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Post by davidm on Sept 29, 2018 9:03:53 GMT
Another really difficult home match.
Why is it that home matches are so hard these days?
It is hard to see how this match will go.
- Will Derby being carried away, i.e. complacent, after beating United?
- Will our manager play a positive line-up, i.e. will Otzumer play or will we revert to 3 defensive midfielders?
- Who will play on the wings, indeed will we continue with 2 wingers despite the fact that it leaves our 1 striker so isolated?
I am not too confident about this game or the 2 difficult matches to follow.
I hope for a draw, pray for a win but, realistically expect a defeat.
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 29, 2018 10:08:54 GMT
Well I think you know the answer to all three of your questions David but for me, I don't think the Derby players will be carried away at all just filled with confidence, which I've no doubt the manager has tempered so it's not over confidence. I don't expect many changes either. A good manager, which I believe Lampard is becoming, will keep the basis of a winning team letting the players gel and form partnerships on the field. As for number two, when did Parky ever play a positive line up unless forced and why would he today against the best in form team in the Championship? There's as much chance of me starting as Oz and it will as usual be favourites Noone and Buckley stuck out wide offering little support to a stranded Magennis on his own up top. Doidge and Donaldson will be alongside Wildscutt and Ozzie getting bum cramp and only applied when we are a couple down, the game is lost and panic sets in. Am I being overly negative? Well if I'm right about the set up then surely that means so is Parkinson and we'll see at 3pm won't we?
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Post by OohMac on Sept 29, 2018 10:12:19 GMT
Yeah 3 tough games this week and because of the derby factor next week, this could be the best chance of maximum points.
Will it be the after the Lord mayor show for Derby county, who let's face it play like they did and we cannot match.
With Keogh at the back I cannot see any single striker getting change. I think it would be great to try something new. Either Oz right up there or Doidge and Magennis so that they cannot use Keogh to nullify us.
Need to stop the rut a little and rebuild momentum. A draw would be ok but would put more pressure on next Saturday.
Frank Lampard must quite like The Reebok, in his playing days, let's hope we can give him a tough day as a manager.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 11:04:02 GMT
My mate at work is a Rams fan and he has had a great week after beating THEM so it's down to us to get his feet back on the ground I would love a win but like a lot of people have said it will be a loss cause PP will set up not to get beaten but Derby are a good team so it will be a long day. COYWM
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Post by Alptrotter on Sept 29, 2018 11:41:34 GMT
I do hope Parky stocks with Hobbs and Wheater at the back, given Wilson’s suspension. I also would like to see him try a midfield diamond of O’Neil , Williams, Vela and Oztumer with Magennis and Doidge up front. Get on the front foot from the off, hopefully get a lead and, if necessary shut up shop for the last 15 minutes. I fear it will be 3 defensive midfielders, Josh alone and isolated up top and attempt to shut up shop until the last 15 when we desperately chase a lost cause.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 16:00:28 GMT
Just get the beers in 1-0 it's a ding dong dooo COYWM let's just enjoy tonight job done.
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Post by Alptrotter on Sept 29, 2018 16:08:26 GMT
Hats off to Parky and the lads tonight. A thoroughly deserved win, despite what the possession stats may say. We neutralised Derby ( to such an extent that their first real chance was in the eighty something minute ) and always threatened on the break. The defence, including stand in keeper Matthews, was excellent. I was pleased Grounds played much better. As did Buckley, after a woeful attempt to make use of a poor Derby back pass, he was excellent, buzzing around all game and supplying the cross for the goal. Surely Oztumer has playrd his way into the team now and Williams, Lowe and Josh all had good games.
The stats will say we had little possession, butvwe threatened far more than Derby and were well worth the three points today! A red wine toast to Parky from me tonight!
By the way, delighted that this post has elevated me to the status of a 1st Team Player - whoopee!
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 29, 2018 16:10:17 GMT
Yes, eating my words tonight, couldn't see Parky starting Oz today against an in form Derby but he did so fair play Parky, well done and let's hope this is the start of something more positive because if we can beat Derby, even with their help from the ref, we can beat anyone in this division. Very happy tonight and my glass of Sauvignon Blanc will be raised to the lads later. Bring on Rovers next weekend now.
