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Post by thegrud1 on Mar 6, 2019 13:10:25 GMT
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 6, 2019 17:57:38 GMT
He may be a liar grud but I also think many of the points made are fair. I don't think many of us would have been able to reduce debts as much as Ken has and I do have some sympathy with some of the actions he's had to take to achieve it. That said, he hasn't always done it as feelingly as he could. It's clear that some of the actions taken by supporters have hastened his exit, although clearly that doesn't assist or create buyers. Thankfully from Kens statements it appears that a deal has been done and we can hopefully look forward to a brighter future.
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Post by OohMac on Mar 6, 2019 19:02:16 GMT
I have defended Ken more than most and still to this day say i cannot be angry with a businessman making money on a 50p investment.
Ive said on the mainland and probably on here. Y1 Uncle Ken. Went into bat for us time after time, deadline days full of excitement from being in embargo to signing Ameobi, Alnwick, etc. We had a squad to compete for the title. When we looked tired, we played the system and picked up Karacan then reregistered Pratley to push us over the line.
Y2- back in 2nd tier and commercially we looked much better. BetFred across the shirt and Kia sponsorship. No more Fibrelec. It all seemed that off the field was looking good and we knew really 4th bottom was the best we could get.
Y3- Disaster. Panic stations. Bad decision after bad. Panic signings 6 or 7 old hats to replace the 6 has beens we rightly let go. ALF gone with no back up. The youth model polar opposite of what we see and pre-season farce. For me thats when Ken should have said. Im out. Highest bid and walk away.
Ken took a club on its backside, took a paintbrush and paint to it and then waited for the cracks to appear again. And worse. He did not waste millions and millions of parachute payments, he did not sign exuberant deals for inadequate players, he did not cause the downfall of Bolton(as i believe is made out)
People say he took £500k from us. So what? Amos took that from us for being someone elses substitute. Pratley took that. Jay Spearing took that and said cheers but im going back to the premier league. Later got washes up on blackpool beach.
Kens biggest problem is ego, vanity a desire to be seen to be "not a crook" but unprepared to stop doing unsavoury things and to not admit when hes wrong. In truth the reason why eddie davies is well thought of still is probably because he was the organ grinder and let a monkey take the hits.
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Post by kenglowhite on Mar 6, 2019 20:03:23 GMT
I have always said that Ken will have earned our support if we have a club left to support at the end of all this. The tension he creates is hard to bear, but whether we believe how he got involved or not and for how much he did take on a bankrupt company and has probably worked hard to see the many crises through, I remember the late PG constantly referring to "soft debt" meaning his ability to manoeuvre very bady Eddie Davies's funds. I wondered at the time when he sold all our Burnden Leisure shares down the river to bring in ED whether it was really necessary at the time, as we were in the PL, attracting gates of 27,000 and receiving Sky cash. He seemed to make the long contracts of our stars an excuse for his activities, apparently running scared of the contracts he had negotiated with Big Sam and using this excuse to rid us of Sam and to start wasting ED's money. I can't really understand how Eddie let this happen, and we remember how this led to the wasteful Garry Megson years. Fancy ousting a player iof Ivan Campo's quality as a money saving exercise. True he was geting old, but he could still have been useful as a sub and training influence. That and other examples( the refusa; to let Sam sign the African striker) blew the heart out of the club, and it has never recovered since. So I hope Ken gets whatever money he feels he has earned, and look forward in hope that we get new owners who have us true Boltonians at heart ASAP.
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Post by thegrud1 on Mar 6, 2019 20:31:15 GMT
It does seem as tho some are happy with the way our club has been run for the past 2 yrs....I for one dont believe that the end justifies the means ...he has took us to the brink needlessly numerous times(£5 mill loan)...played dice with employees lives...banned reporters....and thats only what we know of...leopards dont change their spots and he certainly hasnt
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 6, 2019 21:47:34 GMT
Why does Ken purposely drag our name to the gutter though and take us to the 11th hour on everything he does? I cannot forgive him for failing to act following his October speech re changing the course of our downturn when in reality he did bugger all than keep this ejit in the managers chair!!! That’s unforgivable We only want to see the ball in the opposing net and 3 points on the board as often as possible, with Parkhoofson, that’s impossible and only going to get worse
And I still don’t believe Ken has a buyer
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Post by thegrud1 on Mar 6, 2019 22:18:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 22:34:35 GMT
Sorry for this but I will be well and truly glad to see the back of him all he has done is take take take, he's used money from the sale of players and the parachute payments to keep the club going and he's almost single handily kept the worst manager we have seen for years at the club so good riddance to bad rubbish. COYWM
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Post by kenglowhite on Mar 6, 2019 22:47:29 GMT
It is strange that he was allowed to take it over in the first place, but since then he has been a victim of circumstances and having to steal from Peter to pay Paul. He has got out of jail many times,but that has been because of the club's wretched finances - not something he has brought upon himself. We should all remember that the reason for the state we are now in is the late Gartside's mishandling of things, and unfortunately Eddie Davies allowed him to.No wonder Ken is frequently hard to find. If Ken does manage to secure a takeover, which admittedly looks less than certain at this time, we will still have a local club to support and that would please us all. Meantime we need a new manager ASAP.
