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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 29, 2019 13:43:48 GMT
I admire your optimism voiced on the BN site, 63 , that we might overcome the 12 points penalty and manage to stay in this league, but I am surprised you are not helping me urge the Supporters Trust and FV wage a campaign to have the points penalty and any further ones withdrawn becuase of the antics of Anderson and the apparent compliance with him of the former EFL CEO, Harvey. If that were achieved we might even be running for promotion. I’d support you all the way on that kenglo but I didn’t know anything about it. I will though write to the supporters club and urge them to do just that. I don’t for one man nuts think that we will get any reduction on the 12 points but it may help prevent any further penalties. I am optimistic for the season now Ken because I think with the right manager in who also feels that way, I believe we can recover the deficit. We will have to go out to win every game, no sitting back and what a change that would be? Anyway, whatever happens on the field, we must push on to get changes to the governance of the EFL which has really been shown up badly with ours and Burys situations.
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Post by kenglowhite on Aug 29, 2019 14:22:37 GMT
Like you I am just glad that we have a football club up and almost running. I await with some anticipation the marketing of season tickets, lift passes and parking vouchers, and wonder if the new owners will have some opening promotions up their sleeve for those who have not supported the club as keenly as us in the past. Have just read that Ken Anderson has settled for £240,000 in the FV settlement, while the Davies family have had to write off a further £7.5 million to partake in the settlement for the good of the club. I am sure there is a strong case to make against the EFL's complicity with Anderson, even though at ttimes during the last three years I have admired the way he seemed to be overcoming EFL rulings against us. It seems clear now how that was operating, and should be a strong plank in the case being made to get the EFL to operate in a better way.
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Post by thegrud1 on Aug 29, 2019 14:51:03 GMT
Hes effectively £5,240,000 better off....slimeball scumbag
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 18:04:59 GMT
Does anyone know or can they estimate the investment made by FV to take control of the football club and the hotel. And who the backers may be, PF drummer sounds like one.
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Post by OohMac on Aug 29, 2019 20:30:30 GMT
Yep, nothing to stop us now chip but are FV going to make signings first then employ a manager, or appoint a manager and let him make his own signings? Problem is the managers come and go and often leave their damage for years after. It took years to clear the deck of Coyles signings. Think we would be better getting a Director in who has a vision and let him have the say and the head coach. I can see that with the people there at the moment with Jimmy Julian working with Lee, Kelly, Spooner and McCann, etc.
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Post by kenglowhite on Aug 29, 2019 21:49:45 GMT
Although he couldn't ccoach for toffee, I have to remind you that Coyle brought us Stuart Holden, one of the PL's best midfielders when Johnny Evans did him, Marcos Alonson, and Rodrigo, now a regular for Spain. He made a mess by selling our best goalkeeper Al Habsi at the time to bring in N'Gogg, and I thought most of the others he used were loans. I think it was another Gartside gooly, because Coyle should have been moved on to director of football, and replaced by a decent coach, which is what we now require, and I fear once again us looking nostalgically to past players like Nolan and even Brownie. I would,however, give Lee and Kelly a go, but where is Lee? Player-wise I don't see Buckley geting any teeth, but I look forward to Hobbs playing alongside Zouma in this league, and I do go along with those who think and hope O'Neill might come in and organise the young players in midfield.Agree a striker is a no-brainer, but is it to be a quicksilver medium sizer, or a ball-holding six feet plus man ? And where so we get them from ?
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Post by OohMac on Aug 30, 2019 7:27:21 GMT
Sordell a complete panic buy. Ngog and huge wages paid for Pratley, Keith Andrews, Chris Eagles and Mears.
Rodrigo rarely played for us and we allowed Alonso to walk for free. At that age we should have constantly been looking for contract extensions.
Just feels like each manager has come in and had a lot of deadwood and the imbalance that they all talk about has never been resolved. Square pegs in round holes still seems to be name of the game.
Also weve gone for polar opposite appointments since Sam. Ultra defensive Megson, Freedman, Parkinson replacing attacking if not naive Lee, Coyle and Lennon. Why would you expect those managers to fancy thier predecessors players?
I think someone should set up how we play, find our ethos and recruit to that blueprint. The rioch way perhaps with the coaches we have and JP stepping to head.
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Post by kenglowhite on Aug 30, 2019 8:06:47 GMT
Yes, had forgotten about Sordell - a complete waste - and Of course I advised on here against Andrews (how the hell does he become a Sky pundit?). and how we missed El Habsi : But I think Holden was a gem and maybe because of him, Coyle could be forgiven some of the other transfer mistakes. Pratley is still doing it at Charlton, and maybe he was signed on too high terms. It wasn't Coyle's fault Alonso left for free and that we missed out later on a £24M fee. Agree totally on the style thing. One name not mentioned as a managerial candidate, and who I think is available, is Gary Rowette. He had some success at Burton, was sacked unceremoniously at Brum I think in favour of the useless Zola, and then didn't quite make it at Stoke after quitting Derby for them.
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 30, 2019 10:24:13 GMT
I do feel a certain sympathy for Coyle because as well as Holden, he also brought in Wiltshire and Sturridge on loan, both with great success. I think Owens mistake was not appointing a good defensive coach when things turned sour because like Parky in many respects but obviously completely opposite in style, he was either too proud or too inflexible to accept that what he was doing wasn’t working and implementing the necessary changes. He did play some terrific football in his time and but for Holdens injury would I believe have taken us to our first FA Cup final since 59. With better luck and a less egotistical approach, I think Coyle could have been one of our better managers but alas it was not to be.
It will be interesting to see which way FV go on it and they will have their own reasons for making their decision, other than on nostalgia or past achievements. They know they have to get this right because their fortunes as well as ours depend on it. They are all experienced business people and including Michael James, will make the decision solely on that. Next week should be interesting but whoever they do appoint, I hope it’s on the basis that they will use the talents of the people already within the club rather than bring in a cabal of their own as we’ve seen in the past. Personally, apart from Brownie, who I’d love to see manage the club, I think we have enough talent here already without bringing in an outsider.
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Post by Alptrotter on Aug 30, 2019 12:11:30 GMT
Like everyone, I'm relieved that the sale has completed. I must confess the 14 day period until final expulsion gave me worries that nothing would happen until that deadline.
As to managers, I don't know enough about those available at this level. Nolan hasn't pulled up any trees and Brownie is a bit too ego centred for me. The appointment of an older experienced hand like Keith Hill until a bright young coach like Dean Holden is available is attractive. Maybe Hill could move upstairs and handle all the admin stuff while Holden remained First Team Coach.
If who FV want is not immediately available then maybe they should stick with some combination of our current coaching staff. After all, we seem to have almost as many coaches as players!
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