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Post by OohMac on Aug 10, 2019 23:06:33 GMT
He did well to protect Connell, Pritchard, Earing though. Completely agree. Has no faith in kids. Yet finds himself as scout leader. Ive no doubt PP can go into a club, strip it back to basics and get relative success. But not what we need and not what we want. Perhaps not KJU, but as I've said before, Parky should be given some credit for organizing, as much as he could, during pre-season. He has been thro' a lot, whether, or not you like his tactics. Sure they're boring. Now, he's spoken up for the club, as per the BN and the Nationals. He's told all at the top to get on with the takeover and in kind words told Bassini where to go. I can't remember the goalkeeping coach's name, but he hasn't been paid in months either, but still here, working today. I am perplexed as to why the senior players didn't play today. I thought that they had been paid. Anyone know the answer? Good to see whites 63 wasn't on gardening leave. I'll bet he'll be back for more. Get the pints in chip!!! Organised pre-season? Did i miss something or was our pre-season not 1 u23 game against York and some unofficial kick abouts. Parky worked under the biggest shyster going for 3 years and kept "dignified" and kept his counsel. For me thats shying away from it. His players have left him high and dry, basically everyone of Parkys near 60 signings has been and gone without making any profit on anyone of them. I personally think if PP has a coaching badge it demeans the whole system as i think you can get what he gives by any Sunday league manager.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 10:08:22 GMT
Going of subject slightly has anyone heard the real reason why the players refused to play yesterday and as that put them in breach of contract as being just a fan I don't know the ins and outs contracts and things. COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 11, 2019 11:43:22 GMT
He did well to protect Connell, Pritchard, Earing though. Completely agree. Has no faith in kids. Yet finds himself as scout leader. Ive no doubt PP can go into a club, strip it back to basics and get relative success. But not what we need and not what we want. Perhaps not KJU, but as I've said before, Parky should be given some credit for organizing, as much as he could, during pre-season. He has been thro' a lot, whether, or not you like his tactics. Sure they're boring. Now, he's spoken up for the club, as per the BN and the Nationals. He's told all at the top to get on with the takeover and in kind words told Bassini where to go. I can't remember the goalkeeping coach's name, but he hasn't been paid in months either, but still here, working today. I am perplexed as to why the senior players didn't play today. I thought that they had been paid. Anyone know the answer? Good to see whites 63 wasn't on gardening leave. I'll bet he'll be back for more. Get the pints in chip!!! Well don’t put money on your bet I’ll be back now Wots because yesterday was a one off and if Parkys still involved I can assure you I won’t. Some like OM think he might change his methods, others think we owe him something but I’m sorry, I can’t agree with any of that. Parkys never changed, he’s had money, yet he never changes so why should he now? Do we seriously think that more than one or two of the team fielded yesterday would play again once he’s brought in his next band of journeymen pensioners? I don’t. The guy is just not right for this club, certainly not at this time. We need someone who believes in youth, someone who can enthuse and encourage them. I just done see that being Parky, when did he ever do that? If Parkinson stays we are certain to be relegated. We may be anyway under anyone but if Parky stays we’ll get the same apologist excuses that it was because he had his hands tied, he had a poor squad, couldn’t spend any money. Well I don’t see it that way. Parky is a negative, unadventurous, overcautious manager down to his bootstraps and I’m sick of it and won’t support it. So keep your money in your pocket wots because as long as Parky is there, I for one won’t be. Yesterday was fantastic and it will remain as a stand out memory but it’s gone now and people need to look to the future and who’s best to build on it and that just isn’t Parkinson.
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Post by kenglowhite on Aug 11, 2019 12:15:23 GMT
Absolutely, 63, having seen many a youngster introduced into the team over the years, including the late Dennis Stevens, Brian Edwards,Francis Lee, Doug Holden, Derek Hennin, Kevin Nolan and many more, I am sure the reason we did so badly last saeson was Parky's faiulure to introduce any young players until it was too late. Has-beens like he relied on would have been inspired by the tenacity of the likes of whom we saw yesterday, and their maturity would have boded well for this season. If he has used Connell alittle earleir maybe he wold have been leading midfield for us yesterday instead of warming the Celtic bench. Parky is a really nice man, but not a very brave football manager.
