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Post by chip on Oct 23, 2021 15:49:42 GMT
Yessssssssssss ****ing get in 2-2
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 23, 2021 16:14:10 GMT
Kieran Lee popping in for a ‘Mark Robins’ moment to save Evatt
Could that be the turning point??
I doubt it
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Post by chip on Oct 23, 2021 16:26:33 GMT
Well great ending but a very poor game but why do we start so crap and slow, shoot and you have a chance anyway long drive home. Stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by Pedro on Oct 23, 2021 16:55:56 GMT
So what happened?  Two fantastic goals! |
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 23, 2021 17:13:57 GMT
Like I said, Sarce leaving could be a plus for us. Once Dapo went centrally as I’ve regularly called for, we looked a different team and surely Baka must partner Doyle now. Other than if Johnson’s fit to play, we need to start with the team that finished today, though to be fair to Aimson he seemed to play really well. Kachunga adds nothing for me and has had enough chances. I think once the changes had been made it really sparked the team up, there were outlets and we just overran Gillingham. It’s just been the pace of the game that’s hampered us, we’ve been too slow and static, giving the opposition far to much time to get behind the ball and at last we decided to shoot with 7 on target and the keeper having to make saves. When was the last time we said that? Let this be the turning point now, we’ve all week to prepare for Portsmouth so there’s no reason we can’t go there and win. If nothing else it’s put away the “lost the players” comments and I’ve certainly not lost confidence in IE or his system. He’s still learning and hopefully the last ten days will have a chastening effect on him? Brilliant come back, well done Whites and on to next week.
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Post by davidm on Oct 23, 2021 18:02:18 GMT
The last 10 minutes covered a multitude of sins in this match.
We set off with a couple of flowing moves and Sheehan was just wide with a touch.
But Gillingham had done their homework on us and, like Wigan last week, set about bullying our centre backs and it worked. Gillingham had two 6ft+ strikers and so they just endlessly launched the ball forward and these two won nearly every ball in the air and flicked it on for a colleague. Our two centre backs really struggled. They were outjumped, outmuscled and endlessly knocked off the ball.
We persisted with our slow passing out from the back and again, like Wigan, the opponents pressed us and we made many mistakes.
After 10 minutes, Williams was caught in possession just inside our half. The ball went down the left and immediately hit into the box where Santos somehow failed to cover and allowed the striker to flick the ball in. Rank bad defending.
A few minutes later yet another high ball into the box was weakly headed by Johnston straight to their man on the edge of the area who just placed it straight into the net. Again, dreadful defending – such a weak header from Johnston.
At this stage, we just could not attack. We had a couple of poor corners – how bad are we on dead balls? Sheehan put a free kick in which the keeper easily tipped over the bar and our defence still struggled. A corner was headed against the bar with no challenge from our defenders. We just continued with our pass, pass, pass across our back 5 and made mistake after mistake,
Somehow we got to half time only 2 goals down. It could easily have been more.
Second half, we expected some form of improvement but we still just drifted along. Mistakes continued – loads of miskicks – and a Gillingham forward found himself through on goal only for Dixon to pull off a double save to stop us going 3 down.
Time went on and we slowly upped the pace. Their keeper made 2 good saves from Kachunga and Doyle and Williams somehow put the ball over the ball from 3 yards out when Doyle headed to him.
We had though started to generate some pace into our game. Lee and Isgrove combined well a couple times but we just couldn’t create until with just 5 minutes left Afolayan created space on the edge of the box and scored.
This lifted the whole crowd and the team but time was still drifting away. The referee gave 5 minutes additional time – should have been more as Gillingham had deliberately time wasted from 15 minutes in.
We pressed again and John got clear down the left and put the ball in low and hard for Lee to sidefoot home.
We almost won it in the final minute when Afolayan shot just over.
At the end, it seems like a good performance but IT WAS NOT. It was dreadful for 80 minutes. The 1st half was atrocious, the 2nd half was better and then the final 10 minutes were excellent.
Marks:-
Dixon - 5 Excellent double save from a one on one which would have made the score 0-3. Some dreadful kicking which put us in lots of trouble.
