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Post by whitesince63 on May 29, 2014 6:24:22 GMT
I think OC would be really sick if he didn't get this one now. Personally I hope he does I have no axe to grind with him, he did do some good things here including a cup semi final which if it weren't for Holden's injury would I'm sure have been a final. The one thing that you never fail to deliver for me, is the ability to make my mind boggle!!!! (TW walks away scratching his head in disbelief). Well I wouldn't want to be too predictable TW.  I know it all ended in tears with OC, quite rightly I have to accept, but come on, you surely can't deny there were some good times with him until we hit the wall in that SF? He was sacked for it eventually but life goes on and I certainly don't wish him any ill will. If he gets the Celtic job good luck to him, he did have some good points and if he learns from his mistakes so much the better. What's wrong with that? |
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Post by megsontilidie on May 29, 2014 13:36:57 GMT
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Post by whitesince63 on May 29, 2014 20:09:23 GMT
Yes, looks like it's Keane's to lose now. |
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Post by torquaywhites on May 29, 2014 20:27:36 GMT
The one thing that you never fail to deliver for me, is the ability to make my mind boggle!!!! (TW walks away scratching his head in disbelief). Well I wouldn't want to be too predictable TW. I know it all ended in tears with OC, quite rightly I have to accept, but come on, you surely can't deny there were some good times with him until we hit the wall in that SF? He was sacked for it eventually but life goes on and I certainly don't wish him any ill will. If he gets the Celtic job good luck to him, he did have some good points and if he learns from his mistakes so much the better. What's wrong with that? Have you ever been to Hogwarts? The reason I ask is because I feel Hermione Granger clearly modified your memory.... Calamity was possibly the most inept clown ever to manage Bolton Wanderers Football Club, I really do believe we would be in League 1 if he had stayed!!!! I remember only too well the Coyle after match press conference.... "Och, I had a wee side selected that was good enough to win the world cup, and World Bog Snorkelling Championships, och!!!! The opposition had to play out of their wee skins ta beat da boys today, we will be the greatest team in the world once the luck turns our way Ocheye.. The fans, the fans are the best wee bawbags in the world, the greatest, superb, fantastic, wonderful, better than lawn sausage, battered Mars Bars.......... so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on" and........ fade until you wake back up.... |
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on May 30, 2014 5:47:25 GMT
Totally agree there TW !!
He was so far out of his depth from that semi final onwards it was frightening !!
All talk and by the sounds of it he did feck all in training to put it right !
He single handedly played a huge part in our downfall did that clown and should have quit for the good of the club !
Having said that, gartside should have got rid a lot sooner !
Comes across as a nice guy but he'll get no support from me on his future !
Tit
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Post by megsontilidie on May 30, 2014 10:09:30 GMT
DF this season. 14 wins in 46. win % of 30%. ( after making tons of his signings.. beckford, tierney, hall, baptiste, medo, moritz, cravies, + tons of loans ..to a squad that already included mavies, spearing, wheater, ream, mills, a defender he felt fit to be captain Zat so he clearly rated him..., plus our topscorer from the previous season Eagles etc etc. ) www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2013-2014/tableCoyle in ch'ship ( after we got relegated) played 10. won 3. win % = 30% ..even when we went down in that miserable season, OC still eeked out 10 PL wins. 10/38 = 26% win %. www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2011-2012/tableDF's only managing 14 wins in the ch'ship despite playing 8 extra games (38 to 46 ) against much inferior opposition. i'm not putting this up to defend Coyle. i hated him when he left, & i felt surely DF can surely do more on the training ground than OC. well whatever he does do, it certainly doesn't show... as flawed as OC is, for me OC > DF & that speak volumes for how highly i rate Df. i don't  |
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Post by whitesince63 on May 31, 2014 6:44:26 GMT
Well I wouldn't want to be too predictable TW. I know it all ended in tears with OC, quite rightly I have to accept, but come on, you surely can't deny there were some good times with him until we hit the wall in that SF? He was sacked for it eventually but life goes on and I certainly don't wish him any ill will. If he gets the Celtic job good luck to him, he did have some good points and if he learns from his mistakes so much the better. What's wrong with that? Have you ever been to Hogwarts? The reason I ask is because I feel Hermione Granger clearly modified your memory.... Calamity was possibly the most inept clown ever to manage Bolton Wanderers Football Club, I really do believe we would be in League 1 if he had stayed!!!! I remember only too well the Coyle after match press conference.... "Och, I had a wee side selected that was good enough to win the world cup, and World Bog Snorkelling Championships, och!!!! The opposition had to play out of their wee skins ta beat da boys today, we will be the greatest team in the world once the luck turns our way Ocheye.. The fans, the fans are the best wee bawbags in the world, the greatest, superb, fantastic, wonderful, better than lawn sausage, battered Mars Bars.......... so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on" and........ fade until you wake back up.... No I haven't been to Hogwart's TW and I wouldn't want Hermione Granger to wipe my memory of all things OC or I'd miss the joy of seeing the likes of Wilshire, Sturridge and others he brought in when times were good. I certainly wouldn't want him back as he was but I don't in any way overlook his good points. I maintained all along and still do that if he had brought in a strong No2 or Coach, let them deal with the technical football matters and concentrated on his man management skills it could have been a successful outcome. Sadly he didn't with the result we all now know. Unfortunately I believe DF has just as little coaching and judgement ability and nowhere near the man management skills of Coyle so to me however bad OC was we've at best stayed the same or worse still gone backwards. This season will tell for sure. Dougie now has his own players his own back room and a bunch of youngsters coming through, some I admit he brought in himself, so there should be no excuses for anything going wrong. Forgive me if I'm less than impressed by his recruitment of those very players who presided over the boring and lamentable performances we saw last season but as Hermione has not wiped my memory of those either I don't have a great deal of confidence things will be any better next year. Out by Christmas is my forecast with Wanderers languishing at the foot of the table. But I hope I'm wrong!!!  |
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on May 31, 2014 6:53:52 GMT
Coyles man management ? Don't make me laugh !! It was a feckin free for all do as you like holiday camp !!