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Post by OohMac on Sept 29, 2018 16:28:09 GMT
Hats off to Parky and the lads tonight. A thoroughly deserved win, despite what the possession stats may say. We neutralised Derby ( to such an extent that their first real chance was in the eighty something minute ) and always threatened on the break. The defence, including stand in keeper Matthews, was excellent. I was pleased Grounds played much better. As did Buckley, after a woeful attempt to make use of a poor Derby back pass, he was excellent, buzzing around all game and supplying the cross for the goal. Surely Oztumer has playrd his way into the team now and Williams, Lowe and Josh all had good games. The stats will say we had little possession, butvwe threatened far more than Derby and were well worth the three points today! A red wine toast to Parky from me tonight! By the way, delighted that this post has elevated me to the status of a 1st Team Player - whoopee! Red wine toast? Will have to try those with my mushroom and eggs tomorrow morning. I've hammered PP in the last few weeks, so for us to get a win today means I'll be eating either my hat or humble pie (on that toast maybe) At the start of the season our goalkeeping coach was on the bench. So without Alnwick today was worrying to say the least. Hobbs and Grounds in for a consecutive clean sheet. Signs are good. Oz plays and we win. Noone and Buckley doing a job too. They both need to put a similar shift in next week. If Doidge could have got off the mark that would have been the cherry on top. Beevers has a real ask getting his place back now, which is good for us. |
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Post by andyl on Sept 29, 2018 16:29:47 GMT
That was a most splendid victory built on heroic efforts. If Buckley could shoot he alone could have had three. I thought he was really good today.
I like watching Otzumer. He ran tirelessly and offered pure class. He was the vital spark and thoroughly deserving of his ovation. If only his opportunist shot could have gone in on the stroke of half time
Williams was loose in distribution and could have set Doidge up. But what a doughty and feisty battler. He may be a bit lacking composure at this level but he was a lion today. So too was Lowe. So was Magennis and so Hobbs. He was quick and pulled off some brilliant tackles! Even Matthews got in the act with a good close range stop.
Our goal was excellent. Made by a pass from the back, a. Superb assist from Buckley and a perfect Noone header. You could see Derby deflate!
The referee was terrible!!!!
As for Derby they were pretty good on the ball with an outstanding creative midfielder but with a defence as week as that very vulnerable. I know they had lots of possession but we had all the he chances. 4-0 would not have flattered us on chances
Matthews 7 Olkowski 6 Wheater 7 Hobbs 8 Grounds 7 Williams 8 Lowe 8 Oztumer 8 No one 6 Magennis 8 But uckley 8
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Post by greydad on Sept 29, 2018 17:20:47 GMT
What a contrast to the QPR game...Oztumer's presence was a real tonic, and the midfield as a unit was far more effective today. and will hopefully develop more composure on the ball with his presence. It surely cannot be a coincidence that Lowe Williams and Buckley had their best games of the season...the first half pass from Oz to find Buckley in the box was something not seen at the Macron for many a moon, pure class. The defence was much improved, steadfast in the wake of Derby's possession, and Magennis was a real workhorse, winning so many headers and helping relieve pressure with his runs. Credit where it's due to P.P., as has been mentioned the stats might have been in Derby's favour for possession but Buckley could/should have had a hat-trick,and nerves would have been far less frazzled. The win was genuinely deserved and hopefully sets the team up for the 2 games ahead...well done to all concerned!
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Post by davidm on Sept 29, 2018 18:02:37 GMT
What an amazing result.
It begs the question – do the ends justify the means?
The ends being 3 points and the means being conceding possession and dropping back into a massed defence.
The opening 5 minutes, possession stats must have read 99 to 1 for Derby as we dropped off and just didn’t touch the ball.
But our tactics were to break out when chances arose. After 7 minutes, a chance arose but from Derby’s ridiculous endless passing across the back four. Buckley intercepted and had clear space in front of him. He should have scored but messed about trying to get the ball on his left foot and the chance was gone.