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Post by thegrud1 on Aug 11, 2019 12:21:41 GMT
I didnt go go yesterday 1st home game I missed for years (season ticket holder)...the reason was I am sick of Parkys hoofball. All emotion and euphoria aside did we play football?.....honest opinion please
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 12:44:59 GMT
Perhaps not KJU, but as I've said before, Parky should be given some credit for organizing, as much as he could, during pre-season. He has been thro' a lot, whether, or not you like his tactics. Sure they're boring. Now, he's spoken up for the club, as per the BN and the Nationals. He's told all at the top to get on with the takeover and in kind words told Bassini where to go. I can't remember the goalkeeping coach's name, but he hasn't been paid in months either, but still here, working today. I am perplexed as to why the senior players didn't play today. I thought that they had been paid. Anyone know the answer? Good to see whites 63 wasn't on gardening leave. I'll bet he'll be back for more. Get the pints in chip!!! Well don’t put money on your bet I’ll be back now Wots because yesterday was a one off and if Parkys still involved I can assure you I won’t. Some like OM think he might change his methods, others think we owe him something but I’m sorry, I can’t agree with any of that. Parkys never changed, he’s had money, yet he never changes so why should he now? Do we seriously think that more than one or two of the team fielded yesterday would play again once he’s brought in his next band of journeymen pensioners? I don’t. The guy is just not right for this club, certainly not at this time. We need someone who believes in youth, someone who can enthuse and encourage them. I just done see that being Parky, when did he ever do that? If Parkinson stays we are certain to be relegated. We may be anyway under anyone but if Parky stays we’ll get the same apologist excuses that it was because he had his hands tied, he had a poor squad, couldn’t spend any money. Well I don’t see it that way. Parky is a negative, unadventurous, overcautious manager down to his bootstraps and I’m sick of it and won’t support it. So keep your money in your pocket wots because as long as Parky is there, I for one won’t be. Yesterday was fantastic and it will remain as a stand out memory but it’s gone now and people need to look to the future and who’s best to build on it and that just isn’t Parkinson. Whites, like Oom you have missed my point entirely. I wasn't talking about Parky's one dimensional football, I was talking about pre-season organization, given the turmoil the club was under. I even mentioned his boring football in my post. There's a little more to managing/coaching a football team as I have experienced myself and I'm talking about adults here. You think they automatically show up for a game and are prepared, even if they do show up? I know it's not much different on the professional level too. York game, at least two games behind closed doors and yes, even Parky had to wonder if players would even play if they turned up and we know that they didn't. He did at least bring trialists in and they didn't stay, because of the uncertainty of the club's future. Now you try to organize and try to help the club given the industrial dispute and the lack of guidance from admin and/or FV . What appear to be simple things, such as kit, boots, backroom staff, physio's. Like I said, more than just a 90 minute game and we all run down the pub for a pint. I'm not saying Parky should stay, just thanks that he did when he was obviously asked in some coffee shop. The trouble is, is that when we all jump on the anti-Parky bandwagon, we become blinkered at what is done to get a club organized. So, sorry lads, if he goes, he goes, but he has my gratitude for what he's done since the end of last season..
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Post by OohMac on Aug 11, 2019 16:08:00 GMT
Dont think we missed the point really just were coming at it from different views. And then we digressed further.
In terms of sticking around and trying to get a squad together yeah what a tough job and he did put together a squad of players and trialist that resembled a L1 squad. That we lost Wheater and possibly Conway, Pringle, etc is not Phils fault.
