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Post by westandlower on Jan 12, 2021 21:22:43 GMT
We might start with a formation, but what's the plan? Everything is painfully slow. Is Gilks distribution so poor (don't answer that) that he has to drop it at a CB's feet for them to hoof it out of play? Can't we ever start an attack from the keeper at pace? No one shows for throw ins. Worse than that they seem to hide. This also results in slow play allowing for the opposition defence to get back into position.
Thinking back to Chorley's game at the weekend. There was a lot of kick and rush but at least throw ins were taken within seconds of the thrower getting the ball to throw. This could only happen if the team was looking to attack, rather than not concede.
We might have some half decent players, but I think they are still confused by what they are being told to do. Either that of what they are told to do is complete garbage.
I cannot see any way of making the play offs and we're a million miles from automatic promotion. That means that we're going no where with Evatt unless it's down.
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Post by davidm on Jan 12, 2021 21:41:26 GMT
A few extra comments on the players:-
Gilks - Infinitely better than Crellin. He organises the defence and is capable of a number of good saves. I was bothered by his flapping at corners/free kicks tonight. I think he should have caught the last minute corner that they hit the bar with from an overhead kick.
Jones - Probably in his best position tonight and defended reasonably well. I would like to see him link the wide man more often.
Santos - He was OK tonight. A couple of silly decisions but overall he played well.
Delaney - Unlike AndyL, I thought he was at fault for their goal not Brockbank. He was so weak with his challenge and let their man into the box. His forward passing was appalling – a couple of which could have led to goals against.
Brockbank - I actually thought he was OK at left back. I accept that he is better as a central defender. I was happy to see him go forward quite a few times.
Sarcevic - He just seemed a second or two behind play tonight. He got caught in possession much too often and one pass in the second half almost gave Exeter a goal. Having said all that, I do like his desire to get forward and, of course, he created the goal. Despite this, overall he had a poor game.
Tutte - There are times when you don’t notice him which is not a negative. He filled the space in front of the defence and passed reasonably well
Lee - A decent first game. Some positive passes
Isgrove - I struggle with him. He gets into position to cross and then hits the first man much too often and his corners were not dangerous at all.
Doyle - A poor performance. I still think that a lot of his failings go down to an absolute lack of service to him.
Delfouneso - Did he play left wing tonight? He just never got into the game at all. Sloppy ball control, sloppy passing
Crawford - A neat little cameo which hopefully bears well.
Gnahoua - I never expected to praise him because so far this season, he has just been nothing but tonight, well he was excellent in his short spell on the pitch. In addition to his goal, he was involved all the time (please note Delfouneso!).
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Post by andyl on Jan 12, 2021 21:42:30 GMT
Just one comment wsl. I thought Lee was excellent on our throws- the best seen in ages. But generally agreed
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Post by OohMac on Jan 12, 2021 21:43:03 GMT
We play like Madrid in training, we prepare like Liverpool. And yet, any yet...
Ok, we spent 125k on Evatt so cannot afford to sack him? Well no.
Ian Evatt has no value to us now. So 125k has gone. But at the start of the season I value Ronan Darcy at £250k min. Maybe £1M. The way hes being used hes dropping 50k week on week. He will probably go for free.
Delfouenso at his age and with his capabilities is worth zilch.
If Delf is doing a job then fair enough he is worth a start.
Delf hasnt done a job since October. Regularly on 3 or 4 from 10s. No goals no assist and playing 90mins three times a week if allowed.
So basic maths. A bad old player worth nothing is playing whilst your asset is losing value by being ignored.
Darcy value under Keith Hill say £600k. Under Evatt £60k.
And no other player we have aside from Thomason(keith hill) is worth anything.
