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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 23:38:04 GMT
Would you give up yours to the club, or expect a refund? This includes AlpTrotter who has a season ticket for ifollow. Thank goodness, I chose it game by game., so you know my feeling.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 9, 2020 8:31:54 GMT
I can perfectly understand anybody who is short of money, or who feels they have paid for something they aren’t getting claiming a refund. Personally, though not a ST holder, I wouldn’t seek one though I would appreciate a gesture of some kind by the club for next season. It’s isn’t only football having this problem as pretty much everything has been shut down. I pay annually for my National Trust membership and they are offering 25% discount next year but have asked people not to take it as NT as a charity need the money. I know Wanderers isn’t a charity but it kind of feels like it is and because if it meant ending up like Bury I’d be devastated if I lost it. I’ve supported the Whites for coming up 60 years and if claiming a refund contributed to FV walking away and bringing the club down I’d never forgive myself. I am intending to buy a ST for next season after many years without one to help FV so I do hope people don’t play politics with it and leave the money in the club.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 9:00:34 GMT
It’s a very tough question unless you’re a full on season after season ticket holder it’s hard to give an honest opinion but for what it’s worth I do believe that as a show of good faith towards the life blood of our club ie the season ticket holders the club should give A) a refund if the fan requests it or B) a reduction in price if you had a season ticket last season. Me personally I don’t think I shall be bothering much with football after this is over as it’s just proved to me that football and footballers in general don’t give a toss about fans just how much money they can get. I will go to the odd game away and watch it on the 📺 but weekend’s will be spent with my wife and family stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on May 9, 2020 10:22:21 GMT
It’s a very tough question unless you’re a full on season after season ticket holder it’s hard to give an honest opinion but for what it’s worth I do believe that as a show of good faith towards the life blood of our club ie the season ticket holders the club should give A) a refund if the fan requests it or B) a reduction in price if you had a season ticket last season. Me personally I don’t think I shall be bothering much with football after this is over as it’s just proved to me that football and footballers in general don’t give a toss about fans just how much money they can get. I will go to the odd game away and watch it on the 📺 but weekend’s will be spent with my wife and family stay safe one and all COYWM It’s a shame to hear that Chip the club really needs real supporters like us at this moment in time but I do have to agree with you about it being a difficult decision given the selfish and inconsiderate way footballers and clubs have treated this situation. I myself have the same quandary between telling football to stuff it and the need to help Wanderers survive and hopefully recover. I’m just hoping that many of those with Sky and BT packages cancel so that it takes money away from the PL though I suppose that’s just not going to happen. For some reason people seem to allow football to get away with anything, even the government are doing everything they can for the PL just so they can bring in the cash. I wouldn’t want to wish the virus on anyone but you really do think some kind of football catastrophe from a restart is the only thing that will bring people to their senses. A high profile manager or player dying from this might just make people realise how stupid and dangerous restarting would be.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 11:30:39 GMT
The trouble is 63 there’s more people in government that seem to think that the public wants football more than anything else in the world. I don’t think that if Liverpool was mathematically certain of the title and other issues had been sorted out there’d be a problem with ending the season but hey that’s just my opinion. Don’t worry 63 I shall still be going to some away games and when I’m up in Farnworth seeing my son and grandkids I might take in a visit stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on May 9, 2020 15:13:48 GMT
You’re spot on with the government but then the PL has powerful representation there I’m afraid so irrespective that the majority of people I’m sure consider football unimportant at the moment, the lobby group will no doubt win out. As for the EFL, with the potential financial loss it would bring I can’t see any way our games will be completed so it will depend on a voiding or ppg system to finish the season. Still 50/50 for me whether there will be any relegations or promotions but hopefully we’ll find out soon what it will be. Knowing the numptys at the EFL it will be a total cock up and create considerable fall outs with those involved. Anyway, whatever you do Chip make sure you stay safe doing it.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 17:16:32 GMT
Will do my friend look after your family and stay safe. Last thing I will say is put ourselves in Tranmere’s shoes shudder to think but at the moment they are the team at the bottom with the most to lose three points behind Wimbledon with a game in hand now I cannot see them agreeing to end the season with them getting relegated so that’ will put a spanner in the work’s. I have nothing against us going down as our only defence is all the sxit we’ve had to put up with was down to our previous owners I will be glad when it’s all over stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by OohMac on May 10, 2020 9:56:37 GMT
In terms of season tickets at bolton this could be a game changer. Consumer confidence must be at an all time low.
Think about the long list of problems: people worried about large group events, 2 seasons in a row Bolton fail to complete fixtures(with little apology or peace offering so far). A poor economy. Job losses and reductions and people frankly unhappy with the industry on the whole and want to spend more time with thier missed family or just out of the routine and feel they dont need to consume football as much as they did.
Then throw in the poor performances and an exodus in players(whos going to come in and can they stop the rot or are they simply numbers to fill a cheap)
I think crowds of about 2000 could be on the doors even if it is "safe". I suppose theres little Bolton can do for many of these things but they should have stopped Direct Debits and they should be working on how to make it up to the fans.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 10, 2020 10:15:15 GMT
This is a discussion that will be going on at all clubs I suspect OM, not just at Bolton. Nobody knows how long it’s going to take before fans are allowed to attend games again because I don’t see any way social distancing is going to end until a vaccine or cure for CV is proved. Even then, as you say, many people will question whether going to watch football again is something they really want to do. Some will have found other ways to occupy their time, some will just have tired of the arrogance of the football establishment and others will just be as you say, too scared to go into big crowd environments. But it’s not just live games that I think will suffer, I think Sky and BT will feel a similar effect which for me could have a positive effect in a way if it reduces the silly money going into the PL and reduces the obscene and ridiculous wages being paid. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that we are on the verge of a major change in how our everyday lives proceed after the pandemic. However, that’s not for this thread, maybe in time we’ll need one for looking forward but for now I think it’s clear that however much football wants to resume, I just don’t see any possible way it can sustain itself at any level, until we are completely through the CV nightmare.
