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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 21:17:15 GMT
Fxck me 1-0 up fingers crossed COYWM
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 21:19:08 GMT
Connolly I think COYWM
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Post by thegrud1 on Feb 12, 2019 21:24:59 GMT
winning 1-0 and its awful to watch from both teams
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 21:42:18 GMT
I don't believe yesssssssssssssss get the fxck in each and every player tonight we're have you been COYWM
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 12, 2019 21:45:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 21:55:46 GMT
At long last we have a win hopefully he has learned something tonight you can't keep playing 1 up front and he might think about giving it a go for the rest of the season. COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 12, 2019 22:07:31 GMT
Unexpected but welcome result tonight. Not the greatest game and Birmingham were terrible but really committed performance all round, especially Donaldson and that fantastic late save from Matthews. We need to build on this now and Parky needs to both keep a settled side and retain two up top. It wasn't a classic performance by any means but there is something there to build on and Parky needs to realise we can go for wins not just defend. Will he though? I Remain to be convinced.
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Post by greydad on Feb 12, 2019 22:13:39 GMT
Jack Dearden and Super John both more impressed with work rate all round, and from the 2 up front in particular, what a surprising and welcome result. Injuries to O'Neill and Wilson might be a blessing in disguise on Saturday if it means a younger and potentially more mobile midfield, Murphy has been unlucky not to have played more and Pritchard has not let the side down thus far.(Not to mention our most creative player, Oztumer of course, perhaps he might make the bench!). Whether or not there will be 2 up front against Norwich remains to be seen, but regardless of it helping in terms of looking for goals it also offers more in terms of defending from the front and giving the opposition defence more to think about. It would be great if this wasn't the only good news this week.
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Post by Alptrotter on Feb 13, 2019 9:20:29 GMT
I don’t think anyone in their right mind would describe this as a classic, though I suppose 0-1 is a classic Bolton Brum scoreline. Wanderers were resilient and focused all match, in stark contrast to the feeble effort against Preston. It undoubtedly helped that, for once, Parky played two up top. This enabled us to hold the ball better and higher up the pitch (I’d be surprised if we didn’t have 40+ % possession), to defend better there and to prevent them swarming all over us. It’s not rocket science, but it’s taken our coach far too long for that penny to drop. Brum were strangely tentative, though I do think our approach surprised them.
The back three looked comfortable, even when Lowe slotted in. I feel he is a much better defender than midfielder and should stay in the back line. Olkowski and Noone were full of running and, with a bit more support, the former in particular could have made something happen. Noone is frequently caught horribly out of position ( he is no natural defender) but he tries his all and took a couple of knocks for the team.
Unsurprisingly given his recent attitude and form we looked better without Ameobi and the midfield, without breaking any pots, looked compact. Jota, who ran the game in Bolton hadly figured, bar one effort pushed onto the post by Matthews. Our keeper played well, making one wonderful save to deny Brum at the death.
Donaldson actually looked better than Magennis, the latter looking heavy and short on confidence. But it is clearly better to play with two there than one.
A deserved victory for us and all credit to the team and to Parky. In this mood, and with this type of formation, we may give the front runners a game over the coming next couple of weeks.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 13, 2019 11:01:19 GMT
Good summary Alp and all eyes on Saturday now to see if Parky reverts back and fiddles with the team again. I also agree about Ameobi who will probably make a better impact sub than starter. The problem for me is that this performance and result smacks of the same at Bramhall Lane last year when Parky was forced through injuries into a team he wouldn't have picked, including Alf and Madine up top but switched straight back to type in the next game. I'd love to think he won't but I'm afraid I see us back to one up top and sit back defence if his favourites are fit. Let's see though, last night at least showed some spirit so let's hope Parky learned something and will build on it.