Sorry thats my Football manager economics and personal view in summary a L2 manager isnt worth losing a propsect over and we will lose Darcy
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Post by kenglowhite on Jan 12, 2021 22:55:41 GMT
I thought Lee was going to organise our team from central midfield, but he wasn't used that way, and thus our total lack of shape was emphasised, which along with the poor first touches, rank bad passing and poor wing play,. and thus no proper forward movements, meant we struggled against a team that was there for the taking. I thought Jones was hopeless in defence and attack, Sarcevic totally out of touch, and Isgrove again hopeless. Again the game cried out for a player able to hold and work the ball, like we have seen from Darcy, but again he didn't get a chance. I would have preferred to see Brockbank on the right in place of Jones, and even Mascoll at left back to cover for the unreliable Delaney. The subs did make a difference but criminally belatedly, especially when you consider Isgrove and Delfouneso, possibly shouldn't even have started. Increasingly I think we need a new man at the helm, because with proper organisation and selection we could be coasting this league.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 12, 2021 23:25:10 GMT
I just think the players we have are so poor no manager would get a tune out of them. I can’t defend Evatt over his treatment of Darcy and to be fair even Hickman from what I recall of him. Other than Kioso, he seemed much the best at getting forward and crossing the ball and to consider that Darcy couldn’t do better than Isgrove or Delfouneso I find incredible. However, he sees the players in training, he knows how he wants his team to play and will pick those he believes can deliver it. I just have to hope he can find at least one new striker because we are just so weak up there. To be fair, the service in to Doyle is non existent and frankly isn’t likely to improve unless Evatt has a serious rethink. Arthur Gnahoua had a good cameo tonight but may not play like that again for weeks if his previous form is anything to go by. I’m still backing Evatt but it’s getting harder with every game that goes by with disjointed and scrappy performances like tonight. We should have been seeing progress by now but frankly we just seem to be getting nowhere.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Jan 13, 2021 11:21:35 GMT
After the On rtf’s points. I am not sure that the manager is blatantly lying. He certainly did a good selling job for season tickets but is that not part of his job description? The comments regarding the pace of Santos, Greenidge, Gordon etc is clearly mis-informed.I am not sure that people have “never ending faith in him” because we do not want him out. He has clearly made mistakes – Crellin being a major one - but somewhere in all this mess there are still a few signs that he can make us into an entertaining successful side. I accept that if tonight turns into another disaster that my thoughts may change a little but thats the make-up of football fans. Onto tonight – by 7pm I will probably be forecasting a win but now I will happily go for 1-1. one final point on this. www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/18919607.bolton-wanderers-boss-ian-evatt-confident-will-keep-defender-ricardo-santos/Evatt is quoted in this piece saying he watched Santos for 2 years at Barnet ( while he was also with non league Barrow ). he says he knew all about him, and what he was capable of. so no, he wasn't just passing on Phoenix's view about the player or anyone elses. this may be my last post for a fair old time on here. no preview post. very busy with work at the mo. will do the odd one on the non-football side as less time consuming.
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Post by OohMac on Jan 13, 2021 14:43:05 GMT
Made that point too. He also stated he watched Kioso and wanted him in.
So all the good ones were him and all the bad ones were Phoenix even though some of the worst have links to manager and Gilks in Crellins case.
On another note I know, and as whites said promotion has to be the target. Be a boring season if you didnt set these targets. BUT if we did hit that target surely we would need another 20 player overhaul in the summer (for the 3rd season). Can we really keep doing that.
Might make better to remain in L2 with a core of a team, recruit in Summer 5 or 6 players. Go again in Jan and hope by the end we've slowly improved to a standard where we wouldnt just be L1 whipping boys.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 13, 2021 18:27:01 GMT
Why would we need another total clear out if we were promoted OM? I don’t see that at all. With the likes of Thomason, Darcy, Brockbank, Politic (when fit) and other young players like Edwards and Riley, we have a nucleus of players to build on. If you add in Lee, Doyle, Delaney, Crawford, Sarcevic and even Santos, plus those we may recruit in the next few weeks, I don’t see any need to be having another big turnover. Despite our problems, I really don’t think we’re a million miles off being a decent team and far better than most in this league. If Evatt can find one, or preferably two, decent strikers in the window, I see no reason we can’t seriously turn things round. Failing to achieve promotion this year would be a major blow in my opinion and also I’m sure to FV. We can’t afford to miss out because the chances are that any decent players we have may be picked off by clubs who can pay more and FV may decide they have to cash in where they can. I don’t underestimate the difficulty in getting up this year but still feel confident that if we can make the right signings this month, we can still move up the league quickly.
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Post by OohMac on Jan 13, 2021 20:12:52 GMT
Why would we need another total clear out if we were promoted OM? I don’t see that at all. With the likes of Thomason, Darcy, Brockbank, Politic (when fit) and other young players like Edwards and Riley, we have a nucleus of players to build on. If you add in Lee, Doyle, Delaney, Crawford, Sarcevic and even Santos, plus those we may recruit in the next few weeks, I don’t see any need to be having another big turnover. Despite our problems, I really don’t think we’re a million miles off being a decent team and far better than most in this league. If Evatt can find one, or preferably two, decent strikers in the window, I see no reason we can’t seriously turn things round. Failing to achieve promotion this year would be a major blow in my opinion and also I’m sure to FV. We can’t afford to miss out because the chances are that any decent players we have may be picked off by clubs who can pay more and FV may decide they have to cash in where they can. I don’t underestimate the difficulty in getting up this year but still feel confident that if we can make the right signings this month, we can still move up the league quickly. Whites the core group you name are so inexperienced. Youve got Darcy and Brockbank in there who rarely get a start. We dont know about Riley, Edwards or even Thomason. I agree that thats a promising core but hard to say that all of those thrown in L1 and think L2 would be a lot more forgiving springboard And thats if we can keep Thomasson and Darcy. The rest i have no real confidence in to be honest. So for me if we could harness those young players along with some of the dependable ones like Tutte, Jones, Doyle and then add to it with quality, not quantity. And fine tune it, rather than rip it up and start again.
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