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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 7, 2018 16:51:13 GMT
4-0 to the Rams Didn’t they score 2 late goals when they did us at The ReeMac?? Crikey, what was Madine doing taking a late penalty!! Never seen 2 pens given in injury time. Why can’t we have Mike Dean today?? I found myself urging Derby on to get the 4th goal just so that my prediction was correct, such was my disgust. So Burton did to Brum what we couldn’t and Sunderland did to Leeds what we couldn’t, throw into the mix what Reading did to Preston and what have you got??? Phil Parkinson and his flops Ken, if you daren't get rid, it’s time you went instead
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 18:05:43 GMT
This was a dead game for me before kick off as we have not won there since 1981 so why in the world did PP not blood a couple of young hungry lads and have a go. A mate of mine who is a Derby season ticket holder said it was the worst team he had watched at home all season and he includes his own team last week against Sunderland, he said it was like the players were not interested except for the keeper and ALF. So what do we do now 2 away games to go at Barnsley and Burton with the worst away record in the league with home games against Millwall, Wolves and Forest I think 4 points might give us an outside chance but were will they come from.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 18:21:05 GMT
Did you realy expect anything better ? the team we support is living from hand to mouth and is second rate in every dept , players who no one else wants a manager who has no idea and an owner
who is interested only in one thing ,lining his own pockets ,I said at the seasons start that 4th form bottom would be the best we could get and I still belive that somehow it will be fluked if not its not the end of the world is it ?.
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Post by joanna on Apr 8, 2018 10:37:23 GMT
Still think it was a good idea to cash in on Madine?
Top goalscorer, the only physical threat occupying and intimidating opposition defences, a worthwhile target for our wingers' crosses, created space for the likes of Vela/Ameobi/Alf, often able to hold the ball up or lay it off, effective at defending aerial balls into our box.....look at the first goal yesterday!
Yes, I know his inclusion led to tedious long-ball tactics but at least we were competing, winning points, and could look forward to survival and extra cash to develop the team and its tactics for next season. Were the last two matches more enjoyable to watch than the games in which Madine played?
Suicide to sell him with only grandad Wilbraham as an alternative. Football is a physical game. Our remaining forwards are utterly lightweight.
When we are as bad as yesterday, it's essential to have an alternative to turn to, preferably one presenting a more physical threat to challenge defenders etc
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Post by Alptrotter on Apr 8, 2018 11:24:22 GMT
To be honest, Joanna, and with respect, I can’t see the point of your comment. The reality today, whether fans like it or not, is that clubs can do little to keep a player whose head has been turned. In Madine’s case, could anyone really blame him for going to a club that may well be in the PL next season? Who knows what can happen for him, if things go perfectly? Yes, it would probably have been better had he stayed, just like lots of other far bigger clubs than us could say about players who decide to leave. Constantly moaning about it doesn’t really help.
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Post by thegrud1 on Apr 8, 2018 11:30:25 GMT
Joanna ... **When we are as bad as yesterday, it's essential to have an alternative to turn to*** Madine wasnt an alternative he was Plan A and led to us having no plan B..!!!!!
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Post by joanna on Apr 8, 2018 12:10:19 GMT
Grud: plan A was working well enough to keep us up.
Paulm: do we know that he was determined to leave....to sit on the bench..... or was he sold for the cash despite Parky's wishes and possibly his own?
Either way, the money should have been used to acquire a similar goalscoring, muscular presence to offset our current flimsy lightweights.
Moaning about Parky, who had been achieving miracles on tiny scraps for the last two years, is surely more pointless......
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Post by Alptrotter on Apr 8, 2018 12:41:50 GMT
Joanna, Of course we’ll never know for sure, because even if those involved do talk, it will be self serving stuff they spout. However, I do believe that it’s implausible that Madine was sold against his wishes. Why would he agree to the transfer, unless he was keen? He was under contract after all. Parky is another matter. It’s highly likely the deal was done against his wishes. Re a replacement, my recollection of the timing implies little chance to sort that out.
Re Parky, for me, he deserves all the moans he gets for these last two teams he has selected. Really misread his players and the situation. And incapable of quick thinking and change of plan. Plus, when I think of all the points lost recently, due to his innate conservatism, Sheff Wed away, Reading away for example, we were clearly on top and the better team, playing well, in fact. Those are games a good manager wins. As a man, he cuts a sympathetic figure and i don’t hold with abusing him. As a coach and tactician and motivator? A much more uncertain picture.