There's a huge difference whites between being a well liked nice guy and successful man management.
Direction, discipline, tough decisions and stern man management were needed following our wembley humiliation. That's when coyle was found out big time ! He was clueless, way out of his depth and lacking in absolutely everything needed to pull a team through bad times.
What you see happening now with Df are disciplined decisions, direction and a short and long term plan. He's settled the place down, weeded out the shite and disinterested, for the first time in years we've done business early and he's started to rebuild the place under financial conditions most managers would have run a mile from.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 31, 2014 13:56:30 GMT
Coyles man management ? Don't make me laugh !! It was a feckin free for all do as you like holiday camp !! There's a huge difference whites between being a well liked nice guy and successful man management. Direction, discipline, tough decisions and stern man management were needed following our wembley humiliation. That's when coyle was found out big time ! He was clueless, way out of his depth and lacking in absolutely everything needed to pull a team through bad times. What you see happening now with Df are disciplined decisions, direction and a short and long term plan. He's settled the place down, weeded out the shite and disinterested, for the first time in years we've done business early and he's started to rebuild the place under financial conditions most managers would have run a mile from. I could put a very different slant on it BTID but for the risk of repeating myself I won't go through it again. Next season should tell anyway and if DF proves to be the measured professional you think he is I'll be the very first to hold my hands up. As for managers running a mile from us I think that's just a stupid comment. Finances or not we're still an attractive proposition for most quality managers and whilst we're on that it didn't seem very financially smart to sit two of our highest earners Eagles and Mears on their arses most of the season then paying to bring in loanees who weren't as good. Ditto for the others he sent on loan without giving them a real chance. We'll never agree on this so best wait until next season to see who's right. |
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on May 31, 2014 15:59:30 GMT
Don't need to !! it's me !!
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Post by whitesince63 on May 31, 2014 16:26:51 GMT
Don't need to !! it's me !! I like a confident man. We'll see won't we? |
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Post by wotsupnow on May 31, 2014 18:36:04 GMT
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Post by wotsupnow on May 31, 2014 18:39:57 GMT
whilst we're on that it didn't seem very financially smart to sit two of our highest earners Eagles and Mears on their arses most of the season then paying to bring in loanees who weren't as good. FYI, whites, Eagles and DF got into a spat mid season... and when push comes to shove, the boss always wins... that's why he sat out... Eagles will play out down South somewhere next season... |
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on May 31, 2014 19:16:14 GMT
From what I heard he became very disruptive and completely non compliant !
He's a great example of a modern day footballer only interested in money.
Good player on his day but once again well done dougie for sticking to your guns and enforcing some discipline back into the club !
Coyle went badly wrong because the players took over, Df hasn't and won't make that mistake !
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Post by megsontilidie on May 31, 2014 19:28:17 GMT
Coyles man management ? Don't make me laugh !! It was a feckin free for all do as you like holiday camp !! There's a huge difference whites between being a well liked nice guy and successful man management. Direction, discipline, tough decisions and stern man management were needed following our wembley humiliation. That's when coyle was found out big time ! He was clueless, way out of his depth and lacking in absolutely everything needed to pull a team through bad times. What you see happening now with Df are disciplined decisions, direction and a short and long term plan. He's settled the place down, weeded out the shite and disinterested, for the first time in years we've done business early and he's started to rebuild the place under financial conditions most managers would have run a mile from.    . RTF you really have to sort this site out. some of these accounts are being hacked far too easily. surely only DF's agent could have come up with that load of twaddle. weeded out the *****..he doesn't do that....he appoints them Captain !! . i totally agree with Whites, OC's man management was definitely a strong point. not perfect but way better than DF. it did grate when he went overboard positive on everybody, but you'd certainly want to play for him. OC never slagged Megsons signings. he talks them UP whether he wants them or wants them out. DF talks 'em down ...then wonders why the hell he can't shift them . he's fell out with Eagles..fell out with Mears. fell out with SKD. fell out with his own signings..Craig Davies. CYL looks thoroughly unimpressed at being played left wing half the time when he does well playing right wing for his country, yet he brings Feeney in and immediately plays him right wing and drops his inverted wingers policy..charming ! . now if reports are true, he's fell out with another of his own signings Baptiste. the likes of Sturridge & Wilshere would happily give testimony to OC's help..talking them up...believing in them. i'm not PL obssessed. i don't care if we finish 1st or 19th. if we're signing the best players for our budget and the manager is getting the most out of the players, you can't complain after that. but IMO that latter bit is nowhere near true at the mo. |
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