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Post by davidm on Apr 8, 2019 15:45:17 GMT
Another home game quickly after Saturday’s disaster but is there any point to it?
We are relegated for sure and the so-called takeover issues seem much more important than tomorrows match.
On to the match – Middlesbrough have lost their last 6 games so should be down but how many times do we play teams on bad runs and let them beat us and regain confidence?
I expect our useless negative manager to play basically the same side as Saturday and with the same dour tactics.
He did mention on Saturday that the subs had done well so logic says that both Connell and Oztumer should start but this is Phil Parkinson!
I have mentioned a few times recently that, saying as we are surely relegated, we should only field players who we expect to be with us in league 1 next season.
What is the point in playing Williams and Connolly – they won’t be with us in August.
Hopefully neither will Buckley, Donaldson, Dyer, Hobbs, O'Neil, Taylor and Wilson so please none of those near the staring line-up.
Play next year’s team – we will probably lose but we will anyway regardless of who we start with.
As with the takeover, I want to see some forward planning and that includes a new management team.
I’m not looking forward to this match – it will be dour. We will have 1 shot on target and no doubt lose 2-0.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 18:34:01 GMT
"They’ve got no pace, their passing is slow, they are an ageing side, boring to watch and it does not matter if you can defend a 1-0 lead when you are behind. You’ve got XXX XXXX and are making a substitution on 86 minutes when you have been 1-0 down for most of the second half.
That, to me, is not good man-management. I like XXX XXXX, but you’ve got XXXX sitting on the bench and bring him on for three or four minutes to try get back into a game, that should have been done 25-30 minutes ago."
Sound like a team that we know? BWFC? A manager we know? Our very own?
No, that's former Boro player Noel Whelan talking about Boro and Tony Pulis and Jordan Hugill, on loan from WHU. Hugill has played 28 for Boro and scored 6. Not sure how many starts, but it sounds to me he's used as a sub.
Now back to the game. They're still in with a shout of the playoffs, so I think they'll jump all over this match and come out on top, especially if Hugill starts.
2-0 Boro and it's good night Irene for us.
As for the state of the club, yes, it's a shambles, but I think if anyone is going to take over the reins, then they'll be automatically approved by the EFL. Why else would they front money to the charlatan who holds the reins at present.
All the EFL need is for Bassini? to complete the deal.
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Post by kenglowhite on Apr 8, 2019 18:52:38 GMT
But is Bassini really interested, or indeed anybody ? It's gone so quiwt on that front it seems maybe Bassini ia just playing Ken'e fool until something crops up. Still no news of debts/ wages being paid. Marc Iles latest articles seem to give the lie to all that. At the same time in his matchday blog on Saturdayhe divulged a lot of names and information about what has really been going on - and not much of it was positive.For instance he reported that Peter Kenyon was around at Christmas. I think some of the candidates have hoped to buy with borrowed cash, and that would mot help with our cashflow so bad. I wish Iles would try to interview some of the prinipal locak players like Michael James and the Davies family to find out what hopes they and we really have, As for tomorrow's game the red button Sky calls. Being there with nothing to cheer is such a desultory experience, and under the circumstances who cares about the result, although three wins would make a difference, but no hope with the current management team
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 8, 2019 21:39:34 GMT
Summat tells me we’ll scab a win v Boro, which will make the defeat to Ipswich even more hard to take as had we beaten them and taken the 6 points, where would it leave us with just a handful of games left.stranger things have happened but that Ipswich defeat was a killer and that’s why we are down
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Post by OohMac on Apr 9, 2019 7:06:17 GMT
Is it on the red button? Even that is a drama for Ken. Choice between ours and Spurs City, no brainer.
What a chance after Ipswich to say we need you back on Tuesday buy your tickets now. Instead we just insulted the fans.
You may think this is harsh of me but i think PP now has lost the dressing room and the 2nd strike of the season proves that. I just imagine what Sam would do in that situation. Just beaten QPR and 2 home games and the playerd say "were not training". Im sure he would have got to the ringleaders and comvinced them that the best course would be to play the games, win the games and then they would be in a stronger position to strike.