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Post by OohMac on May 10, 2020 16:25:31 GMT
Course whites its universal but Bolton especially are in a predicament as we have a 27k stadium with 7k tickets sold and probably only 5k actually turning up.
Think one of the reasons Ken gave up was that he just couldnt get those 10-15k back.
Now the new owners will need to find a way of getting 22-25k back on board. Not an easy task at the best of times.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 17:53:59 GMT
Just going back a couple of posts Oom, I think your estimate of crowds in the 2000 range are realistic. It'll be Lge 2 for sure, but what kind of team will we field. I'm still convinced that we'll be fielding part-time players. There'll be loads of players out of contract looking for a job. I'm sure also that clubs will work on the minimum of playing staff that they can get away with. The money isn't there anymore (was it ever since we blew the lot on Megson?) and there's no-one with deep pockets. So, they won't be giving back anything imo. Once bitten twice shy, but the season ticket holders have been bitten twice already. What are they going to give you as an alternative to the cash that they don't have? A cheap pie and a packet of crisps for a few games?
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Post by whitesince63 on May 11, 2020 8:13:59 GMT
Course whites its universal but Bolton especially are in a predicament as we have a 27k stadium with 7k tickets sold and probably only 5k actually turning up. Think one of the reasons Ken gave up was that he just couldnt get those 10-15k back. Now the new owners will need to find a way of getting 22-25k back on board. Not an easy task at the best of times. Ken could easily have had 10 - 15k through the doors if he hadn’t kept Parkinson so long playing boring football and ignoring the likes of ALF, Morris and the kids so I consider that self inflicted. I stopped attending because I didn’t want to put another penny in his pocket and I know many others did too. As for the stadium, I’m not sure it’s any more expensive to maintain a 27k stadium for a short period as it is a 12k stadium if nobody’s using it and it will be a long time until we get anywhere near 25k. We need a decent team first for a start. I’m not as pessimistic on crowds as you are, despite all the difficulties and think 5 to 10k is entirely possible once we are allowed to play again. Wots, it will be interesting to see what kind of a squad we have when we do restart and you could be right about part time players. I certainly agree that squads will be smaller generally and many players won’t get a club at all but I do think in a way that actually favours a bigger club like Bolton in that we are probably a better prospect than smaller clubs with less facilities. If there is a salary cap it makes us an even more attractive proposition, especially if we are in L2, which I still don’t think is in any way certain. We should know better on that today after the EFL meeting but whilst we ourselves couldn’t realistically complain if we were relegated there are numerous clubs who will rightly kick up a fuss if they are relegated, or not promoted on an artificial basis. Difficult decisions for the EFL and they haven’t a history of making the right ones as we know only too well!!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 10:48:45 GMT
I do believe that we will still get 10k next season as we are a well supported club what bothers me is that we are putting our faith in tom & jerry to start from scratch and build a team to finish in the top 7 to give us a chance of going up at the first time of asking. It's going to very difficult no matter who is in charge but I don't think they are up to it but who's ever in charge the fans will back them if it's going well as we all will. COYWM
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 12:23:19 GMT
I do believe that we will still get 10k next season as we are a well supported club what bothers me is that we are putting our faith in tom & jerry to start from scratch and build a team to finish in the top 7 to give us a chance of going up at the first time of asking. It's going to very difficult no matter who is in charge but I don't think they are up to it but who's ever in charge the fans will back them if it's going well as we all will. COYWM Correct me if I'm wrong chip, but you and whites won't be buying a season ticket and that's two off the 10,000. How many others, as whites rightly believes, will have found other activities to do instead of watching football. Not to mention the stain that greedy players have put on the game. Role models my backside!
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Post by whitesince63 on May 11, 2020 12:50:38 GMT
Not made my mind up fully on the ST next year wots. I’m really split between wanting to support the Whites, whoever owns them and being totally disillusioned with football and footballers generally and more particularly with their entirely selfish reaction to the current damage the country is suffering. Self, self, self, that’s all I hear from them whether it’s wage deferrals not cuts, or TV and sponsorship money. The whole industry since the creation of the PL has been about how much money they can rake in. Not content with shirt sponsorship, they now have sleeve sponsors and probably shorts sponsors to come. I’m sick of it, I just want to see eleven players who want to play for the club and supporters who are well paid, even very well paid at the top but not grotesquely so as they are at the moment. It’s completely ruined the game as us older ones knew it. If anything good could come out of this it would be the destruction of the PL and a coming together of football into four competitive and resourced divisions as it used to be. The average weekly wage of a PL player today is around £60k or around £4m a year compared to an average L2 player on £1200 per week or £600K a year. That’s still a hell of a wage compared to most people but the PL figure is way past ridiculous by any standards. I’m sure there are many who feel as I do and who will consider whether they still want to subsidise this and not just at Bolton and also not just with ST but TV views as well. I’ll wait and see how it all turns out and how long it actually takes to sort out but of course it may be academic anyway because I’m certain there will be clubs who won’t get through this if it does last a year and we may well be one of them!!
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