W63 you said i think PP will change. I do not. What ive said is that PP could change. In his 3 seasons here he was always 1 good win/performance from getting fans on side.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 17:13:32 GMT
Haha Wots I've just asked that question on the Ben about when Parky brings in his next batch of old heads something tells me not everything will be rosey in the camp when that happens and mark my words you will still get the usual crowd of fans saying Parky knows what he's doing fingers crossed he inter grates the old with the new. COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 11, 2019 18:09:27 GMT
OK I’m obviously missing a lot of points written but just so that nobody misses my point on Parky. Yes, I totally accept his commitment and skills in attending to the non playing side of club management. I accept his loyalty to the club, his work rate and his fortitude under the most trying circumstances. There is no question that he has handled himself impeccably but ultimately his job is to get results and get bums on seats. Huge fortune rather than skill, including having the remnants of a near Premiership squad, got us promoted in his first year. Three appalling teams, plus again huge good fortune on the final day, allowed us to stay up in the following season but last season, despite the issues, fully summed up his inability to adapt or change style or attitude. We’ve seen now how good some of these players are and yet none of them were given an opportunity to challenge Parkys journeymen who failed week in, week out. I don’t believe for one minute that more than two or three of yesterday’s squad will see first team action this year if he stays and even then it will be infrequently once he’s been allowed to bring in his next batch of nobody’s. Let’s make the complete change that I believe most fans want and at the head of that change must be Parkinson.
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Post by andyl on Aug 11, 2019 18:57:14 GMT
Hey, Parky! Leave those kids alone. They don't need no hoofball tactics. They still have some ball control. No midfeld chasms in the Reebok.Parky leave those kids alone! Hey, Parky leave those kids alone!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 19:04:58 GMT
Exactly my point in your first paragraph whites (I'm sure I could find one, somewhere) . I was coaching University students in a local league, who were 23/25 yrs old. Where's the game/late for training/late for the game/ forgot me boots. Good job that I washed AND FOLDED the strip. I know what Parky is going thro' with this takeover farce and lack of information. Credit to him also for stepping back during the game and letting Spooner and McCann to take the reigns. In fact, if we stayed with the kids and Parky stayed in a strictly administrative capacity, I see no reason for him to go. These are Lee's kids and Parky probably wouldn't know these guys names before Saturday. My opinion. Get rid of those who refused to play and stick with the kids. People such as ourselves like to see lads playing for the shirt, rather than expecting it. Also, it may get a new generation of fans thro the doors, as they would identify more with this lot rather than the has beens. Other than that Parky is on thin ice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 19:05:58 GMT
Hey, Parky! Leave those kids alone. They don't need no hoofball tactics. They still have some ball control. No midfeld chasms in the Reebok.Parky leave those kids alone! Hey, Parky leave those kids alone! That would make quite the chant on matchday Andy. Well done!!
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Post by OohMac on Aug 11, 2019 19:35:26 GMT
Think my view is pretty clear. Parky coukd rescue my cat from a tree and id be miffed that hes snapped some branches off.
I dont buy this St Phil view. Not that hes tried to create this but that the fans have given him.
Let me just give you this. When LB "took control" PP did not do his media commitments. He sent Parkin out, even though it coincided with Relegation. Odd. I think its fair to say Parky did not foresee a future with Larry(for whatever reason)
5 months down the line PP openly calling for LB to pack it in. Fair enough, we would all be happy to hear that LB has been shot out of a cannon and was last spotted exiting orbit but i think its a bit rich that a man can work under Ken and keep absolutely silent for 3 years and then attack a guy who has gone through the legal process to argue his point. Actually hes gone though the legal process and asked supporters to meet him. And turned up. Would Ken meet them? Would Phil himself?
Self preservation is the name of the game for PP and i honestlt think we would be in safer hands with "Spooner and McCann". (Which sounds like an 1980s American cop show that I would want to watch)
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Post by kenglowhite on Aug 11, 2019 21:39:45 GMT
I think everybody is agreed on that. At the same time because of his good conduct we are in some sympathy with him, but not with the place in which he has left himself, the team, and us supporters. But, I feel sure we sould still be in the Championship if Anderson had replaced him last Christmas and brought in a manager with more attacking policies, including bringing on some of the youngsters we saw yesterday. Alas KA had emptied the coffers and was unable to replace him. Regarding yesterday, there was no hoofball. There was nobody up front big enough to receive the ball in that way, and moreover, as Pedro has often advised, this lot of players have been brought up playing the ball on the ground. Even though they were under a lot of pressure against a more experienced Coventry, they still tried to do that. Finally I find it incredible that Matthew Alexander, the goalkeeper, whom I had never heard of, kept the eager Coventry attackers at bay magniicently at only 17 years of age.
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