I think PPs reluctance to speak out about Ken, even when Kens having pot shots at the squad, comes across as weak and a sense of looking out for number one.
Other people have said PP has shown great integrity. I disagree i think integrity would be saying if my squad are refusing to play theres my resignation.
To the match, how many leg ups do we gift to teams who havent won in x amount or a donkey striker who hasnt scored since 2015. Can see us doing it again tonight. I say that, i wont see us i'll see Champions League and might check every now and then.
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Post by Alptrotter on Apr 9, 2019 10:52:40 GMT
I must say I’m with David on this one. Essentially, the game doesn’t matter as far as 2018-19 is concerned. We irrevocably cooked our goose on that last saturday, though it’s also true that Parky’s ultra cautious approach earlier in the season denied us many easily achievable wins. So, as has been asked, what’s the point of tonight’s game? If the BN’s report, suggesting we might be in for a 12 month transfer embargo is true, that pretty much scuppers any takeover, I’d have thought. But either takeover or administration ( I’m making the perhaps dubious assumption that the EFL will not easily want to see one of its founders killed off) new owners will have to build a team around what we have and that means either promote the youth players or renew contracts on dismal failures. I know which I’d prefer. Which brings me to Parky. He is clearly not the man for my preferred option, so he should be dispensed with now and, as a stop gap at least, David Lee invited to give young players a bit of first team experience. I believe the crowd would be sympathetic and would support them, even if we didn’t win another point. The mood at present is toxic, no good for anyone. I just don’t understand why something that is so obvious to someone who has watched more or less all our games on ifollow or Sky from 1000 miles away, cannot be seen by those notionally in charge of the club.
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Post by andyl on Apr 9, 2019 10:53:51 GMT
I have made and had rebuffed similar points to friends. I can imagine Sam leading a protest but not passively colluding with one. There is an absence of leadership at all levels through the club?
As a further preliminary sublime goals recently from Deulofeu and Hazard. It's an absurdist caricature, I know, but I doubt that either of those players would be selected by Phil if at our club.
I repeat myself here at intervals through the season but for argument will here abandon equivocation re oppositions, physicality.
It is blindingly screamingly obvious that Erhun Oztumer is our most entertaining player to watch and by a country mile our most creative and exciting midfielder with the most likelihood of goal scoring, n'est- ce pas? All season we have had glimpses but no more.
On what planet he is to be equated and subordinated to Pritchard or Connell- and I like both- well it certainly isn't mine. On Planet Phil almost anyone else is preferred.
Challenged in interview he said Oztumer was doing well defensively but not getting forward enough!!! This week that he was doing better in training and got the nod just over Pritchard..what twaddle?
Of course to get the best from Oztumer something other than long aerial service and off the ball running by others or space finding is needed. And others have to do his defensive work- as is true for Hazard.
I remain 100% of the view that if Oztumer hzd played every match and if faith had been shown in Le Fondre early on we could be half way up the table, better off financially and more saleable
Phil is the football professional. He should know best. Does he?
Meanwhile off I travel twice in four days? I am in so doing the very definition of insanity. Shoot me down by all means.
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Post by Alptrotter on Apr 9, 2019 10:57:56 GMT
“There is an absence of leadership at all levels through the club?”
Says it all Andy.
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Post by greydad on Apr 9, 2019 12:49:52 GMT
The BN has PP suggesting that the 'forgotten man', Oztumer , might have put himself in line for a start tonight....I cannot believe that it is only in the last week's training that the player has shown himself worthy of inclusion! I was absent on Saturday, enjoying an unforgettable weekend in London whilst those at the Unibol endured what must have been a truly demoralising afternoon....it does seem that Oz did enough to make a nonsense of the manager's reluctance to select the player regularly, and I agree completely with Andy that a team built around him and ALf would have offered far more of a chance of retaining our Championship status. I hope Oz starts and that he has a positive impact on the game, but I feel utterly frustrated at his lack of game time in a side that has struggled all season to offer any creativity whatsoever....way too little and far too late from our manager.
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Post by OohMac on Apr 9, 2019 13:18:50 GMT
Made a similar point that most of our (fans) player of the year nominations would be the ones seldom used by PP.