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Post by joanna on Apr 8, 2018 13:25:58 GMT
Joanna, Of course we’ll never know for sure, because even if those involved do talk, it will be self serving stuff they spout. However, I do believe that it’s implausible that Madine was sold against his wishes. Why would he agree to the transfer, unless he was keen? He was under contract after all. Parky is another matter. It’s highly likely the deal was done against his wishes. Re a replacement, my recollection of the timing implies little chance to sort that out. Re Parky, for me, he deserves all the moans he gets for these last two teams he has selected. Really misread his players and the situation. And incapable of quick thinking and change of plan. Plus, when I think of all the points lost recently, due to his innate conservatism, Sheff Wed away, Reading away for example, we were clearly on top and the better team, playing well, in fact. Those are games a good manager wins. As a man, he cuts a sympathetic figure and i don’t hold with abusing him. As a coach and tactician and motivator? A much more uncertain picture. Once you realise that the club is happy to sell you, it's not surprising that you would go, especially to a club that might shortly get to the premier league. Paul, you're admitting that Parky had the rug pulled from under his feet ("against his wishes"), and then in the next breath say he deserves all the moans he gets for his team selections,,,,so what exactly were his alternatives for selection with no worthwhile front man to turn to? It's too easy to blame the manager when the board have effectively cut off your realistic options in a highly physical league.
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Post by Alptrotter on Apr 8, 2018 14:02:58 GMT
Thanks for taking the trouble to emphasise and underline, Joanna. But it’s not necessary. Normal type’s fine.
I think you ignore the point about Parky. I have seen almost every game this season, on iplayer, and, as I suggested, a more adaptable and, perhaps courageous, manager would have won more games that we drew, when we were clearly the better team. And wasn’t it only a week or so ago, the BN was full of our riches up front? OK, I never bought that, but I think you’ll find my earlier post on this thread suggests an alternative set up for the team. Basically, Parky is far too conservative tactically, selection wise and temperamentally. It has been blindingly obvious that Henry is tired and not 100%, yet he’s always in. Vela has been struggling to find a role in the set tactic. Ameobi is our only player who can dribble and beat a man, but has been pressed too often into playing as an ersatz target man. Le Fondre is wasted. Central defence of Wheater and Beevers too slow. I could go on. The point is, he does have options to change the roles of some players and rotate others out of the team. With too many, he has never even tried.
The failings of others may yet save our season, but with Parky in charge, I’m afraid it would be exactly the same next season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 15:54:11 GMT
I'm all for keeping Madine but what did me and maybe others is why didn't Phil Parkinson play Madine with another striker to feed of him maybe Alf or anybody else who could score instead he played him on his own. Why 38 year old Wilbraham, Why not Connar Hall with Madine everybody says Phil Parkinson picks the team and sends them out with his instructions so yes I do think Phil Parkinson deserves some stick. Still peace love & daffodils and all that. On to Tuesday night against football playing and winning without spending lorry loads of £ Millwall
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Post by OohMac on Apr 8, 2018 16:29:50 GMT
Joanna, the argument is flawed. Of course we are going to miss Madine. He was top scorer and focal point. Do Everton miss Lukaku? Liverpool Suarez? United and Ronaldo? Sometimes you need to sell and all you can hope for is that the money is right. Selling Madine needed to be done question is did we do enough to replace him? Evidently not.
There's definitely something wrong with Parky wanting to play a certain way and then us signing 5f4 Clough and Walker.
We all knew Gary was going so why did we sit on our hands until 10pm on 31st Jan, Phil should have had his targets in mind and we should have agreed with Cardiff weeks before.
In that sense Phil has been badly let down. But what do you do? Playing the same system with a Madine shape hole in the side is the worst retort I can think of but its evident that's what's happening. Though never did at villa and Bristol City or at Hilsborough and Majeski(from accounts) seems to be international break and Parky has gone back to his "September" playbook. We went 12 without a win and without looking like scoring.
We've got three huge finals. Millwall, Barnsley and Burton. 7 points from them. Safe.
So as bad a position as is it The road to redemption for Parky is ultimately quite a straight forward one.
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Post by bonaparte on Apr 8, 2018 19:02:59 GMT
Joanna, Good managers play to the strengths of their players. PP played to Madine and ignored Vela, Ameobi,et al. Hoofball. There is no one left who can win the hoofball, so why continue with it? Why not play to feet? Why persevere with three at the back,the three goals that I saw on video came from failings in the middle of the back three. Seen that before, but has PP learnt? Please PP pick a team and style of play to suit the players, and if possible in the future, bring in players that suit your preferred style, but clearly they are not in your current squad.
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Post by thegrud1 on Apr 8, 2018 19:14:46 GMT
Got to say a *BIG* thumbs up to Joanna,,has an opinion and not afraid to say it...TOP MARKS!
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