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Post by Alptrotter on Mar 7, 2020 18:55:14 GMT
Yes, wots, I do have a season ticket on i-follow to watch every game because I don’t live in the UK, Though sometimes, like today, I wish I didn’t have one. Another extremely mediocre football game between two largely ineffectual teams. How we are reduced to not being able to hammer the likes of this Wimbledon team beggars belief. Admittedly the conditions may not have helped, but it looked a decent pitch and yet neither team really tried to play the ball on the ground.
Hill seems to have gone the full Parky to me. Setting out to try to keep a clean sheet and regarding that as a triumph. For me, Lowe is no full back ( but is he anything, really?) , Fleming simply should not play ahead of Bunney ( I don’t get why he is rated so highly) Delaney doesn’t look great but needs to get minutes on the pitch. Midfield is a disaster with Hamilton and Crawford looking shadows of themselves, Luke Murphy still managing to stay on for 90 minutes and do nothing and Politic trying to carry the lot of them and inevitably failing. Dodoo cannot be better than Faal and Daryl Murphy looks like he can’t wait to leave at season’s end.
I may sound damning of the players, but, in truth I think responsibility lies with Hill. As with Parky before him, he has not improved one single player with his coaching.That, surely, is his job and he is simply not capable of doing it.
I’m really not sure whether I can be bothered to watch the remaining games. I cannot understand why FV do not get rid of Hill now and bring in someone else who would have the chance to decide which, if any of our current squad should be retained, Sacking him at season’s end makes no sense, but sacked he must surely be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 19:33:35 GMT
We need to ask ourselves as full on Wanderers fan’s what we want to see from our team before the end of the season, now I’m not talking about the manager as he is what he is? That’s another? for later, What I would like to know before I go out on the piss is what we would like to see from our players? COYWM
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Post by davidm on Mar 8, 2020 10:23:14 GMT
0 shots on target!
We are celebrating 0-0 against Wimbledon and Accrington!
How far have we fallen?
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 8, 2020 12:13:58 GMT
Spot on David, add in the last minute super save from Remi against Accy and the sitters missed by Wimbledon and it seems some people will find any excuse for dismal performances, which will probably all come crashing down again on Saturday against Peterborough?
In answer to Chips question, what would I like to see from the players, for a start I’d like to see a smile on their faces. I can’t remember the last time I saw the players look like they were actually enjoying being out there. I’d also like to see some partnerships developing on the field. We just don’t play like a team to me, with the constant chopping and changing of both personnel and their positions. What happened to the quick pass and move football we saw in the first weeks of Hills tenancy? It’s now more like Parkys lump it football with the same result. Why wasn’t Connor Hall at least given a chance up front? I watched Southend’s win yesterday with goals from 3 players averaging 19 years old, two of who were 18. At the start of the season we enjoyed performances and commitment from our kids but eventually all of them were replaced by loans and journeymen. Only DP seems to have endured, so much for building a base.
I’m afraid what I want to see from the players can only be delivered by a different manager, one who encourages as well as challenges players and doesn’t talk in riddles that nobody understands. I’d quote again as an example, Chris Wilder at Sheffield United. He took a team that had been struggling for years and turned them into L1 winners in his first season, got them promoted to the PL with almost the same team plus one or two loans and relatively inexpensive signings the second year and is now challenging for a Champions League spot having spent lose change compared to most other PL clubs but still with the core of the team he inherited. Living in S Yorkshire I listen to him regularly after games and I’m always impressed by his honesty and simplicity. His expectations from players are high and he isn’t slow to let them know when they’ve under performed nor when they have excelled. He must be a joy to work for because everyone knows exactly what’s expected of them.
I long for a manager like that. Since BSA left, we have had a succession of less impressive managers culminating in KH. If FV are genuinely interested in succeeding here they have to find a manager who can do what Wilder has done in Sheffield and previously Northampton. We may be in the doldrums now and probably still will be next year given the embargo but we are still a fantastic proposition for anyone with more than a twelve month timescale. I’d like a young, enthusiastic manager with everything in front of him and the time to build his own dynasty. Personally I’d give David Lee a chance and not through nostalgia but through confidence his attitude, experience and ambition will soon bring rewards. Whether that happens or not I don’t think KH has proved he is up to the job and needs to be replaced but I don’t think it will happen until we are mathematically relegated because no other potential manager would want that on their CV.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 8, 2020 13:41:12 GMT
My response to Chip’s question is pretty much the content of the thread opener.
