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Post by andyl on Jan 29, 2022 19:01:37 GMT
Fab-u-lous! Best home win in a decade or more. Loved it! We were so collectively good out pf possession, hunting in packs and committed.Three superb interpassing goals, one a classic overlap, far post cross, knoch back and smash home ( Charles)Another a goal started and finished by Dapo with great work by Charles and a sublime Lee flick. And the third some intricate box play and Lee cclean through.
Pedro asks what was the secret? Why? How? Here a few thoughts
1. We are far better in defensive midfield. Morley is the key- a real leader marking men and constantly directing others around
2. Fossey and Jones combine really well and get some grest overlaps. Fossey springs and heads well.
3. Dapo, Lee and Morley look to play skilul through balls so with John also good at that our runners were constantly in 8the game
4. Our defensive shape is better and we drew Sunderland on to counter attacks
5. Charles is a real handful, getting fitter and the possessor of a fierce shot
6. We may not be the best team in the league but in Lee and Dapo we have two of the standout players
7 The bench added skill and power - all three caught the eye and Bakayoko induced the own goal
8. For once the referee let some things go rightly . He could easily have booked Williams and neutered him but he didn't and Williams went on to hus best game in ages
9. They got demoralised
10. We got the first goal.
Just a great afternoon
Trafford 7 Jones 9 Santos 7 ( Still some crazy risks but strong in recovery) Johnston 8 John 9 Fossey 9. Lee 10 Morley 9 Dapo 9 Charles 9 Williams 9 Bakayoko 8 Bodvarson some promise Saddlier nearly a goal on debut
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Post by chip on Jan 29, 2022 19:06:04 GMT
Happy birthday 63' hope you have had a great day and the team have done us proud. Yes I think a lot of people will be eating humble pie tonight me included after questioning Ian and his gang but at the time it was justified. Now the proof is in the pudding let's just start the season off in the middle of January save us all the heartache before Christmas. Long may it continue can't wait to watch Quest tonight for the high lights. Were Bolton were Barmy were on the piss tonight enjoy everyone stay safe onwards and upwards COYWM.
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Post by thegrud1 on Jan 29, 2022 20:00:32 GMT
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Post by thegrud1 on Jan 29, 2022 20:04:11 GMT
My MOM.....williams.......he quietly goes about his job mostly unnotced......interceptions ,,,,,foot in...tackles...headers..mobility,,,,organising..simple win the ball and pass......DEFIFINELTY OUR UNSUNG HERO
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Post by realtrottersforever on Jan 29, 2022 23:02:59 GMT
good win. 7 shots on target a real rarity for us. just 41% possession for us. Evatt ball..lol Trying to decide if this is some form of apology to Mr Evatt after your recent attacks on him? apology. lol. is that a wind up ? I neither like or rate the guy & probably never will. 1 big win doesn't change that, just as Megson's 2 championship promotions don't mean most BWFC rate him either and they are at a far higher level than our current incumbent. or any number of promotions from recent managers achieved at other clubs as i've said in some recent threads. i predicted a win today, and predicted a big upturn for us (subject to Trafford not returning to his Accy form ). i predicted a big upturn last Jan and had money on it well before anyone else was saying so. don't remember you sticking your neck out much. if you stick your neck out with long term predictions, you're there to get ridiculed if you get 'em wrong. you have one-eyed views. fair enough so do 80-90% BWFC fans, and football fans in general. i'd like to weigh up the opposition. when i did the detailed previews, this view was very apparent..weighing up key threats, recent form, scorers , stats, etc . you predicted a tough game today. i predicted a win. i noted Sunderlands poor recent form. you rave on giving 10's to all. i would say Sunderland were pretty poor and most of their fans would probably agree, that's balance. yours is just bias. generally your match reports are very good. you're capable of being fair, despite you're often overly optimistic predictions which you would probably admit to. thats' the typical glass half full fans view. no probs. but i am not that. i'm ME, and i ain't changing. "heart over head" people often don't get it. but i don't care. that's their problem. it's easy to just get carried away by results especially when you're a big fish in a small pond, i like to judge managers by results and performances GIVEN THE RESOURCES THEY ARE WORKING WITH. that is TRUE management FOR ME. the amount of slating Parky and Lennon have got on forums is unreal. they had to work with the rug being pulled from under them ALL THE TIME. yet you're quite happy to slate them ,as our most bwfc fans. I also said quite stridently that WE WOULD NOT GO DOWN, despite not rating Evatt. when several other posters were expressing big fears about that, like Andy and Whites. I keep a calm head and look at it in a cold calculating analytical way. that's clearly at odds with you're emotional view. all i'd say is judge me on my predictions, not my emotions. yes i might have the odd rant, but my predictions are ice cold & pretty damn accurate even if i do say so myself, and my betting account of choice would back me up on that. if it wasn't for confidentiality and potential hackers, i'd share a few more of those. nice little earner today backing bwfc against a favourite by the way. betting heart over head is a recipe for disaster so i'd leave well alone if i were you.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 29, 2022 23:12:58 GMT