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Post by andyl on Feb 13, 2019 12:57:20 GMT
If we are referencing repeated demands for two up on here, in my opinion it's been obvious for ages that Matthews offers more than Alnwick and since Oxford that Murphy balances the team! Why does it take Phil Parkinson so long to see such things
Will he ever see a role for Oztumer- that could yet be the difference between survival and relegation
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Post by kenglowhite on Feb 13, 2019 14:55:07 GMT
Like most of us on here I like a ball player and schemer and that's what Oz purports to be. Yet when I have seen him he has not had much space to work in, was easily knocked off the ball, and wasn't able to work his magic, He doesn't seem as fast as Wes Hoolahan in his day. I am reminded of the time in 1948 when Wanderers paid out the then second highest fee in FL history £16000 for Jimmy Hernon from Leicester. He was a slight midfield ballplayer, whose time at Burnden was limited, over 3 years before being bought by Bill Shankly, then Grimsby Town's manager for £2500. He also became a Scottish international alongside Wanderers' skipper Willie Moir. However he obviously didn't have the necessary impact in the league, scoring just one goal for us.
Football has changed greatly since them. Players need to be athletes and as physical as the tactics demeaned universally when Argentina's Rattin and co played against an England eleven selected by Joe Mercer,
Against this background I unfortunately can't see Oz doing a great deal for us.
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Post by andyl on Feb 13, 2019 17:08:08 GMT
You may be right, kenglowhite, but if you are it rather begs the question as to why Phil Parkinson bought him in the first place.
I can only offer that I personally have enjoyed the glimpses of him allowed. And that for him to have a chance we need to build to his strengths. Remember also that when Phil first omitted him the argument was that he wasn't getting forward enough but was dealing with the physicality of it all. After Hull he has been on the discard pile. I keep coming back to his record at Walsall. Yes in Div 1...but at least something memorable and recognised.
There is also an argument that Phil knows better than us seeing training, being a qualified coach etc. If so, it's taken a long time for him to twig that Matthews offers more than Alnwock or that two upfront gives more scope for attacking and so on.I'd love to be able to concede to this and defer but Messrs Parkinson, Lennon, Freedman, Coyle, Megson Lee have all presumably known best too. Here if I want a counter argument I incline to the view that someone who can draw comparison woth 1948 has seen a lot more football than any of them and will more than likely have a point.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 14, 2019 10:32:18 GMT
Well I'm sorry but I just don't accept this comment that Oz doesn't have the physicality to play in the Championship. He succeeded perfectly well in Division one with all the physicality there and I don't believe there is that much difference between the two leagues. Other than the potential of Connel and occasional ability of Ameobi, Oz has far more ball skills and goal scoring history than any other player. The simple fact is that like Alf, Zach and Karacan, he doesn't fit Parkinson's image of the kind of player he wants. I did say when he was signed that it seemed strange and I questioned whether he was a Parky or Anderson Jr signing. I think now we know. Parkinson has only one way of thinking and playing, he has all his career. It's no good us hoping he'll change, either with two up top, skilful midfield play or a build from the back goalkeeper, because I just can't see it, starting with Saturday against Norwich when I can only see him reverting back to one up top, defensive midfield and possibly even Alnwick back to hoof it up top. This is the mind numbing frustration of this man and why he will never succeed at this level and we'll never see football whilst he's here.
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Post by kenglowhite on Feb 14, 2019 15:21:26 GMT
I was going to respond to andyl that maybe Oz could better be used as a last third of the field attacker. His reputation suggests that.Though not exact comparisons I would mention Archie Gemmell and Freddie Hill, both of whom used to dribbke the ball the length of the field and then need to give up. While Brian Clough saw in Gemmell playing for Preston a guy who, if used upfront in shorter bursts, could be ( and became) completely effective, Freddie Hill did not have that good fortune. Do you remember the field-length breaks of the Dane, Beau Hansen, - another who invariably failed to finish? - Maybe Parkinson might be persuaded to see if Oz could perform in that way, though I wonder if he has the necessary speed. This leads to another criticism of our manager. He never experiments with players in other positions.
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