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Post by Woppy the Italian on Aug 25, 2018 15:34:30 GMT
3-0 not surprised
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Post by wots on Aug 25, 2018 15:34:43 GMT
0-3 and they walked that one in. Defence? Beevers shoiuld have been let go in the summer. We have been played off the park.
One of our problems when we have possession is that it alays seems that we end up back in our own area.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Aug 25, 2018 15:34:58 GMT
Oh dear.....
Has the luck ran out??? 0-3 a shocker but a massive reality check
Let’s put this one to bed and move on!!
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Aug 25, 2018 15:39:35 GMT
Parky is worse than Megson………..and that takes some doing. The man is clueless and we wont improve while hes in charge.
Give David Lee a chance.
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Post by wots on Aug 25, 2018 15:51:35 GMT
I won't be watching 3 minutes of added time. Terrible. Maybe whites 63 knows something we don't. ;-)
Still, it's only one defeat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 16:02:07 GMT
Well that's that game over 0-3 and listening on my laptop today at work it was over from the first minute with Sheffield hitting the bar then shortly after that opening the scoring after 7 minutes it was a struggle for Bolton to get anything other than well beaten. For me it sounded like they believed all the hype from our great start and all they had to do was turn up and win 🤷♂️ Still 10 points from 15 😀😀
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Aug 25, 2018 16:08:39 GMT
Come on whites 63......love your posts. Put some of these posters straight pal
Might be only our first defeat of the season but its the manner of it. We have had a lot of luck and got away with murder up to now.
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Post by andyl on Aug 25, 2018 16:16:53 GMT
What a poor showing. They played 3-5-2 . Their midfield outnumbered and out passed our one-paced combination of Lowe, Murphy and Vela from the off.
Our two highlights were stupendous saves by Alnwick at the beginning of each half.
They had already spurned a couple of chances when Buckley chose to appeal rather than go with his man who crossed with ease and Duffy had all the time needed to sidefoot the ball home. 0-1
Then another shambles led to a mishit which was just about unstoppable as it idled to the far post and trickled home. Our luck had run out.0-2
We needed subs at halftime but of course we waited till 60 minutes. Oztumer and Wildschut.
It seems obvious to me that we need to build around Oztumer. He's our most creative midfielder and both gives and goes. Most others if they give don't go. In truth we were badly exposed for pace all round the field but at least Oztumer does the basics well.
Ameobi began brightly but lost interest. Olkowski got frustratef and an easy breakaway was converted for a third.
Sheff Utd as Bristol were a class apart. But at least we have a start this year. September looks challenging.
In passing Basham looked good. One that got away?
Alnwick 8 Olkowski 6 Wheater 5 Beevers 5 Grounds 5 Murphy 3 Lowe 3 Vela 2 Magennis 5 Ameobi 6 Buckley 3
Wildschut 4 Oztumer 6
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Post by bonaparte on Aug 25, 2018 16:52:59 GMT
What a terrible performance.
Too slow, no pressing, bad passing, no leadership.
Who is the on field leader? Wheater is captain, but does not appear to lead or organise?
Agree with Andy, re Oztumer, but he must be given the ball.
Don't agree with his scores, for me 4 for everyone, except Magennis 7,and Ameobi 6.
PP 4, substitutions by rote on 60mins, no perceptable game plan, no impact after half time talk.
Normal service resumed, can we recover? Preston up next.
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 25, 2018 17:37:12 GMT
Come on whites 63......love your posts. Put some of these posters straight pal Might be only our first defeat of the season but its the manner of it. We have had a lot of luck and got away with murder up to now. I could only repeat what I've said one hundred times wop, that until we get a manager who can operate at this level we will continue to struggle. For all his affability, hard work and genuineness, I'm afraid he is just way out of his depth and that goes for his coaching staff too, especially Steve Parkin who is mainly responsible for first team matters. I've no doubt they're working hard and trying everything they know but sadly they don't know enough. I didn't go today, much as I wanted to, because I just can't stand the pain of watching basically good players hamstrung by a Neanderthal, overly defensive set up. Why was Oz not in the team today? He showed late in the game on Tuesday, just how influential (before being prematurely taken off) he could be yet instead of building the team around him as Andy says, he replaces him with another defensive minded player. Is it any wonder we can't pass and move, they clearly never practise it just lump it forward to Mr Isolated up front. Look I'm moaning again but that's six games now including the cup and despite the results we've been comprehensively outplayed in every one. The luck and that's what it's been, ran out today. It's going to have to return soon or we'll quickly be back in the bottom six, which is probably really all we deserve. |
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Post by davidm on Aug 25, 2018 17:47:38 GMT
On my comments on here after the Birmingham match, I said “We will get hammered by the better sides in this league if we continue to play like that.” Well we continued to play like that and we were hammered.
This match highlighted everything I hate about Phil Parkinson’s approach to football.
Just 0ne man on his own upfront with no one within 20 yards. Wingers who stay tight to the line and rarely join in attack wise. Midfield players who all play deep and stand rooted as the opposition’s midfield run rings around them and defenders who are so slow so mobile forwards lose them endlessly.
There was hardly a minute of proper football in that performance.
I heard the manager bemoaning the fact that Sheff Utd didn’t have a match in midweek so were “fresh”. Utter twaddle. We had played 5 games up to kick off so how can anyone not be fresh.
Just like the Birmingham match, we started dreadfully slowly. Stevens the Sheffield left wing back was through on goal after less than 30 seconds and Wheater somehow blocked his shot.
