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Post by whitesince63 on May 27, 2019 16:27:14 GMT
To be honest i think that is a bit naive. We saw this season that we left it too late and the pool we had left was of poor quality. Anyone out of contract will already have it plotted out. I imagine some of the players will return with thier tail between thier legs. Actually it wasnt too bad here after all. Unfortunately we would be in a position where we would take them back. As is stands this would be next seasons team Matthews Brockbank (vacant) (vacant) (vacant) (Vacant) Oztumer connell pritchard Magennis Hall. Think they are so far set to remain and do see your point that supplement that with 5 loan players and a few freebies and we may be ok but just think any player without a club on June 7th will be for a very good reason. (That midfield actually is far more exciting than the rubbish weve fielded for 2 years) I see your point OM but I still disagree that all the decent players will have sorted new clubs by June 7th. Most players will now be on long holidays and many will just accept offers through agents and decide later. You know from most pre seasons that clubs wait until late in pre season before tying players down to contracts for financial reasons. With clubs having much bigger squads these days and contracts being more expensive, clubs often try to reduce costs, move players on for reasons other than they are poor players. I'm confident that as long as our new owners aren't penny pinchers that we will sign some players with more than enough quality to handle a relatively poor Division 1.
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Post by OohMac on May 27, 2019 20:38:59 GMT
To be honest i think that is a bit naive. We saw this season that we left it too late and the pool we had left was of poor quality. Anyone out of contract will already have it plotted out. I imagine some of the players will return with thier tail between thier legs. Actually it wasnt too bad here after all. Unfortunately we would be in a position where we would take them back. As is stands this would be next seasons team Matthews Brockbank (vacant) (vacant) (vacant) (Vacant) Oztumer connell pritchard Magennis Hall. Think they are so far set to remain and do see your point that supplement that with 5 loan players and a few freebies and we may be ok but just think any player without a club on June 7th will be for a very good reason. (That midfield actually is far more exciting than the rubbish weve fielded for 2 years) I see your point OM but I still disagree that all the decent players will have sorted new clubs by June 7th. Most players will now be on long holidays and many will just accept offers through agents and decide later. You know from most pre seasons that clubs wait until late in pre season before tying players down to contracts for financial reasons. With clubs having much bigger squads these days and contracts being more expensive, clubs often try to reduce costs, move players on for reasons other than they are poor players. I'm confident that as long as our new owners aren't penny pinchers that we will sign some players with more than enough quality to handle a relatively poor Division 1. They probably sign the dotted line, hold up the scarf on that day but these deals will be in the pipeline for weeks if not months. Take Josh Vela, said his goodbyes and as far as we know no official links. Why would he be so keen to distance himself from his childhood club? A deal has already been done. That will be the norm in the majority of causes.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 28, 2019 16:32:39 GMT
Well I suppose that we'll just have to wait and see on all fronts OM. I think until we get some clarification on ownership and who the manager is, everything else is pure speculation, so let's hope that news starts to pick up and especially from the EFL on what our penalties will be next season. If it's too draconian we may not even get a new owner and the whole thing will be irrelevant anyway!!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 16:47:24 GMT
…" everything else is pure speculation, so let's hope that news starts to pick up and especially from the EFL on what our penalties will be next season. If it's too draconian we may not even get a new owner and the whole thing will be irrelevant anyway!!" … and that is a question that has always remained unanswered for me whites. What if no-one buys the club? Admin. can't last forever, or can it? We're mot the most fashionable club with a lot in the circles of the upper echelon in the EFL. Seeing us plumbed to the depths doesn't really bother them, but not fulfilling fixtures/strikes and on the verge of going out of business is not on their agenda. I've read on a few sites, the BN for example, that it may have been better to have been sent down to League Two, rather than struggle in League One and be relegated anyway. I'm sure we will be bought by someone, but operating costs of 25 mill. over two seasons is enough to put off the best of investors. At least you'll get to see Championship football at Barnsley, provided you're not still on strike whites.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 10:09:13 GMT
…" everything else is pure speculation, so let's hope that news starts to pick up and especially from the EFL on what our penalties will be next season. If it's too draconian we may not even get a new owner and the whole thing will be irrelevant anyway!!" … and that is a question that has always remained unanswered for me whites. What if no-one buys the club? Admin. can't last forever, or can it? We're mot the most fashionable club with a lot in the circles of the upper echelon in the EFL. Seeing us plumbed to the depths doesn't really bother them, but not fulfilling fixtures/strikes and on the verge of going out of business is not on their agenda. I've read on a few sites, the BN for example, that it may have been better to have been sent down to League Two, rather than struggle in League One and be relegated anyway. I'm sure we will be bought by someone, but operating costs of 25 mill. over two seasons is enough to put off the best of investors. At least you'll get to see Championship football at Barnsley, provided you're not still on strike whites. The answer to that is simple , the clubs assets will be sold piecemeal ,IE ground ,car parks , training ground until theres nowt left of BWFC ,it happened at accrington and look how long it took them to get back into the EFL ,and they still owe me money .
