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Post by chip on Feb 5, 2022 17:05:15 GMT
Onwards and upwards stay safe one and all COYWM can we win it
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 5, 2022 17:07:42 GMT
Been a really tough day today and you get theses games once in a while, but I’ll take that point
Well done Trotters 1700 away fans.. immense
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Post by chip on Feb 5, 2022 17:16:55 GMT
1-1 fair result all things considered it took until seven minutes of time added on before we had a shot on target. I’m not sure if it was handled by Santos I will wait for the replay. Onwards and upwards stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 5, 2022 17:27:44 GMT
poor performance. struggled to get a shot on target against the one of the worst defences in the Div. 7 : 1. final shots on target count.
sofa score stats- got "shots inside the box" as 9 : 4.
you half expect some of this, as things never run as smooth as you expect. but still didn't expect the performance to be as dire as that. even if they had threats, which i expected, i still expected us to cause them more problems.
bit of bad weather, and a more physical , direct opposition & we're all at sea. as soon as i heard Evatt praising up Sunderland as a good footballing side, I thought we might stand a chance last week.
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Post by Pedro on Feb 5, 2022 17:28:20 GMT
Anyone any thoughts on Bodvarsson? Hopefully too soon to tell, but reminds me of big girl's blouse Elmander!
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 5, 2022 17:39:06 GMT
Anyone any thoughts on Bodvarsson? Hopefully too soon to tell, but reminds me of big girl's blouse Elmander! Its a bit early but not overly impressed so far as given his size, he doesn’t seem to use it much. He clearly won’t score many and I don’t think he’s a starter. If I was Evatt, I’d try to get Stockton in the summer as he would compliment Dion and give us some real presence up top. With Oxford winning today, I can’t see us catching the top six so we need to plan for next season now.
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Post by davidm on Feb 5, 2022 17:42:23 GMT
That really was not very good.
Take the referee’s performance out of it for a moment and consider that our only attempt on goal came with Bakayoko’s goal in the 98th minute.
We lost all idea of passing the ball. Seems if the weather is bad – Plymouth, Fleetwood, Accrington and today, we just can’t play.
We were unlucky with the penalty and the red card but overall it was poor.
We started well and for 15 minutes we looked good but Morecambe tackled and harassed us out of the game and for the rest of the half, they were the only ones attacking. Our midfield could not keep the ball and we were pushed back.
Second half more of the same or, in fact, it was even worse. We just did not attack and Morecambe continually pressed us.
We were caught out on the right and Fossey could not prevent a centre coming in. Trafford dropped it and the central defence stood like statues, allowing a shot to come in. I believe that it hit Santos’ shoulder but we got the rough end of the stick. How the ref saw it as deliberate handball and, therefore, a red card I do not know but Trafford saved the penalty well.
Despite this, we were just not playing and a goal looked inevitable (see Fleetwood, Portsmouth, Sheff W etc) and it came. John went forward up the left but was tackled, lost the ball and their forward who tackled him just sprinted into wide open spaces down their right.
The ball came in and we were short of men in the middle for Stockton to tap in.
At this stage, we were dead and buried but the shenanigans behind our bench eventually did us a favour as we could regroup.
We got the equaliser when John and Williams combined on the left. Their defender fell over trying to clear and Bakayoko, to his credit, saw the chance and scored.
Not a good performance. Our away form is poor – after a few minutes (10 or 15) of decent passing, we just get over whelmed with the opposition grinding us down.
Back home on Tuesday so we need a win. Can Santos’ red card be overruled? I think not.
Marks:- Trafford - 8 Good save from the penalty but it was his mistake with dropping the ball that led to the penalty. Made some other good saves though so well played. Aimson - 6 Not a player like Gethin Jones and under pressure in the 2nd half. Santos - 7 Unlucky. I assume the red card was for hands not swearing at the ref. Johnston - 6 Started very well but his passing got worse and worse and in the end, we just gave the ball away constantly Fossey - 6 No Jones to help him and today was a struggle John - 6 Not very good. At fault for losing the ball for their goal but then set up our goal with good attack Williams - 5 Our midfield got out-muscled today. Too many times, we just lost possession. Enjoyed his friendly words with the Morecambe fans in the last minute. Morley - 5 Same comment as Morley. Lee - 5 Not his game, ball bouncing all over with the wind and Morecambe’s hard tackling. Afolayan - 5 Similarly, couldn’t really cope today Charles - 5 Didn’t really get many chances. He harassed well but not too much forward attacking play Bodvarsson - 5 Came on at half time when we had given up passing and were just lumping it. Bakayoko Dempsey
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 5, 2022 19:51:14 GMT
Was there any reason for the ‘earlier’ signed Sadlier not getting a kick when the later signed Dempsey gets straight off the bench ahead of him?