Connell has been the bright spark this season, reminiscent of Zak Clough for Lennon. Lennon at least played his fans favourite.
Oztumber in the short game time has been given has shown glimpses of what kind of football we could get.
Pritchard too came in and did well. Almost too well for Parky. Its like Parky cant wait to shun these players and its not just this season. Cullen, Karacan too short to replace Pratley. Armstrong and Hall too short to play up front.
It is definitely time to let someone have a few games now to prepare for next season and build it around those technically better players.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 9, 2019 13:26:50 GMT
“There is an absence of leadership at all levels through the club?” Says it all Andy. Went for a coffee at the DeVere hotel I might as well have served myself it was that empty and the staff, all one of them couldn’t have given a 5hit if I had have helped myself. Once remember going to a wedding in there circa 2007 and it was vibrant, rammed and I thought, this is what football stadiums, weddings and corporate hospitality is about, it was a really great occasion And now🤔🤔🤔 I’ve seen noisier libraries Well done Ken Eddie and Phil Uncle Nat would be turning in his grave if he could see what’s happened to his beloved Wanderers 😞😞😞 |
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Post by andyl on Apr 9, 2019 18:29:39 GMT
Another bizarre team selection. Wilson!!!! Again no place for Oztumer. Connell preferred. No bench place for Murphy. No sign of Vela. Is it a reversion to the tried and failed two wingmen or is Sammy down the middle.
I xan't see the logic. Let's hope that Phil knows bwst🤔
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Post by OohMac on Apr 9, 2019 18:41:52 GMT
Parky cannot play any other way. Despite certain players letting him down he cannot drop them for good. Buckley for Noone.
Wilson in one man sums up Parkinson reign. A jack of all trades, utility journeyman who will be in ahead of younger players despite never getting above an average rating of 5.
Wilson, as ive said many times, has been on premiership wages for decade. He might not have spent a lot in terms of signings but Phil has wasted an awful lot of money and ive no doubt that we could have got better. In fact we already had better all along.
Incapable of trying anything new.
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Post by kenglowhite on Apr 9, 2019 20:01:03 GMT
It's no better on the red button than at the stadium. No cohesion, a lot of huff and puff, but NO FOOTBALL. Connell is trying hard with little support. Even when there's a chance of running through there is much square or back-passing. What has thia wonderful stadium come to after the sins of Gartside, Megson, and latterly Anderson/ Parkinson? Looking to the second half will the useless PP freshen things up with Oz and ANother, This is just such an occasion where LeFondre would have flourished. An Easter financial miracle needed.
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Post by andyl on Apr 9, 2019 21:44:28 GMT
What's to be said. A managerial omnishambles of the first order. The hapless Wilson was at fault on both the goals backpedalling pathetically on the 2nd as Fletcher made him look silly. Others notably Noone who is a hopeless left back and proved it many times over made contributory errors
Oztumer was afforded 18 minutes and despite the ball being above him most of the time and messing up one breajaway was a participant in three attempts on goal and ran off the ball delightfully. He's our best attacking olaywr by far.
Connell made a number of good passes and took the eye but played in central midfield was a defensive disaster as the men ran round the boy with ease. Williams had one good run but was otherwise marginalised. Magennis nodded a couple of headers from static positions but otherwise had no impact on the game. Olkowski was too far up the field to have much effect. Ameobi was lacklustre and dreadfully weak throughout until galvanised by Oztumer into a bad shot and a good shot to conclude
The takeover sets a context of gloom and despair. We will never know if another manager could have made a difference but this one is so poor a judge of talent and strategy that I'd argue he is our worst in recent history on the field at home..just has no idea about attacking?
Matthews 6 ( good saves from offside chances- distribution poor but improved from Sat ) Wilson 0 ( epitomising everything bad about PP) Beevers 5 Wheater 4 ( the three together would be outpaced by walking footballers!) Noone 3 Williams 3 Conneell 5 ( all for psssing and forward movement) O'Neil 5 Ameobi 3 ( all in the last 15) Magennis 2 Olkowski 4 Oztumer 6 ( only 18 mins but good as usual)
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