In the next minute, we broke down the left with a good pass and Buckley put a centre over to the far post for Noone to score with an excellent header across the goal inside the far post. Tactics successful as we had hardly touched the ball at that stage.
The rest of the first half was Derby possession and we dropped off but, and it’s an important but, Derby created little. A few balls into the box and a few scrambles but for all their pretty football, they had no end product. We defended our area with our bodies well.
Just before half time a loose ball fell to Oztumer 30 yards out which he hit first time and skimmed the post. Carson was totally beaten and we could have been 2-0 up at half time.
Anyway a good score at half time.
Second half was similar except that we got a few half chances. Noone curled a shot round a stationery Carson and just wide. Buckley cut in from the left, shot with his right foot and brought a good save from Carson. Buckley again broke into the box and was mugged but the referee wasn’t interested. Oztumer similarly got to the edge of the box and was flattened.
All this time, Derby passed and passed and passed (Yawn!) to no effect.
They had a couple of chances with two free kicks which they wasted, an appeal for handball which would have been ridiculous and then with 2 minutes to go they got a break in the box and Matthews made his one save of note and blocked a good chance.
A deserved win. We obviously looked at Derby and chose to play defensively. Will we do this against Blackburn next week?
Its hard watching the opposition have practically all the ball but it feels good to get the result and stop the slide down the table.
Matthews - 7 Pulled off an excellent save in the last few minutes. Remarkably that was the most difficult thing he had to do. I would just like to see him come off his line for high balls a bit.
Olkowski - 7 Tigerish as usual. Disgracefully booked after a wonderful tackle straight in front of me.
Wheater - 8 Head and body in front of everything.
Hobbs - 8 Very good. Won headers, blocked shots.
Grounds - 6 I felt, particularly in the first half, that there were acres of space down Derby’s right. In fairness though, it was definitely his best match for us.
Lowe - 6 Good. Would like a bit better distribution.
Williams - 6 Really hard worker. His passing though was poor – too many misplaced passes. He also should have slipped Doidge through late on but chose to shoot.
Oztumer - 9 Excellent. How good to see some pure skill in midfield.
Buckley - 8 Probably his best match for us. Dived a little too much which might explain why he didn’t get a penalty late on when he was barged over.
Noone - 7 Busy and took the goal well.
McGennis - 7 Thankless task playing up front for us. He won numerous flick-ons but had little support.
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Post by bonaparte on Sept 29, 2018 19:28:06 GMT
I really do not know what to say, probably the best performance under PP, cannot understand why they have not played this way before.
OK stood off and let Derby huff and puff and relied on breaking quickly, but it worked and resolute defence frustrated Derby.
As others have said wasteful in front of goal, no surprise there.
Also not enough service to Oztumer, who played attacking midfield excellently and showed that he can boss games.
Hard not to give everyone an 8, if only for effort, even PP (see Joanna we do give credit where and when credit is due).
Went home happy for a change.
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Post by thegrud1 on Sept 29, 2018 20:11:57 GMT
Probly the first game in 18 mth that I can say I enjoyed mostly
Not because of the result(altho it helps)..but there seem to be signs of a slight change of tactics away from lump it football.
Otzumer is class I would like to see him given a run in the team, altho I think he wont play many away games(parkys way in away games)
Onwards and upwards....fingers crossed
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 30, 2018 8:04:38 GMT
Since Parky plays the same defensive system all the time Grud, I see no reason at all why Oz shouldn't be included in away games. It seems his effect on those around him was a major factor in our performance yesterday and it would be a mistake to leave him out in my opinion. I still think it's a risk giving the opposition so much of the ball. We defended well yesterday but Derby seemed a shadow of the team that beat Manure. Still that's six points from Derby and West Brom that we didn't expect so who says we can't compete with the top teams if we show ambition and commitment. It still wasn't pretty and I'm not sure it ever will be under Parky and Parkin but hopefully we can at least survive until our White Knight comes?
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