Theres 51 points left for us to play for, pretty much half a season left (ok 17 games) 10 more wins and a few draws and who knows where it could leave us, but we have to be prepared for hiccup fixtures like this today
I feel like some of our players thought the 3 points were in the bag as they tied there laces to go out of the dressing room.
With all the furore of the 4 wins and 4 clean sheets and with an unlikely 6-0 thrashing of a much fancied promotion favourite, I do think even Evatt thought we’d roll these over today.
Food for thought for the rest of the season but the Shrimps are trying to avoid the drop and they looked far better than us in todays battle. I also agree with W63 on Stockton. If the board had been brave enough to cough up for his services rather than Bodvarsson, I think our attacking threat could be the best in the league, so maybe he is one for the summer transfer window
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 5, 2022 21:59:56 GMT
75 pts would have got us a play off place in 20/21 season, and in 18/19 season & 17/18 ( ignore 19/20 as reduced games due to Covid ). we have 39 pts in 29 games. so would need 36 pt's from next 17 games. 36/17 = 2.11 pts per game. only Rotherham & Wigan are achieving that PPG so far over the full season, but over our last 6 games. www.soccerstats.com/formtable.asp?league=england3we have got 13 pts from the 6. which is 2.16 pts per game. so it's still do-able. I did say midweek, I wouldn't totally rule out automatics. but i'd forgot only 2 go up automatic from this Div. so i'm almost ruling that one out. Wigan do have a fixture backlog and they have drawn their last 2. that's the only small hope for that, though they do seem to have the squad to cope. Sunderland & Wycombe are faltering a bit too. both lost their last 2. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/league-one/tablelooking at the bottom half of the table. a whole load of faltering going on. hardly any green ( wins) for any of the teams in the last 5 . Accy, Shrews and cheltenham...no wins in last 5 for any of 'em ! add Pompey & Wimbledon to that same stat. which might make it tougher to make upward progress if the top 10 or so keep winning and the bottom half keep losing. but I still feel man for man we can challenge, and the 3 immediate teams above us don't impress me much... Sheff wed, Ipswich & Plymouth, whenever I've watched the EFL on Quest highlights prog. gradually claw them back over the next 10 games, then see if any one in the top 6 is looking wobbly. last year Tranmere won just 3 of their final 12 games. www.soccerstats.com/formtable.asp?league=england4_2021and Carlisle, Salford, and Exeter all had wobbles which helped us out. Salford & Exeter both missed out on play-offs last year, despite having goal diff in the 20+'s . ours wasn't even in the 10's. normally i'd rate quite highly goal diff as a good marker of a teams strength.
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Post by chip on Feb 6, 2022 9:50:04 GMT
Yesterday was one of those in your face games with a hostile crowd, so it was good to see us rise above it and get a point. We have 17 games left some very tough ones away Wigan, Oxford, MK Don's and we still have to play the bottom 3 all away so I think the playoffs might be a bridge too far. One game at a time and enjoy the ride onwards and upwards stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 6, 2022 16:40:38 GMT
www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/19903258.morecambe-1-1-bolton-wanderers---marc-iless-big-match-verdict/decent article by Marc Iles. would have been easy to just point the finger at Morecambe. some very good comments too, not afraid to have a go at the 1% (to 5 % ) of Moronic bwfc "supporters" if you can call them that. the types who spend the entire 90 mins gesturing to opposition fans, and hardly seem to look at the game. Many good comments on here previously saying similar. did anyone go yesterday ? how obvious was the "throwing stuff at the Morecambe keeper " ? (edit- just watched on ifollow some throwing stuff at the keeper around the 78 min mark.) i saw some things lobbed on the pitch when we scored towards the ref. and i think the pitch invader was from our lot. plus the celebrating on the pitch after the goal. the Thogden vid totally judged the mood wrong. came across as Mafia-like Cosa Nostra..Omerta...code of silence. act holier than thou. defend your own side, slate the entire Morecambe crowd as racist. act all innocent when Police try to gather evidence. don't even film throwing at keeper. i remember seeing the scenes on that game we were expected to seal promotion last year. crowds outside the ground, scrote central !! despite them saying don't come. don't even need opposition fans to turn up. they break into ground themselves, fighting among each other. fireworks/pyro let off. www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-aT86hW5TI&t=169s&ab_channel=FOOTBALLFANSSTUFFTV < link to vid that it won't let me show.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 6, 2022 16:42:00 GMT