I think you’re mistaken there rtf, I’ve never considered we were in danger of going down under Evatt, in fact I’ve backed him all the way other than for me his treatment of our young players. I’ll be happy if he proves me wrong on that and so far he’s doing a good job on it. 😉
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Post by realtrottersforever on Jan 29, 2022 23:57:30 GMT
I can't find the exact line i had in mind..i'm sure i was telling Andy we wouldn't go down, and you expressed some doubts too...something along the lines of...couldn't see where next goal was coming from etc. will have another look tomorrow...before you delete it this is yours form the hartlepool thread : "The build up from the back is just too slow and the system isn’t to move the ball forward quickly. Other teams do that as you say whilst we just fanny about going sideways and always allowing the opposition to get men back behind the ball. We do get men forward and you’re right about then leaving ourselves exposed at the back but the opposition don’t mess about sideways, they than pass through us onto goal. Evatt needs to wake up or we’re going down" and this is yours from the half term review thread : " Can’t disagree with much of the above and it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks because we are perilously close to the relegation zone and losing the home games coming up could really change things. It’s a pretty poor situation though, when the only reason we still prefer Evatt is in comparison to Parky. It doesn’t really say much does it but when you compare Parkys Neanderthal lump it forward to Evatt’s monotonous sideways stuff, is it really any different. The marks above are probably fair but I just think the players individually are better than that and it’s the team that isn’t. As a team I’d say no more than a C. Who then is responsible for that? Surely it can only be Evatt and his coaching team.Am I losing faith in Evatt? Sadly yes and respect too for the way he’s treated our young prospects. Politic, Senior, Darcy and Alexander have been treated appallingly in my opinion and if we had a fit squad, how much time would Thomason really get?
The jury’s now very much out for me on Evatt and if things don’t improve considerably, however much backing he seems to have from Shazza, things could change quickly if the fans get on his back, or he loses the dressing room, a distinct possibility for me. We still don’t know what happened with Sarce and even Doyle but it seems clear that Evatt doesn’t like to be challenged or have his methods questioned. Is that conviction or just plain stubbornness, or even insecurity.
Manager rating C- . Much room for improvement.
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Post by OohMac on Jan 30, 2022 8:25:03 GMT
All getting a bit heated this.
I dont think I need anyone to quote as I think my stance has been clear. We were in danger of going down, you cannot argue it was the form.
A lot will be made of the new recruits. All looking good. BUT still think, even with injuries we should have sussed out that Santos and Johnston as a two are a disaster. John is fading and whoever plays RB will struggle as they are not a RB. So why not go 5 at the back. The midfield 3 was not working because they werent protecting or creating enough. The wing play was indifferent and if teams sussed out Dapo we were snookered and Doyle isnt a lone striker.
All that said it seems to easy, even with injuries to say ok 532. Lets give it a try.
3rd best possession in the league and sitting 5th bottom. 3 wins. 3 clean sheets and below 50% in each game. Evatt ball didnt work. AND even with new players if he went back to 4231 it wouldnt work again.
I think even with his Barrow season it was the same rubbish first half of season and turnaround in Jan. Should we accept this and say ok we know how it will be now? Or should we say no, get recruitment right in Summer so we have a real chance?
Think the majority were not necessarily "evatt out" but evatt needs to change. I lost my faith/patience with him after the Hartlepool. Had we have played those covid games maybe Evatt may have gone. Despite Sharons comments. Remember Glaziers and Everton owner saying "Solksjaer/Benitez are going nowhere. They are fully backed" two weeks later both gone with no obvious replacement.
Would Evatt dodged a bullet with a bumper boxing day crowd watch us lose and slip into relegation zone?
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Post by chip on Jan 30, 2022 10:32:50 GMT
Morning all let's calm down yes we have just had a great win and that's what we want wins. In my opinion Ian is very stubborn he is slow to change things if you look at our results before winning our last 3 we had more possession but couldn't win or score, now the last 3 we have had less possession 3 clean sheets and 9 goals. So what's changed firstly better players have come in, secondly we are playing 5 at the back and lastly 2 up front now how hard can that be eh. I will admit I was worried about us getting close to the 4th from bottom team but now we sit 7 points above Morecombe with a game in hand and we still have to play them twice. So all in all we are doing well but I'm not going to get carried away onwards and upwards stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by andyl on Jan 30, 2022 12:33:30 GMT
Hmm, have travelled back to find a curious mix of hyperbolic euphoria and evidenced yet pragmatic sanguinity!
