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Post by OohMac on Sept 18, 2019 9:19:04 GMT
For all the positivites we can take its convinced me that we are down this season. Before i had a hope that a few wins would lift us. But were 16 behind possibly more waiting to come too and when the play the poorer teams at home and dont score doesnt look good.
Ill caveat that by saying for this season doesnt look good but the style and intent does look very promising.
Also add that all 3 strikers are out with mysterious injuries in some cases. We may have more Kirchoff, Stephen Ireland and Obasis on our hands.
Marc iles was criticial of set pieces last night. Its what PP exploited
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Post by davidm on Sept 18, 2019 9:34:30 GMT
Tremendous improvement.
What a difference seeing positive on-the-floor passing. Despite not winning, which we deserved to, this was good and will bring back the fans.
We tired badly in the second half and allowed Oxford back into the game but the first half was some of the best passing football we have seen for ages.
Defensively, we tightened up after the shambles on Saturday. Matthews started to dominate his box. Full backs got forward well and the central defensive pair won the majority of balls.
Midfield, Bridcutt dominated and the men around him passed so well.
Upfront, Buckley played well in chasing, harrying. He is not an out and out striker and we will improve when we get someone to hold the ball up.
First half, we could have scored 3 or 4. Buckley hit the bar when he should have scored after beating the offside trap well. Verlinden blasted over on the stroke of half time when he should have scored and there were countless occasions when the ball just didn’t fall for us.
Second half, we tired and Oxford had a decent share of possession. We obviously need to improve our fitness but this will come with time.
Looking at the points situation, I am slightly resigned to relegation but as I said a few weeks back I just want to see some positive attacking football after 2+ years of absolute mind-numbing misery. Well last night we got it. Good football. Out and out attack.
Well done – we were unlucky not to win.
Marks:-
Matthews - 7 Much better, in that he chose to come off his line and take balls. Must be a good confidence builder for him.
Emmanuel - 7 Much better than Saturday. Got forward well. A bit more fitness, which will come, should see a good season for him.
Chicksen - 7 Looks very steady. Did well. Will be a good signing.
Hobbs - 7 Won a lot of headers. Much much better than Saturday.
Wright - 7 Same as Hobbs – great improvement from Saturday.
Bridcutt - 9 Dominated midfield. Looks quality.
Lowe - 7 Much better in a more forward midfield role instead of last season’s holding position.
Politic - 7 Very tricky. Just lacks a little pace. Booked for diving.
Verlinden - 7 Again, very tricky. Missed great chance at end of first half. Tired but fitness will improve.
Crawford - 7 Very busy. Some excellent through passes.
Buckley - 7 Not the Buckley from the last 2 years. Should have scored but led the line well.
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Post by davidm on Sept 18, 2019 9:37:50 GMT
For all the positivites we can take its convinced me that we are down this season. Before i had a hope that a few wins would lift us. But were 16 behind possibly more waiting to come too and when the play the poorer teams at home and dont score doesnt look good. Ill caveat that by saying for this season doesnt look good but the style and intent does look very promising. Also add that all 3 strikers are out with mysterious injuries in some cases. We may have more Kirchoff, Stephen Ireland and Obasis on our hands. Marc iles was criticial of set pieces last night. Its what PP exploited I think you are being well over critical there.
We are where we are with the points situation and, Yes, I tthink we are probably relegated but last night's football was excellent.
We dominated, we should have won but we played with no strikers
and importantly
we entertained.
We have had 2+ years of absolute rubbish. Last night was a breath of fresh air.
Credit where credit is due.
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Post by OohMac on Sept 18, 2019 10:55:56 GMT
I never discredited the performance. It just sunk home for me last night that this season would be a bridge too far. As im sure Doncaster will given 3 points and no rematch and i fear for a further another 9 point deduction. Think the EFL will wait for everything to simmer down in terms of Boro threatening them, Bury still not really settled.
Had we have won last night I would have been convinced we had enough games. But to play well and not win may be a theme for the season
All about next season for me.
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Post by andyl on Sept 18, 2019 11:25:54 GMT
I think the Doncaster game will be rearranged and a points deduction pretty unlikely. We may get a fine which would be harsh on football ventures. The league has to admit and take some responsibility.
Paul is undoubtedly correct re the risk of being too positie too soon and also that we are just now catching up with what most teams do.
We need a 20 goal striker to survive. Put Mcginlay and Walkrr in there in their prime and we'd catch up with ease!