Yesterday was one of those in your face games with a hostile crowd, so it was good to see us rise above it and get a point. We have 17 games left some very tough ones away Wigan, Oxford, MK Don's and we still have to play the bottom 3 all away so I think the playoffs might be a bridge too far. One game at a time and enjoy the ride onwards and upwards stay safe one and all COYWM Im going to disagree with that post chip because I’d much rather be playing teams towards the end of the season with something to play for, than those in mid table who haven’t and show no nerves. We can also take advantage of nervous crowds in away games, especially with the likes of Wigan and Oxford, who will be quick to get on their teams back. Let’s be honest, it’s highly unlikely we’ll be able to make a play off place, though by no means impossible but it does mean that we have to keep winning. Dropped points like yesterday aren’t good enough and using weather as an excuse is pointless because it’s the same for both teams. We have the squad to do it I believe, although I still think we’re a little weak up top goal scoring wise, which we may have to wait until the summer to resolve. I’m hopeful that we’ll get the Santos decision overturned because having seen it several times now, Rico had his arm close to his side and it was more his shoulder that was hit than anywhere lower. I hope he does anyway because losing him could really affect our chances of actually making those play offs.
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Post by andyl on Feb 6, 2022 17:39:06 GMT
I have just watched back the highlights.
Hawk worries lest Santos suspended will affect play off chances. It will only be one game alas so I doubt we'll get much of a boost.
What on earth was he doing on that penalty? Lummoxes about, marks nobody, ducks under an easy headed clearance on the near post, takes up position on line like primary school player, holds out hand , is struck on arm at least in my freeze frame and yet again sent off to more or less kill our chances.
Maybe Trafford called for it - well you're the captain- clear it and debate later!!!
Good and timely if fortunate equaliser. Shame on both supporter minorities.
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Post by OohMac on Feb 6, 2022 20:43:17 GMT
I wrote a long reply about how our away form was still poor. A get out of jail wonder strike to get us 3 points against a poor Shrewsbury and a real emotive rally to conjure a point yesterday. Both goals yielding 4 points we may not have quite deserved.
I deleted it because theres no real need to be so negative/pragmatic. The shrewsbury game stopped the rot. Morecambe we went behind and came back which we never used to do AND thats 4 points from 2 away games so 2 PPG away and 3 PPG at home. That'll do.
Also you forget the road to promotion was paved with wins and points like this. Apart from that Crawley game we had weeks of nail biting, frustrating Saturdays. 50/50 games. Often relying on a late goal. A penalty. Full backs getting one.
On the red card, for me that Ref has to be 100% sure to send santos off. Penalty ok maybe he has more grey zone but penalty and a red? Cant see it being overturned and not sure Aimson, Johnston can step in to that main man role. Wonder if Baps can get a bit of WD40 on them legs and step up.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 6, 2022 21:04:06 GMT
www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/sport/football/bolton-wanderers-boss-has-strong-words-for-morecambe-supporters-3556720accept these comments were in heat of the moment post-game, but a calm & cool headed thinker would be handy , but as usual Evatt is found lacking and taking sides. defending morons. he must know the club introduced the membership scheme to weed out some of these idiots. surely he saw the Morecambe keeper getting stuff whizzed down on him. " I’m even more astonished that the announcement comes over the tannoy to say both sets of supporters weren’t behaving.
“Our supporters, yes, they encroached the pitch to support our team and I’m not saying that’s right - but our supporters didn’t behave in that way, so I’m really disappointed in that."
good to see so many fans tweets utterly fed up with that tiny % of our own idiots , in the replies to Iles' article apologies for the long post but very refreshing to see a whole load of good comments ,who didn't fall for the more obvious media story of racism..but concerned about putting their own house in order first. if we all do this, it's sorted for everyone . otherwise it get as double standards as claiming you hate diving when the opposition do it, but look the other way or even cheer, when your side do it. ( nb tweets might take a sec to load )
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