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Post by OohMac on Mar 6, 2019 23:52:11 GMT
Sorry for this but I will be well and truly glad to see the back of him all he has done is take take take, he's used money from the sale of players and the parachute payments to keep the club going and he's almost single handily kept the worst manager we have seen for years at the club so good riddance to bad rubbish. COYWM The parachute payments were long gone by Kens time. (I wrote more but deleted it as i think its disrespectful. But in terms of blame i place Ken 4th on the list)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 5:24:14 GMT
My apologies I got carried away with the get this man out of our club brigade but whatever he has done or not done it's been a shambles and we are almost back we're we started in the first division with no money hahahaha. COYWM
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Post by kenglowhite on Mar 7, 2019 11:01:47 GMT
At least it looks as though we will still have a club to support. I wonder if PP will be moved upstairs with the title of "Long Ball Coach".
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Post by andyl on Mar 7, 2019 15:15:43 GMT
I think that Ken Anderson's latest column is a heart on sleeve attempt to put his perspective and I have no issues with it of significance. It is paradoxical that we have an owner who has tried to communicate as best he can whilst being criticised for it when the previous regime said nothing and created financial mayhem and were barely disregarded. I have said before that criticism of the Andersons as football fans is wide of the mark. I've had conversations with them after games and whatever else can be said or will be said I am 100% convinced that they took BWFC to heart and were as knowledgeable about and interested in the football on the pitch as any of us.
Also paradoxically we have seen a most loyal and appropriate support for a football manager as a manager could ever wish. Who else enjoys that?. Even in this latest column Ken is still bristling with general loyalty to Phil and the professional staff. OK, most of us, I think, probably like Phil but would wish him gone on the basis of results and what we have seen, but I don't think Ken's loyalty to him is praised enough by us nor Phil actually.
And thirdly the campaign from the off conducted by the Supporters Trust and latterly most openly by the Bolton News' reporters has incited social media outbursts and it has as often as not been proved factually incorrect. Someone said to me recently that if the club needs new owners the BN most surely needs a new reporter(s)- who on football matters I hasten to add is no better and no worse than many, albeit a far cry from Gordon Sharrock, but who has been signally unimpressive in recent weeks and certainly no BWFC fan. If KA was the only person standing between the club and liquidation why keep on the daily vendetta and risk him clearing off and leaving us to it. I have evry sympathy with KA re this aspect of his latest column.
In respect of the back history there have been comments from amongst others, ken jung un, ken glowhite, whites since 63 to which I have little to add. I think that history will be kinder to the Anderson regime than many comments now are.
All of that said I have no clue what will emerge over time. Owners rarely speak well of their predecessors. Also I have no idea how much money KA/LA have made from the club or indeed lost to it any more than historically any understanding of Moonshift for Eddie D. I suspect that we will find that Eddie D's death precipitated many of our current problems. He continued as an open ended benefactor to the very end and clearly KA lent on him more than we realised. In financial terms businesses are apt to cite profit and loss accounts as KA does here and these can often be presented more favourably than they might deserve to be. We seldom see honesty about cashflow problems. Some of you have more business experience than I do. Am I wrong to think that to a business cashflow can be everything in terms of its survival? There have clearly been huge cashflow problems hanging around the bwfc neck,a millstone of enormous proportion. Yes we can jump and down about people not being paid for a few days and it has to be worrying for those affected and it isn't how an owner would wish to operate. But of businessmen amongst you is there anyone who has never had to let someone go or take a decision creating worry and uncertainty?
OK none of it is ideal and it's certainly not good to be in the news for all the wrong reasons and KA has made mistakes and may have done lots else that I or you would not approve if we knew it. But I can only say that for me this season will be remembered for the stultifying, negative football and underachievement on the field and a sense of hopelessness more or less unparalleled in my long time as a supporter-- I have almost lost interest and it isn't because of KA!
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 7, 2019 20:48:42 GMT
Excellent analysis Andy. Though it's impossible to actually feel sorry for KA, I do think you have to have a certain degree of sympathy for the level of criticism he's had from some quarters. His recent piece on the club web site outlines many of the obstacles he's faced and often from areas like the supporters club and BN, where he should have found support given the difficulties he inherited. He never stated that he had the funds to maintain the club long term, indeed he was only a stepping stone so ED could actually withdraw, which is why Eddie backed him I believe. His was a short term measure which I think he initially carried out well. Unfortunately I think costs finally overwhelmed him and the robbing Peter to pay Paul could only go on so long. Personally I respect the actual job he's done whipping the club into shape even though I don't like some of his methods. My big problem with him was keeping PP although as you point out, he seems to have trusted him thoroughly and maybe the quality of football was one of his lowest priorities, whilst to fans it is number one as long as the clubs running. Anyway, let's hope the deal concludes and take it from there.
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Post by thegrud1 on Mar 7, 2019 20:57:05 GMT
White / Andy you do know his past ? He,s not a bloody novice at his game....its obvious he came in to make a fast buck and eventually the walls caved in....live by the sword die by the sword NO EXCUSES
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