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Post by OohMac on Aug 22, 2018 22:21:48 GMT
Well, 1-0 Wanderers with a Buckley goal. Seems the substitutions are working. Unfortunately, I missed the game, but no matter, it's results that count. Why can't people be happy with that? Sorry Oom, but I don't agree with you, or whites. Maybe when we are doing a Megson, Coyle, or Feedman, but how do you sleep at night Large whisky helps. Not sure if you play poker,but before I knew exactly what was what, I watched my friend and he had a good hand, bet big and lost to a much inferior hand. I couldn't believe how calm he was. He just explained that he made the right call and you cant win every hand but you keep doing the right things you will eventually and ultimately be better off. What were doing now is getting fortunate. We're not setting up foundations. We're just hitting and hoping. Our luck will out. Certainly second half was better. Ameobi brought the game to life and Birmingham was as bad as we were. I'll take that all day but I'm more worried about this team than I was at kick off. That was simply awful performance. Like lighting a candle and sticking it in a dog turd and calling it a birthday cake.
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Post by wots on Aug 22, 2018 23:55:19 GMT
Glad I don't celebrate birthday's at your place Oom. '-)
I wouldn't call myself a betting man either, not unless it's a game of heads, or tails, rock, paper, scissors.
If you're a betting man, then sporting life have BWFC at 16/5 against the 10/11 Blades. For me, those odds are too high to refuse, but I think Sportinglife won't miss my sixpence if we lose.
All I'm saying is 'it's the result that counts' and I'll take 1-0 every week, if need be.I'll enjoy it while it lasts.
I'm no fan of KA, even though the club has stabilized financially somewhat. It's his duty to get decent players in and at the mo' and Parky has done his best with a band aid squad for quite a while, cheapos, loans and out of contract players. Credit where it's due.
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Post by bonaparte on Aug 23, 2018 6:55:56 GMT
Slept on that one. Although a few good moments, I cannot be as upbeat as Andy. Three precious points, but oh what dreadful passing, and very energy sapping defence. Will this affect them on Saturday? Lots of "clear the lines hoofing" rarely finding a white shirt, Beevers particularly at fault. Difficult to pick a man of the match performance, 6 for most, except Ameobi and Wheater 7/8. 6 also for PP, as Andy said previously, substituions, but by rote, not based on analysis. Magennis isolated so no outlet for the few headers he actaully made. But they did win, and there were some green shoots for us poor unentertained supporters.
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Post by Alptrotter on Aug 23, 2018 7:21:53 GMT
Of course, it’s great to be clocking up the points so early in the season and winning hopefully becomes a long term habit, but I agree with Bonaparte, there were clear indications that we might well struggle at home. Picking Otztumer and blasting the ball forward as we did in the first half was mindless. Oddly in a reverse of Saturday it was the ineffective Wildschut replaced by an improved Buckley, combined with the exhausted looking Noone being replaced by the tricky Ameobi that got us moving at last. If Parky wants to play a more rxpansive, passing game at home, I really think we need to look at the ability of our central defenders to do anything but hoof the ball away. Beevers is the worst culprit and having him, or Alnwick as the eventual long passer is just a recipe to lose possession.
Alnwick, despite the odd flap, was again good, making one great save. The central midfield covered competently, but not much else, the full backs again played reasonably, but we just lack the movement and control to bring the ball out of defence. How did Brum get Jota on the ball so much, yet we couldn’t find Otztumer at all? Answer that, Parky and we might start to see an improvement in home performances.
Having said all that, pointswise a dream start. Well done, one and all. Now, keep in mind that many Championship sides flatter to deceive and can readily be beaten.
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Post by davidm on Aug 23, 2018 8:28:05 GMT
As most have said – how did we win that?
I am not as positive as others on here about the performance.
Yes, points on the board are vital and I am as happy as everyone else with 10 points so far but the standard of football is dire.
We started slowly – Birmingham had a shot on target through pure slow sloppy play from us within 1 minute and we just dropped into dire hoofball football.
Whites63 will not be back to watch us for a long time if this continues.
It’s hard to say much about the first half. Alnwick made one cracking save from a Jota shot. How did Jota get so much space throughout the game – did we not have a plan to combat him?
Wildschut had our one and only near miss when he just failed to beat the goalie in a run in on goal but it was the exception.
Other than that, Birmingham had most of the ball, we defended OK and it was just the poorest football you could imagine.
It took until 54 minutes for us to get our first corner – pretty pathetic for a home team.