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Post by andyl on Jun 8, 2019 18:57:48 GMT
So, the administrators have announced that we await the Six. Meanwhile Killing Eve is back where all is driven by the Twelve.
With KA as ex owner and creditor, Phil P still in post and Bassini threatening to involve himself again it occurs to me that we might be better served by Villanelle and the Twelve?
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 9, 2019 6:16:12 GMT
Well either way it seems the EFL are dragging out the decision on any further penalties just like they dither over everything else. You would think a competent, fit for purpose organisation would understand the situation the club and potential buyers are in and ensure a decision is clear on such a critical factor but no, as usual, they drag their feet. What a complete bunch of no marks and they get to decide major decisions in our game let alone whether our new owners are also fit for purpose. They should have had more than enough time during the 3 week bidding period to make their intentions clear, yet nothing, not a word. A punitive additional penalty could seriously damage the prospects of any bidder buying us and force the club into liquidation so how could that be good for football? What a bunch of numb nuts. Get your fingers out and make a bloody decision so we can all know where we are or appeal against it.
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Post by thegrud1 on Jun 9, 2019 11:10:00 GMT
Any punishment announced now could make a buyer pull out......EFL probly think get a buyer in place 1st...then hit us with penalty
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 12:17:20 GMT
Well either way it seems the EFL are dragging out the decision on any further penalties just like they dither over everything else. You would think a competent, fit for purpose organisation would understand the situation the club and potential buyers are in and ensure a decision is clear on such a critical factor but no, as usual, they drag their feet. What a complete bunch of no marks and they get to decide major decisions in our game let alone whether our new owners are also fit for purpose. They should have had more than enough time during the 3 week bidding period to make their intentions clear, yet nothing, not a word. A punitive additional penalty could seriously damage the prospects of any bidder buying us and force the club into liquidation so how could that be good for football? What a bunch of numb nuts. Get your fingers out and make a bloody decision so we can all know where we are or appeal against it. Technically whites, we have already been deducted the points as punishment. It was the EFL who cancelled the game, thereby denying the club 3 points, not that it would have staved off relegation. Had the game been played, no matter who was making up the team, then the points were there to be won by BWFC. It's stretching it, but that's the EFL's way out of the mess that they created.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 9, 2019 18:32:21 GMT
I hope you're right Wots but sadly I don't think the EFL are sensible enough to work that out. Historically they seem to have been more interested in penalising clubs rather than punishing those really responsible. Let's just hope for once they use common sense and don't punish the fans, players and new owners, who have already suffered enough.
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Post by OohMac on Jun 9, 2019 21:00:19 GMT
I hope you're right Wots but sadly I don't think the EFL are sensible enough to work that out. Historically they seem to have been more interested in penalising clubs rather than punishing those really responsible. Let's just hope for once they use common sense and don't punish the fans, players and new owners, who have already suffered enough. If the new investors do have a few bob they would hopefully have a decent lawyer who would be able to make a convincing case for EFL to apply the "laissez faire" approach. I think 3 point last season, -12 this. Considering we didnt breach and FFP rules and spent £200k vs £9M incoming its pretty obvious to me that this was not a deliberate case but one of mismanagement/fraud or one man allowed to run a club into the ground. And the word allowed implicates EFL directly.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 10, 2019 9:14:11 GMT
I quite agree OM but we know that the EFL are more about penalties and trying to ensure other clubs aren't encouraged to do the same things. I fear that as this is a unique case where a team has failed to fulfil its programme, they will want to make an example of us. I hope they can be encouraged to see the 3 points deduction last year as sufficient but I have my doubts. I perfectly understand the need to come down hard on offenders but when the only offender here is one man who they passed as fit as an owner and had been made fully aware of the actions since he came into the club, surely they must show a common sense approach. Let's wait and see but I'm sure a new owner will have far more on their minds when they come in than having to fight for fairness from an organisation who themselves must accept a certain amount of responsibility for what has taken place.
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Post by OohMac on Jun 11, 2019 18:02:02 GMT
Well we whittle away to the would be owners, expect them to narrow down now like Tory candidates.
If we are given leniency and a takeover is complete we will draw a line under this but i think we should remain active and push for EFL to up their game.
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Post by andyl on Jun 11, 2019 18:56:34 GMT
Should we then seek a no deal with the EFL and take back control?
Hope the bidders aren't like leadership candidates!!@
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 12, 2019 9:19:56 GMT
Nobody should be going in for No Deal but equally nobody should just accept our being locked in to the EU by the current, ridiculous Backstop. Equally, the Administrators should look to get a deal for the club which suits all parties but corresponds with the original intention of securing the club's future. I can't think of one politician of any party who I would consider at the moment a competent Prime Minister and since we don't know who the list of bidders are, we currently can't confirm who our best owner would be either, so there's likely to be some questioning for a while on both counts yet Andy. For me, in the country's and the clubs interests I'd go for Boris and FV Ventures!!
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