Isgrove - 6 Did well to add to the attack
John - 5 A few mistakes which could/should have cost us. Did well to set up the equaliser
Santos - 4 Much too many mistakes. Regularly outmuscled
Johnston - 3 Won hardly any, if any, balls in the air other the one where he headed a clearance straight to the opponent to score the 2nd goal. Like Santos, outmuscled.
Williams - 4 Lost possession to start the move for their 1st goal. Missed an absolute sitter in 2nd half. Not as dominant as usual.
Lee - 6 Always busy and in the 2nd half stretched Gillingham. On hand to score equaliser.
Sheehan - 6 Some decent passes early on but his corners and free kicks were poor.
Afolayan - 6 Brought us back into the game and almost got the fairy tale ending in the 95th minute
Doyle - 5 One good shot well saved. Set up Williams for the miss of the match. Still desperate for better service to him in the box.
Kachunga - 4 Set off well for 10 minutes, then faded away
Bakayoko - 5 Tried to match Gillingham for power
Aimson - 6 Very steady debut as half time sub for Johnston
Delfouneso
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Post by OohMac on Oct 23, 2021 18:10:26 GMT
Well if his players are with him i'd like to know whether he sees conceding first goal 12/15 games is an issue. Ive never heard him address it and we certainly havent improved.
The style we play, the mistakes we make we'll get away with against 80% of L2 sides and 30% of L1(ive plucked them out of thin air) but top half L1 teams look like theyve sussed it and we're in a mini league fighting for top of mediocrity.
I know mid rant i'm wasting my time and that FV wont part with IE and everyone wants this project to work, they really do but its alarming how much Ian Evatt wears a Ferrari cap and drives a Ford.
Being a defender himself he should be hurt by every goal we give away, not sure hes bothered so long as we make 24 passes.
One thing i dont want is another "Phil Brown, Bring back Big Sam, or Kevin Nolan" debate. So thank god for Keiron Lee.
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Post by andyl on Oct 23, 2021 18:12:46 GMT
The positives: I think that if he looked carefully the strength of the team glowed.
Isgrove and John as attacking wingbacks
Dapo when central
Lee and Williams in midfield
We also got a glimpse of Aimson and perhaps three at the back. To do that Thomason must play left midfield. I like the thought of that. Sheehan would be in reserve but a great stand in or sub.
We also saw the worst which flows from Evatt for the most part.
The slow short passing or rolled ball to a marked man causes a lot of our problems. So too does short passing or over carrying. Several goals against recently have been self inflicted today Williams was the first culprit but Santos Sheehan also dropped clangers. It all comes from the manager. Nothing wrong with passing per se but passes have to be crisp for players to run on to- as indeed Thomasson plays.
Occasional sweeping cross balls or lofted balls are important. Lee and Williams and once Santos hit some splendid ones today and they got us going alongside Dapo's skill and centrality- he hit some awful passes earlier
It was a splendid fight back. Alas there were some lows, worrying lows. Johnston's aerial deficiency is really telling. Santos is the worst choice ever of captain and for much of today hopless in both boxes. He can't do it without Gilks his puppeteer.
Doyle too had no impact whatsoever just one glancing header which could have gone in off Williams. But O so poor in play today and invisible in attack
Bakayoko was weak. Kachunga if neat and achieving one header and one shot has no pace at all a complete mismatch as a winger.
The switch did help this week but it's only what we've seen for weeks.
I now worry about Dixon. Very weak aerially. All their corners looked as dangerous as ours were impotent
Dixon 5 Isgrove 7 Santos 2 Johnston 2 John 7 Williams 7 Lee 9 Dapo 7 Doyle 2 Kachunga 3
And yes Delfouneso came on and we scored two. Not I think cause and effect but he did play a bit part in one goal
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Post by chip on Oct 23, 2021 19:58:11 GMT
Just got home forget the first 80 minutes. Fantastic last 15 or so minutes and I'm sure that's the first time I've heard boo's at halftime it kills me at times watching our player's trying to pass it out from the back I'm sorry but the player's we have are not good enough to play that way when team's press us, we gave them 2 easy goal's yet again but for a cracker from Dapo and a tap in from Lee that could have been 4 defeat's on the trot. I really don't know what else to say except my lad said you could see that we was the better team but we are not getting the ball forward quick enough. Onwards and upwards stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by OohMac on Oct 24, 2021 10:26:26 GMT
More nonsense from Evatt saying we gave them a leg up by conceding early which is going the way at the moment.
