines...with the quantity & quality of signings, and other general BWFC recruitment that is done. anyone actually noticed the amount of bwfc jobs advertised on Bwfc official page on facebook or main site itself....seems like about 2 a week for the last year, at ALL levels...management, admin, advertising, legal , accounts, turnstiles, social media ... had they all got sacked or cut down to the bone under Ken or what ? .
