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Post by OohMac on Apr 3, 2018 22:12:52 GMT
Think a night of bad decisions. Another chance to convert the extra 5 or 6 thousand to start coming again but we blow it. And it's not just a case of not winning its this awful hoofball. Unimaginative crap. High balls to Le Fondre. Beevers knocking it out of play. Players shirking away from the ball.
They played with 10 men for a small part of the 2nd half. With Buckley we played with 10 for longer. What a non entity he is. Doesn't look fit enough, interested enough and certainly not good enough. We ignored the left hand side all game long until he went off.
Parkinson binary football brought us a 0 tonight. International break for me is mirroring preseason. Whilst other clubs are getting back to speed and looking to improve were scratching our heads wondering why hoofing it doesn't work.
I don't see us staying up simply because Barnsley will turn us over as will clubs playing for play offs. The only hope we've got is all the clubs below us winning fewer than needed to get past 39 because that's my points prediction for the season!
Taylor captain? Coming off his worst game and calls for Robinson to be reinstated.
I don't want Parky here next season regardless so for me I would like to see an immediate change. Galvanise the players again!
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Post by andyl on Apr 3, 2018 22:16:23 GMT
Dreadful game. Overly negative from the off. No change at half time. Bad error by Henry for free kick but not his fault noone marked Jutkiewicz nor that Alnwick froze.
We wasted twenty minutes after half time. And v 10 men we were clueless launching continuous hoofs which they mopped up with ease.
No shots on target. No wingplay. Why no Morais? Why not try Ameobi on the left?
We matched them but for the goal but were second to most tackles and beaten by a better, more committed team.
I'm not sure of the point of introducing Zach if we were just going to hoof it. He might as well have used Wilbraham for that. Nor do I understand how Taylor, the human cul de sac, has got ahead of Robinson for a game we needed to attack
No doubt PP will bleat about referees and penalties but for me on this day poor set up and poor tactics were the real issue
Alnwick 4 Flanagan 6 Burke 6 Beevers 5 Taylor 5 Derik 6 Vela 3 Henry 5 Ameobi 4 Buckley 2 Le Fondre 7 ( stuck really well to a thankless task!)
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Post by bonaparte on Apr 3, 2018 23:19:46 GMT
Spot on Andy.
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Post by Pedro on Apr 3, 2018 23:24:50 GMT
It has all been said. Parky! you must be really thick. If I was Ken I would put him on gardening leave for the rest of the season and let David Lee, Zico and Spooner coach the team exactly the way they coach the youngsters - to SCORE GOALS. Parky's lads - 18 games now without scoring more than 1 goal. Utter disgrace. The U18's have just won their last game 6-3.
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 4, 2018 8:36:54 GMT
Can't add to anything that's already been said other than that's my season over now. My gardens coming to life and the grandkids will occupy my time and thoughts far better than happenings at Bolton, so good luck for the season to you all, I fear you'll be disappointed but I still hope not. Assuming Parkinson's gone I'll be back next season whatever league were in. There are much more important things in life than supporting Anderson's personal fiefdom,so I'll leave that to you brave souls who can still be interested.
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Post by davidm on Apr 4, 2018 9:37:59 GMT
I couldn’t write anything last night – I was too angry and frustrated.
Given the context of the game, that goes down as the worst of the season.
Everything that took place reinforced my beliefs that the manager is incompetent at this level.
We played a 5ft 9 striker and just endlessly hoofed the ball to him. Le Fondre did quite well but he cannot play that style. We all know that. We have known that for 18 months so why do it?
The first half was dreadful. Birmingham lined up with 2 banks of 4 and just held us off with no problem.
We had 2 chances – the dreadful Buckley yet again failed to head a ball properly when Vela and Ameobi took a short corner and Vela totally wasted a break on the right with a pathetic ball into the centre.
Birmingham rarely threatened but at least they passed the ball to their own players. Our passing was atrocious. And don’t get me on basic ball control. Buckley’s first touch of the ball resulted in it running 5 yards away from him and possession lost. Buckley wasn’t the only one – we just don’t have the ability to trap and control a ball.
Birmingham at least had control of the ball. Jutkiewicz completely dominated our centre backs. How many headers did we win last night?
It looked like deadlock in the first half until Henry ridiculously messed up. He had the ball with a simple pass out to the left available to him but turned 180 degrees to the right, was caught in possession and gave away a ridiculous free kick.
The free kick was dreadfully defended. Throughout the first half, we had been slow to react to loose balls and lost them all. We did the same with the free kick and stood statuesque as Jutkiewicz (who else) stole in to score.
