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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 27, 2020 15:06:34 GMT
WOW........
Our beautiful game is in the depths of major troubles with the C-19 and the return of stadium supporters being placed into further doubt but if this is not bad enough to keep stadiums empty then that ‘handball’ decision given against Eric Dier (Spurs v Newcastle) to hand a very unlikely point to Newcastle will surely keep fans as far away as possible
It was a complete joke. Refs, linesmen, video ref, Stockley Park and poor ED couldn’t do anything about his flailing arm as he jumped up and landed.
Could not agree more with Jamie Carragher, this has to STOP right NOW for the sake of what’s left of our national game
That said, I’d take a VAR any day if it meant seeing the onion bag burst for a Wanderers goal. (Double standards there Rioch 😬😬)
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Post by OohMac on Sept 27, 2020 17:24:02 GMT
Agree to going to big screen. From there should be a series of questions.
1. Is the defender facing the ball. If no no penalty.
2. Is the ball struck from 10 approx 10 foot or less? If yes no penalty.
3. Has the player raised his hand or arm in a deliberate attempt to block the ball? No, no penalty.
4. Am I as a ref confident to apply common sense and stand up to Riley and Co knowing that football is about perception and not a one size fits all rule.
I havent seen a ref yet go to to the screen and back his own ability. Always gone with the "by the rules". Refs getting more robotic, which is what i assume Mike Riley wants.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 18:21:01 GMT
I have to take you both to the Daily Mailsports pages and Roy Hodgson complaining that this is ruining the game. he didn't criticize VAR, but criticized the handball rules. He says that even the refs don't agree with it. I agree with Roy when he says that we all knew the rules 'cos we all played it in the street, at school etc. but now we are at a time where we are subjected to rules that don't fit the game. How easy for players to flick the ball to hand and claim, knowing the rules are handball and a penalty. Man Utd had the same kind of last minute winner against Brighton and Everton vs Palace. Roy says that even if he had won by the same handball rule, it's still wrong and in my opinion, so is VAR! Our game is being/has been taken away from us.
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Post by kenglowhite on Sept 27, 2020 20:14:50 GMT
I think the way VAR is applied is totally wrong and expensive to administer. The cricket DRS is much superior. Why not give each side two reviews per half. This would allow a manager to appeal a decision and have it reviewed on the half-way screen by the 4th official, like the 4th umpire in the cricket pavilion. I cannot agree with the current interventions from outside the stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 21:57:25 GMT
Why bother at all with any intervention. Accept the game and let it flow. We have a referee, two linesmen, a fourth official. Maybe we need two goal line judges at either end, but all this other stuff is jobs for the boys/investors and putting the price of the game beyond reach of the working man, who's game it was initially.
A good example of a stop/go game that is hard to understand the rules, is the NFL. That is why the umpire has a microphone and he speaks to the stadium to tell them what infraction took place. I like the game, understand the basics, but the fouls... forget it.
Our football is like the old British way of life. You know you have to behave, but accept that life isn't perfect, so we get on with it.
e.g. a yellow card is a summary offence and a red card a criminal offence.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 17:52:09 GMT
So funny watching the mighty Spurs getting a decision against them as other than the red scum I hate them 😀😀😀😀😀😀
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Post by OohMac on Aug 3, 2021 17:58:27 GMT
After an awful introduction the 2nd season for VAR was even worse.
"VAR needs to go. Its ruining the game" so we thought. But hang on, the Euros came along and VAR hardly gets a mention. Decisions made in a timely fashion. Refs going to the screen, decisions left unless CLEAR and OBVIOUS.
So VAR can work. Never going to be 100%. That Sterling penalty can still be debated.
So now Mike Riley wipes the egg off his face and makes the crazy mad decision to use common sense. A decision that should have taken 2 weeks gets made 2 years later.
Basically its....
No more armpit offsides. Attacker to get the benefit.
Contact in the box does not mean Penalty. Consider motive and consequence.
Clear and obvious overturns only.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Aug 4, 2021 9:13:05 GMT
After an awful introduction the 2nd season for VAR was even worse. "VAR needs to go. Its ruining the game" so we thought. But hang on, the Euros came along and VAR hardly gets a mention. Decisions made in a timely fashion. Refs going to the screen, decisions left unless CLEAR and OBVIOUS. So VAR can work. Never going to be 100%. That Sterling penalty can still be debated. So now Mike Riley wipes the egg off his face and makes the crazy mad decision to use common sense. A decision that should have taken 2 weeks gets made 2 years later. Basically its.... No more armpit offsides. Attacker to get the benefit. Contact in the box does not mean Penalty. Consider motive and consequence. Clear and obvious overturns only. I hate VAR full stop Remember when you entered a corn flake competition to win a BMX as a kid and the terms and conditions clearly stated “The referees decision is final and no correspondence can be entered into” I still think it’ll take the impetus out of the game OooM We have been fortunate to have never been sat in a ground and had to watch and wait for 3 minutes whilst the bumbling refereeing entourage make a brew, go to the loo, then make a decision! You can’t celebrate twice, or celebrate then commiserate one self in the space of a few minutes, that’s just cruel and we are allowing computers and auditors to dictate our excitement. Fortunately, being a Trotter, we’ve escaped it, but if IE and FV have their way, we should be suffering VAR in 3 years Imagine VAR when Worthy scored THAT goal, or Dennis Tuarts overhead Wembley goal, Rooney’s bicycle kick v Citeh or Bales wonder strike v Liverpool Champs League? VAR could kill the best wonder goals of the future and I absolutely hate it with a passion What the FA needs is one of these top UEFA refs that reffed the recent Euro’s to replace the ageing useless Mike Riley, or someone like Perluigi Collina to run it |
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Post by OohMac on Aug 4, 2021 17:44:56 GMT
On the flip side to that is should Ireland have been robbed of a place in a major tournament for that Thierry Henry goal? Should Diego Maradona been able to punch the ball and knock England out of a major tournament. Should a player ever be sent off for mistaken identity? Lampards goal vs Germany isnt necessarily VAR but point remains if theres a chance we can eliminate wrong decisions we need to.
Lets not forget Gerry Taggarts goal vs Everton and how that season panned out.
Its poor at the moment but rugby league, Cricket, tennis all use technology to no detriment to the game and i'm sure football will find a way but not if we keep the same hierarchy of Mike Riley and not if we remain stubborn and dont fix things Monday morning when we know its wrong.
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Post by OohMac on Aug 4, 2021 17:49:06 GMT
Remember too that this season in big games we lost two players, and 2 points to Morecambe. They almost pipped us and the red card plus MJ the week after. Two bad decisions. Had we not have gone up that would have set us back so much. As a club, financially, as a community.
When so much is at stake you need to get most right.
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