At the moment??? Like hes done zero analysis all season. Also find it funny that he is keen to say "we're the better team" after defeat and lift the "moral cup" aloft. Yesterday Steve Evans says it should have been 6 or 7 nil after an hour. Evatt overlooks this and talks about our great character.
If you dont address mistakes how can you ever learn from them? Get the impression now Evatt has surrounded himself with his Blackpool yes men and no one(but Sarce) wants to tell him a few home truths.
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Post by chip on Oct 24, 2021 13:02:55 GMT
We all don't want to go back to the hoof football but we are in the 3rd division in real money and the player's we have and I mean no disrespect to them but we have 3rd and 4th division player's now IMO I think we try playing to our strength's getting the bloody ball forward a dam site quicker because at the moment it ain't working. Yes we have beaten some lesser teams playing this way but let's face it Ipswich, Charlton were up for a spanking playing to our strength's. Anyway 15minutes of good football is not enough against the better teams. We need to be on it next Saturday against Pompy 'cause there up for a spanking if we get the bloody ball forward and shoot on target onwards and upwards stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 24, 2021 17:37:33 GMT
Could be worse
Could be a Urinal fan getting beat to your fiercest rivals 5 to nowt at home😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by OohMac on Oct 24, 2021 18:11:43 GMT
For me its obvious. We play the same now as we did when we narrowly beat the likes of Barrow, Carlisle and Harrogate. We rode our luck so many times and the fans knew it- Evatt went on the Wanderers podcast to pull rank and told them to "get a grip". (Didnt like that at all. Seemed a bit picking on someone half your size).
We're playing league 2 football and league 1.
Bolton is not a place to learn on the job Ian, maybe a few more seasons would have made him a well rounded manager.
I dont want Evatt to be sacked, i know it aint happebing. What I want is evatt to acknowledge and recognise where its gone wrong and try and fix it.
I made the point exactly this time last season when Graham Alexander lost his job before our game. Have a word with him, ask him how he was planning to approach us. Because for me its obvious. They will keep it deep, pass pass pass, but go nowhere. Let them. We'll have a few set pieces and these are no good.
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Post by OohMac on Oct 24, 2021 19:05:40 GMT
Could be worse Could be a Urinal fan getting beat to your fiercest rivals 5 to nowt at home😂😂😂😂😂😂 Well im watching almost in anger at Oles interviews. What has he done to deserve that job? I'm not one for living in the past but Alex Ferguson WON the european cup to get a foot in the door at Utd. Sam Allardyce was in America, Limerick, Blackpool learning before Notts County and earnt his job at Bolton. Theres a fast track culture and its not right. You cant learn on the job for top clubs. |
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 25, 2021 9:46:42 GMT
By the same token OM, what did Ian Evatt do to earn his job at Bolton, not that I think we are a big club by most of the Premier League standards, but as you say learning on the job is exactly what Evatt has been doing...... trying to put his "gleaned out of books knowledge" into practise.
He's modelled himself on Pep and Bielsa. But, unfortunately, we don't have the personnel to play like City, and the Bielsa model is going well at Leeds at the moment......not. Considering he like to practise "murder ball" during training, we hardly ever see high intensity at work during matches apart from the last 10 - 15 minutes of games, when we are usually already behind and have to try to produce something. Our play is predictable, plodding and pedestrian.
Clough, Paisley & Ferguson all are considered to have played good football, all won the European Cup and din't rely on mega money to produce their teams and certainly didn't rely on this tippy tappy, pass it out from the back nonsence.
Paul Jones, one of our best ever defenders on GMR on Saturday was making some telling comments, and couldn't understand our reliance on constantly "farting about" with the ball at the back.
I see the Bolton over 60's walking football team won some tournament in Majorca. I actually think that at the pace we play most games they'd actually give our first team a good game.
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Two fantastic goals!