The first is easy to explain. We slog ourselves around the country for years on end, enduring frustration upon despair and then all of a sudden we experience an exhilarating rush from success. It's what keeps us going. That's why I can still feel a thrill at say Freddie Hill sweeping in the goal that beat Liverpool or Andy Walker Arsenal. If we we had the misfortune to be fans of the Manchester City or Liverpool currently we couldn't have anything like the same long lasting buzz or immediate ecstasy
The evidence though grounds us rightly. Sunderland were in a lull as rtf pointed out and as so often she called it accurately. The hope would be that Messrs Evatt, Atherton and Markham, paid to be so are every bit and more conscientious in their planning and elimination of risk.
I watched the supporters trust Zoom last Thursday and in such settings it's hard not to warm a little to Ian Evatt. He comes across grounded, far sighted and just stubborn enough. And he doesn't do things superficially. He also shows a sense of humility and more than a touch of sensitivity. Big Sam was the last manager we had able to do that and he also had a touch of humour. We only have to reflect on Coyle's lack of detail, Freedman's endless platitudes, Lennon's emotional distortions and variable focus and Hill's ramblings for the contrast. Throw in Megson's occasional rants at us and Parky's pleasant but stuck in the mud myopia and again Evatt emerges.
But then on match days we have seen the bullying, hectoring Evatt; the like for like substitutions; the bland statements of faith in systems or personnel clearly not fit for purpose and it's easy to see why at points last season and this, most recently the home Wycombe game, the Wigan game and a run of anaemic away games why the latter Evatt has trumped the former in consciousness.
One comment made at the BWST meeting stood out. Evatt argued that to succeed at Championship level, the direct football practised by the likes of Rotherham and effective at Division One, was no use and that BWFC had to lay the foundations of a style that would keep them competitive in the championship even if the road there might be longer. And I think we probably know from the Parky experience that this is a correct assessment.
So, assuming Sharon keeps faith in him and her money doesn't run out, our viewpoints have to be tempered by the very obvious point that the team is a work in progress. On the evidence of yesterday we have skilfully upgraded the team, but then we might have thought that at Ipswich. Yesterday gave us some hope and I think it was there for all to see that Sunderland are a good team in a bad trot, albeit without obvious stars. Last time we saw them they were a Parky team and for me not as impressive, so we were kind of seeing an Evatt team in opposition and we annihilated them with a blend of styles.
Set pieces were still abysmal. The passing around at the back was risky, every time Santos came near it but it did at least draw Sunderland on to counter attacks. Another team , maybe Cambridge will just sit back and render it pointless. Also Santos again lost men a time or two as did John and we gave the ball away horribly a time or two, Santos and John hitting second half and first a couple of shockers straight to onrushing opponents... So there is a very great deal to work on.
The hope here has to be that Evatt is learning and progressing as hardly any of his predecessors were able to demonstrate. The fear that his inexperience and match day persona will bring us up short. Yesterday changed nothing. We could still be relegated, although now unlikely. We could still be promoted, very unlikely. But touchwood we will make progress and we'll always have Sunderland. Let's hope the football played is for us BWFC fans the beginning of a beautiful friendship and we can evoke something of the good times under Sam as we play it!
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 30, 2022 14:17:13 GMT
Always nice to read what the other camp are saying following a heavy defeat like that
From the Sunderland Echo
“Not for the first time, Sunderland’s back four were too easily exposed by an imposing strike duo, in this case Oladapo Afolayan and Dion Charles. Both were superb, and perhaps it is worth noting that strong January recruitment and the return of some key players from injury mean this is a Bolton Wanderers side that will probably end the campaign closer to the top six than the bottom”
I thought these storms were alphabetically named and the next one is Storm Corrie Sunderland have just witnessed Storm Dion
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 30, 2022 15:48:15 GMT
I can't find the exact line i had in mind..i'm sure i was telling Andy we wouldn't go down, and you expressed some doubts too...something along the lines of...couldn't see where next goal was coming from etc. will have another look tomorrow...before you delete it this is yours form the hartlepool thread : "The build up from the back is just too slow and the system isn’t to move the ball forward quickly. Other teams do that as you say whilst we just fanny about going sideways and always allowing the opposition to get men back behind the ball. We do get men forward and you’re right about then leaving ourselves exposed at the back but the opposition don’t mess about sideways, they than pass through us onto goal. Evatt needs to wake up or we’re going down" and this is yours from the half term review thread : " Can’t disagree with much of the above and it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks because we are perilously close to the relegation zone and losing the home games coming up could really change things. It’s a pretty poor situation though, when the only reason we still prefer Evatt is in comparison to Parky. It doesn’t really say much does it but when you compare Parkys Neanderthal lump it forward to Evatt’s monotonous sideways stuff, is it really any different. The marks above are probably fair but I just think the players individually are better than that and it’s the team that isn’t. As a team I’d say no more than a C. Who then is responsible for that? Surely it can only be Evatt and his coaching team.Am I losing faith in Evatt? Sadly yes and respect too for the way he’s treated our young prospects. Politic, Senior, Darcy and Alexander have been treated appallingly in my opinion and if we had a fit squad, how much time would Thomason really get?