Our passing was totally raggy with passes and clearances going straight to a blue shirt.
The change in our fortunes came in the substitutions.
Ameobi show some genuine ball control skills and gave us a get out ball.
Still little seemed to be happening. Jota continued to control midfield and endlessly run at us. Our tackling became desperate but credible.
We had a little spell when we had a succession of corners – from one Lowe got a cracking shot in which the goalie saved well.
And then the breakthrough.
Ameobi played a lovely pass out to Taylor who was well advanced. His cross was palmed away by Camp but Ameobi retrieved it and put a lovely curling cross in which Buckley half-chested/half-handled into the net. Not a great goal but immense credit to Ameobi for the initial pass to Taylor and then retrieving the ball and putting it back in.
We somehow held out – desperate defending when all we did was clog the ball as far away as possible.
Credit to Ameobi and Donaldson for some excellent time wasting in the last 2 minutes and we were home.
In my mind, a really poor performance.
As with Bristol City, we should have lost. I am as pleased as everyone with the points but the football is dire.
We will get hammered by the better sides in this league if we continue to play like that.
Alnwick - 6 Great save from Jota. Some good catches under pressure but a couple of really bad flaps and awful distribution.
Olkowski - 6 Good. My only worry is his lack of pace.
Wheater - 7 Dominant in the air and a couple of really good blocks.
Beevers - 5 Won a lot of the ball but distribution is dreadful. This includes the many headers which went straight to blue shirts.
Taylor - 6 Involved in build up to the goal and some decent, if panicky, clearances.
Lowe - 6 Very steady but some wayward passing. Unlucky not to score.
O’Neill - 6 Again steady but some odd passing.
Oztumer - 7 I was impressed. I hope to see more and I hope our style of play involves him more. Someone who can pass a ball.
Noone - 5 Totally out of the game.
Wildschut - 5 Disappointing. A couple of runs but looked disinterested.
McGennis - 5 He won a few headers but no one within 20 yards of him. I didn’t think he held the ball up particularly well.
Buckley - 6 Somehow deflected the ball in and looked positive.
Ameobi - 8 Star man. The only one to show any control of the ball.
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Post by greydad on Aug 23, 2018 10:50:26 GMT
Positives from last night...the win, Ameobi coming on to change the game in our favour, Oztumer giving fans a taster of his skills, seeing out the game superbly, and finally the team sitting third in the table on goal difference. Others' comments and analysis have adequately covered the overall aspects of the game so nothing to add there. Results, if not performances, are confounding general expectations...if Ameobi remains fit and Oztumer's skills can be consistently harnessed in midfield we have players who look capable of providing both entertainment and that all too often elusive end-product that creates chances and gets the crowd on the edge of their seats. I too hope to see more of Oztumer...if he sees enough of the ball he can provide things that have long been absent in midfield, speed of thought, excellent touch, and creativity. Let's hope he and Ameobi can help inspire a good performance and positive result on Saturday.
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Post by thekraken on Aug 23, 2018 13:31:09 GMT
I see that Vela warmed the bench last night and didn't seem to be much missed. With Joe Williams joining on a season's loan today from Everton we've got another tough tackling mid-fielder (with young legs), which increases the mid-field competition. We're now stronger than we've been in that department for years. Just need that extra striker now to complete the jigsaw.
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Post by Pedro on Aug 23, 2018 19:44:20 GMT
Absolutely fantastic with the win, thepoints, our league table place, Sammi's return and the potential Oztumer showed, but oh dear that first half WHY are we so poor at passing? They have all been playing the game since they were schoolboys and now are getting obscene money to play the same game yet they are appalling at passing. It just does my head in and it has been happening for a long time now. My abiding overall memory of League 1 and the Chumpionship is how embarrassed I feel to watch the opposition making pin point passes long and short and us?