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Post by OohMac on Sept 18, 2019 11:42:45 GMT
I think the Doncaster game will be rearranged and a points deduction pretty unlikely. We may get a fine which would be harsh on football ventures. The league has to admit and take some responsibility. Paul is undoubtedly correct re the risk of being too positie too soon and also that we are just now catching up with what most teams do. We need a 20 goal striker to survive. Put Mcginlay and Walkrr in there in their prime and we'd catch up with ease! I cannot see how we can rearrange the game. If we won or even drew it would open up a can of worms that the EFL would be dealing with years down the line. Imagine the next team that picks up a few knocks, bit of a sickness bug just pull out, take a fine and play a game when they have a stronger squad. The only thing I can think is that we be allowed to play the game but no plater registered after the initial date can play.
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Post by kenglowhite on Sept 18, 2019 14:27:19 GMT
Regarding the EFL I am sick of people just lying down before their crass decision-making. They are supposed to be being looked into by some government body, and the BWFC supporters trust has around £20,000 subscribed to legally protest any further points deductions, particularly the Brentford game. I have stood idly by while the EFL have done their worst over the years against Pompey, Coventry and others, but it is time their swingeing actions were stopped, because what they are doing is penalising the people who put their money into football and sustain it through the gate while not tackling the real sources of clubs' failures.The hunger for a club to remain in existence bestows eternal credit on hard core Wanderers supporters and their home and away support as the team reforms is wonderful to experience, though their suffering has in part been brought about by EFL activity / or lack of it. A march on their Preston HQ would not come amiss. Last night was a tonic for us all, and we certainly deserved to win. If we can start getting points on the board, why should we resign ourselves to League 2 ?
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 18, 2019 15:34:02 GMT
Regarding the EFL I am sick of people just lying down before their crass decision-making. They are supposed to be being looked into by some government body, and the BWFC supporters trust has around £20,000 subscribed to legally protest any further points deductions, particularly the Brentford game. I have stood idly by while the EFL have done their worst over the years against Pompey, Coventry and others, but it is time their swingeing actions were stopped, because what they are doing is penalising the people who put their money into football and sustain it through the gate while not tackling the real sources of clubs' failures.The hunger for a club to remain in existence bestows eternal credit on hard core Wanderers supporters and their home and away support as the team reforms is wonderful to experience, though their suffering has in part been brought about by EFL activity / or lack of it. A march on their Preston HQ would not come amiss. Last night was a tonic for us all, and we certainly deserved to win. If we can start getting points on the board, why should we resign ourselves to League 2 ? Agree with that Kenglo and I think the EFL are under pressure at the moment and will not want to penalise the club and new owners further. as David says, I believe a small fine will be made for the Doncaster game, which will be rearranged. As we’ve already had a 3 point penalty and 1-0 win against us last season for the Brentford game, I don’t see any further punishment this season for that. It’s certainly going to be a tough ask but if we can get some functioning strikers, there are more than enough points left to play for in order for us to survive this season but obviously we need to start getting them sooner rather than later. Just as Rotherham was a poor indication on Saturday, so too I think was last night against an average Oxford team but as we get fitter and the players begin to gel, there is much to look forward to for the rest of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 17:20:15 GMT
I'm now starting to look forward to games with a little bit more believe that we can maybe win a few games and play a bit of football. I just hope we don't get a good hiding on Saturday from Sunderland as I'm going COYWM
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Post by OohMac on Sept 18, 2019 18:26:43 GMT
Regarding the EFL I am sick of people just lying down before their crass decision-making. They are supposed to be being looked into by some government body, and the BWFC supporters trust has around £20,000 subscribed to legally protest any further points deductions, particularly the Brentford game. I have stood idly by while the EFL have done their worst over the years against Pompey, Coventry and others, but it is time their swingeing actions were stopped, because what they are doing is penalising the people who put their money into football and sustain it through the gate while not tackling the real sources of clubs' failures.The hunger for a club to remain in existence bestows eternal credit on hard core Wanderers supporters and their home and away support as the team reforms is wonderful to experience, though their suffering has in part been brought about by EFL activity / or lack of it. A march on their Preston HQ would not come amiss. Last night was a tonic for us all, and we certainly deserved to win. If we can start getting points on the board, why should we resign ourselves to League 2 ? Agree with that Kenglo and I think the EFL are under pressure at the moment and will not want to penalise the club and new owners further. as David says, I believe a small fine will be made for the Doncaster game, which will be rearranged. As we’ve already had a 3 point penalty and 1-0 win against us last season for the Brentford game, I don’t see any further punishment this season for that. It’s certainly going to be a tough ask but if we can get some functioning strikers, there are more than enough points left to play for in order for us to survive this season but obviously we need to start getting them sooner rather than later. Just as Rotherham was a poor indication on Saturday, so too I think was last night against an average Oxford team but as we get fitter and the players begin to gel, there is much to look forward to for the rest of the season. Whole EFL thing reminds me of the war time poem "First they came" when it doesnt affect you turn a blind eye. Until it does. Still say we should refused to play EFL trophy. Not only is it nonsense anyway but a fingers up to them and the way theyve acted.
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