The jury’s now very much out for me on Evatt and if things don’t improve considerably, however much backing he seems to have from Shazza, things could change quickly if the fans get on his back, or he loses the dressing room, a distinct possibility for me. We still don’t know what happened with Sarce and even Doyle but it seems clear that Evatt doesn’t like to be challenged or have his methods questioned. Is that conviction or just plain stubbornness, or even insecurity.
Manager rating C- . Much room for improvement.Point taken rtf and I still accept everything I wrote there and whilst I stated I was losing faith in Evatt over his treatment of the likes offPolitic and Darcy, I never said I thought we’d go down, just that IE needed to pull his socks up, which he now has. I can though understand how you could infer it as you did and I’ll try and be clearer in future. On the “Evatt needs to wake up or we’re going down” thankfully he has and we won’t. 😉
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Post by owdonlad on Jan 30, 2022 18:28:29 GMT
I can't find the exact line i had in mind..i'm sure i was telling Andy we wouldn't go down, and you expressed some doubts too...something along the lines of...couldn't see where next goal was coming from etc. will have another look tomorrow...before you delete it this is yours form the hartlepool thread : "The build up from the back is just too slow and the system isn’t to move the ball forward quickly. Other teams do that as you say whilst we just fanny about going sideways and always allowing the opposition to get men back behind the ball. We do get men forward and you’re right about then leaving ourselves exposed at the back but the opposition don’t mess about sideways, they than pass through us onto goal. Evatt needs to wake up or we’re going down" and this is yours from the half term review thread : " Can’t disagree with much of the above and it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks because we are perilously close to the relegation zone and losing the home games coming up could really change things. It’s a pretty poor situation though, when the only reason we still prefer Evatt is in comparison to Parky. It doesn’t really say much does it but when you compare Parkys Neanderthal lump it forward to Evatt’s monotonous sideways stuff, is it really any different. The marks above are probably fair but I just think the players individually are better than that and it’s the team that isn’t. As a team I’d say no more than a C. Who then is responsible for that? Surely it can only be Evatt and his coaching team.Am I losing faith in Evatt? Sadly yes and respect too for the way he’s treated our young prospects. Politic, Senior, Darcy and Alexander have been treated appallingly in my opinion and if we had a fit squad, how much time would Thomason really get?
The jury’s now very much out for me on Evatt and if things don’t improve considerably, however much backing he seems to have from Shazza, things could change quickly if the fans get on his back, or he loses the dressing room, a distinct possibility for me. We still don’t know what happened with Sarce and even Doyle but it seems clear that Evatt doesn’t like to be challenged or have his methods questioned. Is that conviction or just plain stubbornness, or even insecurity.
Manager rating C- . Much room for improvement.Point taken rtf and I still accept everything I wrote there and whilst I stated I was losing faith in Evatt over his treatment of the likes offPolitic and Darcy, I never said I thought we’d go down, just that IE needed to pull his socks up, which he now has. I can though understand how you could infer it as you did and I’ll try and be clearer in future. On the “Evatt needs to wake up or we’re going down” thankfully he has and we won’t. 😉 AND its a belated Happy Birhtday young man
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Post by thegrud1 on Jan 30, 2022 19:55:24 GMT
sunderland sacked manager
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 31, 2022 12:13:20 GMT
Point taken rtf and I still accept everything I wrote there and whilst I stated I was losing faith in Evatt over his treatment of the likes offPolitic and Darcy, I never said I thought we’d go down, just that IE needed to pull his socks up, which he now has. I can though understand how you could infer it as you did and I’ll try and be clearer in future. On the “Evatt needs to wake up or we’re going down” thankfully he has and we won’t. 😉 AND its a belated Happy Birhtday young man Cheers owdon, like the young man bit. 😉 Don’t feel a day over 69!!
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