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Post by joanna on Aug 24, 2018 7:26:30 GMT
I thought we were very solid tonight, keeping the ball more in the second half especially and tigerish in our defensive work. O'Neil and Lowe despite each making a wild pass were excellent throughout. The first half was poor. Distribution from defence was dire and poor Oztumer had no chance as balls flew over him or simple passes were ignored. Noone ran into cul de sacs continuously as did Wildshut. He at least almost got on the end of a through ball but where a dink would have opened our account he couldn't find it. In in the event we were indebted to Alnwick for his one handed acrobatics tipping over a deflected shot. Superb save Ameobi lilt up the second half and the sweeping pass he made had almost when crossed led to a goal but his return looping ball was perfect. I couldn't see if it went straight in or was touched by Magennis or a defender! ? In addition to Ameobi's brightness at last we saw three glimpses of Oztumer . First a dash and near one two then a fabulous lob for Buckley and best of all a one footed take down of a high through ball. What a talent he has if only we start to play to him, please. He made three poor passes and struggled defensively but I at least want more. The crowd seemed to appreciate him? We managed added time really well. They had one near miss but otherwise faded in the second half Alnwick 8 Olkowski 8 Wheater 7 Beevers 7 Taylor 6 Lowe 7 O'Neill 8 Noone 5 Wildscht 5 Magennis 8 Oztumer 6 Ameobi 8 Buckley 7
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Post by joanna on Aug 24, 2018 8:24:47 GMT
Agree with most of your analysis, Andy, including the marks.
The truth is that if Parky became available right now, there would be an enormous queue of chairmen desperate to take him. Be thankful for what we have achieved during his reign.
Better style will gradually develop as it becomes possible to recruit a more accomplished standard of player, comfortable on the ball. Meanwhile these newcomers are a step up from those who have been moved on, and management is making them hard to beat. We see games out better than we used to. The camaraderie is noticeable and important. A good set of characters has been acquired, moving the club in the right direction.
A good spirit is being created and lots of effort, commitment and energy to add to improving skill levels, particularly evident at Reading, less so against Brum. There are signs that we are trying to play more football. Incidentally, Noone needs to play on the left.
We have an excellent shot-stopper for when our solid defence is breached. He has already made some outstanding saves this season, pushing shots out and away.
Just a quick word on the issue of praise versus criticism at the club and on here: of course everyone is entitled to air their views, negative or positive. Most managers understandably defend and praise their squads for the sake of team morale, but fans are more free to criticise if they see fit, to let off steam even if it is unhelpful (or of any effect at all!). What irritates and causes aggravated responses is unremitting repetition of the same critical views over and over again, simply finding different words to say exactly the same thing in every post, no matter what has clearly been achieved on the pitch and in training. Some people seem dangerously obsessed with launching personal attacks or vendettas at every opportunity with no regard for the evidence. As I said at the start, Mr. Parkinson would be in huge demand elsewhere due to what he has managed to accomplish in his time here on a shoestring and in the most trying of circumstances. Best not to risk losing him for an inevitably inferior replacement!
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Post by thegrud1 on Aug 24, 2018 9:15:04 GMT
WOW Joanna you definetley Parky.s love child lol
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Post by joanna on Aug 24, 2018 10:53:34 GMT
The irony is that the dull, repetitive, negative posts accuse Parky of just these same attitudes in his management..... I think the word is "hypocrisy"....
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Post by wots on Aug 24, 2018 12:29:50 GMT
Well, that's whites, Oom and Rioch told off.
I don't disagree with you Joanna, I think Parky is doing a good job with the tools at hand. I'm no fan off KA, but he seems to have put the club on a more stable footing for now. So there it is. Let's enjoy it while it lasts.
However, it's a forum and people are allowed their views, as you are yours. If the style of football is as tthe old Wimbledon FC, then so be it, let's just enjoy the results and as you say, it will/may attract a more quality player than we have now. Let's face it, whoever heard of the players that we have now? Certainly not household names by any stretch.
Key points:
We are scoring goals.
We are keeping clean sheets.
We are getting results.
Let's face it we could have the wally with the brolly. I know who I'd sooner have.
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Post by OohMac on Aug 24, 2018 20:24:34 GMT
We're cash strapped. Any team that want Parky enough can make an offer that we would likely accept. I'm surprised Sunderland didn't come for him as he did a similar rebuild job with us but went for largely unproven Scottish manager.
I will give Parky credit to keeping a happy camp, willing to fight and put it all on the line, but he just finished 4th bottom of the championship and that's his highest ever finish. And for the last five minutes of the season it was panic stations and try anything. Miracle at the Macron yes. A well executed game plan? Nope.
That was last season though.
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Post by wots on Aug 24, 2018 20:40:07 GMT
We're cash strapped. Miracle at the Macron yes. A well executed game plan? Nope. That was last season though. Your first sentence said it all OOm, we're cash strapped. Who could have/would have done the same with the dross we shipped out? That was last season though. This season, still with little to spend, we are up in the nose bleeds in the league, we haven't lost, yet. We are scoring goals and keeping clean sheets. What else can the guy do? Enjoy it while you can, but if it all falls apart, I can see some on here saying "I told you so". Not pointing any fingers mind. ;-)
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