Be brave, be bold, play with a smile, be allowed to be expressive, be cavalier, lose 5-3 7-4 3-2, show that we can excite and get the crowd going
Instead of flat 0-0’s V Accy and Wimbledon
Will I ever see the day where MUFC MCFC LFC AFC CFC ever grace the Reebok turf in a Prem match so that I can look back and remember the darkest of dark days of Lee Megson Coyle Freedman Lennon Parkhoofson and this ejit???😞😞😞😞
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Post by OohMac on Mar 8, 2020 14:35:06 GMT
May be a Keith Hillesqe tangent coming on but last night saw local boxer Bury's Scott Quigg getting outboxed, complete second best in every round from first bell. Commentators and fans/friends pleading with trainer to end it.
Another trainer summarised "You can be brave, you can take beatings for 12 or 15 rounds for what? So you can say you didnt give in? Ultimately if youre taking a beating and youve nothing left and when you realise youve no chance of winning then you need to stop"
I think we're at this place. Hill is taking too much damage, whilst his heart may think "i love being Bolton manager" and whilst he may delude himself that hes getting better ultimately its time for someone to come and save him. White towel time.
Unfortunately i'm not happy with the way FV are going about this. Im led to believe that its a 12 month rolling contract. If thats true i think there should be a review now. Either give him 12 months and announce your backing or tell him it wont be renewed so he can get out in his garden.
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Post by kenglowhite on Mar 8, 2020 22:31:58 GMT
To think back that Gary Rowett was available, and look what he's achieving at Millwall. While affording due credit, even allowing for the starting handcaps frequently pointed out by his supporters, no manager should survive after such a long run of failure, and particularly while there was still a chance of overcoming the main handicap, the 12 points deduction.
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 8, 2020 23:11:38 GMT
I agree, put KH out of his misery but I don’t think that will happen until we’ve been mathematically relegated. Once that’s happened and no incoming manager can be labelled as relegated on his CV there might be a chance of a change. Then again, if they are dismantling the Development Squad, that leaves David Lee free to potentially take over as caretaker for the remaining few games in which he’ll maybe have a chance to sell himself to keep the job permanently?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 9, 2020 12:41:29 GMT
In our predicament W63 I think if a straw poll was run, it would probably suggest that David Lee would be the top choice.
That said, sentiment can sometimes hinder real progress as we have found only too well with Coyle and this ‘Bolton lad’ Hill
Thinking out loud though, what’s Alan Stubbs up to these days? I know Rotherham didn’t go all too well for him but he’s been around long enough to have learnt from his previous managerial stints. Bring McAteer in as his number 2 with DL in there as well, what would we have to lose.
I mean, if Steven Gerrard can get a tune out of a bunch of low rate footballers, Stubbs and Macca would have every chance especially in League 4
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 9, 2020 15:46:36 GMT
Given David Lees success with the Development Squad and from his interview on the GMR Podcast, I’d personally have no hesitation in giving him a chance. It’s not about sentiment and to be fair to Owen Coyle, he was recruited after a really successful spell with Burnley and people overlook his original success with us too, it was only later that things deteriorated and Gartside waited far too long to act. You could say look at Stubbsy, Mecca and even Nobby Nolan and they would all be good shouts but for me I’d prefer DL with either Tony Kelly or Nicky Spooner. I was super impressed with his views on the game, how it should be played and how players should act and treated. I don’t think he’d suffer fools gladly? He’s 51 for goodness sake, not a kid and has worked under some terrific managers and if he hasn’t learned from that by now then he never will. As you say, if the likes of Gerrard, Lampard and Woodgate plus many others can be given big jobs straight from playing, then why not David Lee? Maybe FV feel they need experience but I think they’re wrong and like Blackpool I’d like them to think outside the box and when Hill is sacked when he’s taken us down, I see no reason not to at least give him a chance to impress in the remaining games.
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