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Post by davidm on Aug 19, 2019 15:09:43 GMT
Tomorrows match against Doncaster is SUSPENDED.
Apparently, we are concerned about the players welfare.
We will not get away with this for much longer.
We are in as bad a position as Bury now.
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Post by thegrud1 on Aug 19, 2019 15:50:25 GMT
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Post by thegrud1 on Aug 19, 2019 16:34:28 GMT
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Post by Alptrotter on Aug 19, 2019 17:44:29 GMT
“ However, it [EFL] would have expected the club to have first INTERFACED with the EFL, giving it an opportunity to consider the application to postpone, and consulted with the club’s opposition, Doncaster Rovers before making a public announcement.” ( BN)
Cripes, the EFL should dock itself at least ten points for such an appalling assault on the English language.
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Post by OohMac on Aug 19, 2019 21:00:41 GMT
Bolton have been let down badly by EFL and mainly Shaun Harvey. But EFL have tried with us. Allowing new players, allowing for young players and not dishing out further punishment for Brentford. But its obvious that they have had it with these false promises too.
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 19, 2019 22:01:12 GMT
Can’t really blame them OM, this must be hacking the EFL off as much as us but for the Administrators not to even inform them first that they were postponing the match is unacceptable and extremely unprofessional. To be fair to the EFL, they seem to have been incredibly lenient and accommodating with us so far. Personally, I don’t think it’s doing any damage to the kids, yes it’s tiring but we haven’t seen any evidence of injuries and for fit young men I can’t believe that 2 and 3 games a week is so damaging. I think Parky is overprotective and has pulled the game unnecessarily for his own reasons.
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Post by OohMac on Aug 20, 2019 7:34:50 GMT
There just doesnt seem to be any give and take with this squad. Seniors will use matches as leverage and i think management and ownership doing likewise.
Like yourself i read PPs "hung out to dry" comments and thought this isnt a guy who wants to play these games and what do you know match off!
I think we should have approached EFL and asked to be withdrawn from cup competitions. Let another premierleague team play an U21 in place and give Rochdale a bye. Try and rearrange our midweek games for later in the year when we hopefully will have recruits and let us bring in the trialist - as weve lost Magennis and Oz. If they cant compromise then it forces these decisions.
Theres a saying though "it is what it is" and i think PP needed to get his head around that. These young players are heroes. Theyre probably on cloud 9. Getting recognised in the streets, congratulated for thier efforts and they still are unbeaten at home.
If a deal does go through weeks like this will be over soon anyway. If takeover doesnt go though this is the team. Play or withdraw.
If PP was the PM...
"You cant expect these lads to fight on beaches...the landing grounds are no place for the young lads. We have a responsibility to keep them away from the fields and streets. Cannot ask these lads to go near the hills. We surrender(can someone pass the message on to the other teams)"
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Post by Alptrotter on Aug 20, 2019 8:13:19 GMT
“Personally, I don’t think it’s doing any damage to the kids, yes it’s tiring but we haven’t seen any evidence of injuries and for fit young men I can’t believe that 2 and 3 games a week is so damaging. I think Parky is overprotective and has pulled the game unnecessarily for his own reasons.” Agree entirely Whites. Maybe Parky feels the almost inevitable string of defeats will hamper his chances of keeping his job ( as if) I’d love to know what the young lads themselves think. I bet they’d play every day in front of such a supportive crowd, never mind twice a week!
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 20, 2019 9:07:58 GMT
Unfortunately Alp, I have come to expect no better from Parkinson, his negativity and profit of doom statements just illustrate perfectly what a negative, destructive character he is. Like you OM, we can only thank God he was never PM during the war, what a good analogy. The point he’s done it to prevent more poor results which could cost him his job is a good one. What a bonus for him though if he had instilled confidence and enthusiasm into these kids, played the football they’re used to and actually got some results. That could actually have got fans on side and saved his job. This latest action bringing more penalties on the club and his pronouncements of doom can only serve to hasten his departure once the takeover is complete. If he’s that unhappy and the situations so bad, why doesn’t he just leave, nobody could possibly blame him. I genuinely believe he thinks sticking in impresses people. Sorry Phil, you may have fooled a few people but the majority know the truth and can’t wait to see the back of you. Of course not playing removes the chances of us making that point during games!
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Post by andyl on Aug 20, 2019 21:25:17 GMT
Some good posts above. I think Parky and his team have lived in a beleaguered bubble for too long. They have seen strikes and somehow think they have the right now to call games off repeatedly.
It's awful. Even I would acknowledge that we should be automatically relegated to div 2 with all fixtures suspended and allowed back only if capable of fulfilling fixtures next year. It's wrong to call off fixtures. Where could it end. The league has to act quickly.
The only mitigation could be that we were in administration and only if Parky and team took full responsibility off the club andcadministrators and rrsigned en bloc.
In saying this I am not condoning the actions of FV, administrators or previius owner. But somehow we had a lifeline. Our excellent youngsters were holding the fort. I bet if we asked them they would say they were proud to do so and would have played every day to keep the flag flying.
I agree Phil insulted their efforts by oozing negativity, impossibility and fear. This postponemt was at least as much about him as them. The lifeline we had has been severed and whatever our fate we now deserve it. I for one am incandescent.
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Post by OohMac on Aug 20, 2019 22:07:29 GMT
Was just trying to make my point on the mothership(BN) and even I couldnt see an answer. I think weve really put ourselves in real danger of exclusion. Heres why.
Doncaster will want 3 points.
If we play with a stronger side and beat Doncaster they will say thats unfair(and it would be)
So for me Donny have to be given 3 points.