Within 2 minutes, we slept at a corner and left a player totally unmarked on the edge of the box. The corner went straight to him and Alnwick made an excellent pushing the shot onto the bar.
We didn’t learn though.
After 5 minutes, yet another Sheffield attack was broken up and Buckley got the ball on the edge of the box. He criminally tried to lob the ball over Chris Basham who jumped and chested it down, ran into the area and laid the ball back to the unmarked Duffy to score. This despite having 11 men in the area – we just couldn’t mark.
It was atrocious.
We had 2 efforts in the first half. Ameobi – one player who looked to have a bit of skill – put a cross over to the far post straight onto Buckley’s head. It may have been on the line so difficult to get in but he headed it straight into the keeper. We then had a corner which Wheater volleyed in but Clarke kicked it off the line.
That was it for us but Sheffield had numerous chances and all the possession.
I thought we would have half time subs but No, Parkinson always waits until the 60th minute – God knows why.
Second half was calmer – only because Sheffield chose to play pass ball and dominated us.
Beevers got skinned on their right – all the defence were sucked across leaving a Sheffield player in acres of space on the left to whom they transferred the ball easily and he just rolled it in for Fleck to score. Absolute abysmal team defending.
This was just awful.
I could say more but it was horrible and the weekend is ruined.
Alnwick - 6 Fine save after 2 minutes.
Olkowski - 4 Caught out much too often.
Wheater - 4 Given the run around.
Beevers - 2 Even worse. Just flummoxed by Sharp’s movement.
Grounds - 2 Seem more intent on kicking opponents.
Lowe - 2 Appalling. Some of the worst heading ever.
Murphy - 1 Anonymous. Just nothing. Shocking performance.
Vela - 2 Hopeless. Neither help to attack nor to defence.
Ameobi - 5 One of the few with skill but he definitely lost interest after half time.
Buckley - 2 Badly at fault for first goal and 2 appalling dives in their area. Embarrassing.
McGennis - 5 Tried hard but had no help at all.
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Post by thegrud1 on Aug 25, 2018 18:03:45 GMT
Absolutley bloody awful......no structure ...no plan...no idea.....I thought I saw a slight change in style...I thought wrong
We could have lost by 5 or 6 and that wouldnt have flattered S.U.
As long as we play Parkys neanderthal football we gonna be in trouble..
Be interesting to hear Joanna,s views?
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Aug 25, 2018 18:29:56 GMT
Come on whites 63......love your posts. Put some of these posters straight pal Might be only our first defeat of the season but its the manner of it. We have had a lot of luck and got away with murder up to now. I could only repeat what I've said one hundred times wop, that until we get a manager who can operate at this level we will continue to struggle. For all his affability, hard work and genuineness, I'm afraid he is just way out of his depth and that goes for his coaching staff too, especially Steve Parkin who is mainly responsible for first team matters. I've no doubt they're working hard and trying everything they know but sadly they don't know enough. I post.go today, much as I wanted to, because I just can't stand the pain of watching basically good players hamstrung by a Neanderthal, overly defensive set up. Why was Oz not in the team today? He showed late in the game on Tuesday, just how influential (before being prematurely taken off) he could be yet instead of building the team around him as Andy says, he replaces him with another defensive minded player. Is it any wonder we can't pass and move, they clearly never practise it just lump it forward to Mr Isolated up front. Look I'm moaning again but that's six games now including the cup and despite the results we've been comprehensively outplayed in every one. The luck and that's what it's been, ran out today. It's going to have to return soon or we'll quickly be back in the bottom six, which is probably really all we deserve. Excellent post whites. I get the feeling his negative ideas might just be filtering through to the players. Maybe a players meeting is required to air their views. I don't believe for one minute they are happy with the tactics' |
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Post by OohMac on Aug 25, 2018 18:38:55 GMT
I'm sat here with my feet up and a cigar lit. Told you so.
Joking of course, I'm gutted but can't say I'm surprised. Was always weary of what would happen if we let the other team score first. Would we get back into the game, trying new things or would the bubble burst and would we go back to heads gone defending. Seems the latter and now I worry that momentum has gone. Already said Parky is a streaky manager a and seems to go on runs.
It says everything about this league though that Villa, a basket case of a club can continue to just throw money at problems. Terry, Snodgrass, McCormack, etc and now they've just got Bolasie(£25M) and when it doesn't work someone else just comes in saves them from embargo and throws more money at it. When are these guys going to take a look at us.
Until then we can have no real top half ambitions and can expect more Saturday evenings like this.
We still need a real quality talisman. Or someone to buzz around Magennis. To go from league one to a sole striker in championship? Way too much to ask.
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Post by Alptrotter on Aug 25, 2018 20:25:01 GMT
I’ve thought a lot about about this dismal performance and agree with many of the critical points raised. I have also come to the conclusion that our greatest weakness is in the centre of midfield. Vela hasn’t really progressed at all, Murphy looks totally ineffectual and Lowe tries detrrminedly, but is not capable of carrying everything on his own. I just hope that the new lad from Everton proves to be someone who can pass and move.
I’m also confused that the fundamentally defensive Parky plays two wide players all the time. Buckley for me is as weak as water, Widschut head down and run ( mainly into cul de sacs) I think we need Ameobi at no 10 , behind Josh and three central midfielders including Oztumer in a position to link the play from defence to attack and people who burst into wide positions rather than be stationed there all the time.
All in all , team formation looks far too static , inflexible and downright wooden. That is Parky’s responsibility. The fact that he seems incapable of developing alternative tactics to the 30% possession, play for a lucky break is surely damning, whatever his fan club may say.
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