Coventry now pipe up saying "hang on- why did we play against this team but they werent ready a week or so later. Also the preperation for our game was awful. We want the additional 2 points. (Fair enough, give them 2 points)
Every other team now are saying thats not fair. Why should that happen. If youre going to give 3 points for them and cancel the coventry result you need to give every club 3 points. (Seems fair. Only it means we have to be excluded from the league and where to put us then?)
So good news lads. Not only do you not have to play against Doncaster because of welfare but also you dont have to play again this season. And you might want to look for other clubs too.
"But Gaff we said we would play. We wanted to play!"
"Dont thank me its for your own good lads"
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Post by OohMac on Aug 21, 2019 8:35:01 GMT
Already started with Danny Cowley at Lincoln saying its not fair that Tranmere benefited from an easy game and asking should we pull out of games when were not 100%?
That will start the ball rolling and it will snowball and end result will be 0-3 for all results. Bolton Bury exiled.
Whats worse is that Coventry sneak a playoff or avoid relegation and theyll still moan that they gained 2 points they shouldnt gave had. If Tranmere went down on goal difference they would kick off.
In truth we should not have started a season we could not...i was going to say finish. Were only in August!
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Post by kenglowhite on Aug 21, 2019 9:21:13 GMT
I know that other clubs have had the deductions for being in admin, and have made fairly substantial recoveries, but I wonder if this EFL punishment can be regarded as fair at all. In fact it does not punish the perpetrators of a club's fall from grace, particularly the financiers behind a club's downfall, but in fact the real people who own the club by the money they put into it over the years through buying seasontickets, mechandise, programmes and refreshmnets, namely the supporters, the real owners of a football club. I would like this barrister who reoresents us v HMRC,and Bassini, to be engaged to raise this point with the EFL. I have already contributed cash to the Supporters Trust with a view to fighting a further deduction from the Brentford omission, but what about the overall thinking of the EFL on these matters. Can it really be said to be fair to us, the paying public?
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 21, 2019 9:53:59 GMT
I know that other clubs have had the deductions for being in admin, and have made fairly substantial recoveries, but I wonder if this EFL punishment can be regarded as fair at all. In fact it does not punish the perpetrators of a club's fall from grace, particularly the financiers behind a club's downfall, but in fact the real people who own the club by the money they put into it over the years through buying seasontickets, mechandise, programmes and refreshmnets, namely the supporters, the real owners of a football club. I would like this barrister who reoresents us v HMRC,and Bassini, to be engaged to raise this point with the EFL. I have already contributed cash to the Supporters Trust with a view to fighting a further deduction from the Brentford omission, but what about the overall thinking of the EFL on these matters. Can it really be said to be fair to us, the paying public? Excellent post Kenglo and it mirrors my thoughts entirely. I think the EFL need to completely re-look at their rules and regulations and the way they punish and more importantly, who they punish. In our case, nobody still left at the club will be in any way to blame for what has gone on before. New owners aren’t, the new players aren’t and the supporters certainly aren’t. What Anderson’s done is akin to shoplifting, he’s come in here, stolen as much as he can get away with and run off with no penalty at all, yet the new owners are now suffering penalties for his actions. Do we penalise the shop owner for the shoplifters actions? Just ridiculous. There can be many reasons for clubs falling into Administration and I have no sympathy for owners who have deliberately overspent and put their club at risk or acted inadvisedly but surely, supposedly intelligent people can work out who and where the problem lies and act accordingly. The fact is that given the changing state of the game, more and more clubs are going to face this problem and the EFL are also going to face the problem of how to deal with it. The sensible thing to do would be to help and assist clubs like ours and Bury who have been deliberately damaged by crooked and irresponsible owners, passed as suitable by the same organisation now penalising us. Just adding more penalty points to our club is not helping but increasing the likelihood of liquidation, so how does that help football? The lack of buyers for a club like ours should be a flashing beacon of the problems they are creating. Why should any sensible person or group want to buy a football club of our standing and status knowing that we are as good as relegated with the points deduction, on top of which they are prevented from signing those players who might have a chance of saving us? The whole situation is ridiculous and I genuinely hope that the new owners, if and when we have one, consider taking the EFL to court for their complete mishandling of our situation and the way they ride roughshod over England’s clubs. As the Times said regarding this. It’s time the EFL were brought under the control of the FA so that they are subject to scrutinisation of Parliament and the full rule of law instead of their own made up Mickey Mouse rules. |
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Post by kenglowhite on Aug 21, 2019 11:48:51 GMT
Thanks, 63. it is time more of us were on this wavelength. There is an attampt by the Daily Telegraph today to develop some of our thinking, but unless something is done soon it could be too late for the existence of the EFL itself. As more and more clubs hit financial problems there may soon be no EFL in existence. I didn't like Alan Hardaker in the days when the Football League ruled all from cosy St, Annes, but I am sure he would not have sat idly by to let the elite clubs drain all the money out of a common pool, which is league football. Who is this Jevons woman, and what qualifications does she have to control such a universal sport? If she can't sleep at night for fear of losing founding clubs like us and Bury, what is she UJRGENTLY going to do about it.
FV have taken some criticism for apparently stalling on their takeover, but who can blame them if they are hesitatng to fund the unfundable, which a football league club is these days, without some form of financial protection in the shape of property investment.
I am surprised that the government, even the EU, haven't taken up the situation where footballers and their agents are now swallowing up the cash that we supporters are putting into the game , and this to be permitted to put in doubt the continuation of our most popular spectator support. I think all true football supporters should march on tyhe EFL Preston offices.
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