A truly abysmal first half.
Whatever happens in the dressing room at half time never influences the game. We kicked off for the second half. Ball played back to Burke – big boot forward, possession lost and we did not touch the ball for the next 5 minutes.
Birmingham just out-tacticed us. They stayed with the 2 banks of 4 – even after the sending off – and easily kept us at bay.
It took until the 72nd minute to get a shot in and that was off target.
Substitutions made no difference – Noone to his credit got some crosses in. Beevers and Burke played hoofball up to our strikers – none of whom are target men. It took until the 91st minute for the manager to move Beevers up front to try and get on the end of these hopeless punts.
So the match petered out – a shocking result.
There were complaints about lack of penalties – that is just a smokescreen to cover an inept performance. I saw both straight on and wouldn’t have given any. Where do we expect men to have their arms? They were both straight at their sides.
Make no mistake about it, this was 100% relegation form – from the players, from the manager.
We start each game with the attitude of not to lose – not an attitude of trying to win – and when the goal goes against us we have no idea what to do.
What did we do over the international break? Certaily not work out how to play to a small striker!
Next 2 home games are Millwall and Wolves – oh dear.
Totally totally depressing.
Alnwick - 5 Low score because he had nothing to do. He did what he had to but was under-employed.
Flannigan - 3 Was this man an England international? Awful passing in first half and it took to way into the second half before he ventured forward.
Burke - 4 Looked like a Youth team player up against Jutkiewicz. Endlessly outjumped. Very average.
Beevers - 3 Same as Burke with his defensive frailties. Jutkiewicz murdered him. His distribution was abysmal.
Taylor - 3 Slow. Added nothing to the team going forward until mid-second half.
Henry - 3 Terrible mistake leading to Birmingham goal. Contributed practically nothing.
Derik - 3 Just outclassed by the opposition.
Vela - 3 Where is last season’s Josh Vela? His passing was awful and the last 10 minutes he just gave possession away by endless stupid fouls.
Ameobi - 3 Birmingham sussed him out. Put a man on him, gave him no room. Totally ineffective. And he is NOT a target man Mr Parkinson.
Buckley - 2 Truly dreadful. Missed easy header. No positive play at all.
Le Fondre - 5 Best of a bad bunch. He tried hard (and fouled a lot) against a giant Birmingham defence but our tactics were ridiculous.
Noone - 5 At least got some crosses in.
Kirchoff - 2 Not fit so really a waste.
Clough - 3 A struggle Manager - 1 Awful tactics. I am sick of the way we play.
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Post by Pedro on Apr 4, 2018 13:01:11 GMT
Re the penalty claims - I have just watched the replays in slow motion and both Birmingham players raising their arms wide at shoulder level when the balls were kicked. "I have seen them given" Agree with all the above.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 18:27:44 GMT
Don't leave 63 we need more of your honest assessment of the games instead of fluff and flannel it won't be the same without you. Anyway I don't think anything will change till the end of the season. I have been looking at Barnsley's fixtures and they play Sheff Utd, Derby, Forrest, Ipswich, Leeds, Brentford and us so if we can beat them or at least draw we could still be in the driving seat
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Post by joanna on Apr 4, 2018 18:36:36 GMT
Yes, that was a truly horrible performance in a very important game. I have no idea why Buckley, Taylor, Wilbraham and Noone were chosen.They are clearly not up to the job. Little and Robinson should have played. Henry and Kirschoff were evidently not fit. Pratley was missing, injured.
As for the rest, I suppose Parky had the right to expect that performance levels shown against Villa could be repeated here, but every one of them, bar Alnwick, let down themselves, the club, the fans and the manager. Alf could be excused to a certain extent.
The high punt up to the smallest man on the pitch was lunacy after the team had seemed to have reined in that tactic somewhat when Madine was sold. It's hard to believe that the management could have asked them to revert to that habit against the strapping Brum defenders. But, equally surely, our defenders wouldn't have taken it on themselves to simply launch it at every opportunity......would they??!!
And having coolly seen out the final pressurised game of last season to win promotion, again it might have been expected that they could stay composed enough to do that again last night in an equally important fixture.
Ironically, it was just the sort of game where, having tried and failed at some sort of passing strategy, it might have been opportune to bring on the one player we had who could make the most of hoofed passes......but he was sold, presumably against PP's wishes. A short-sighted sale, when sometimes a plan B is needed. If this makes the difference between safety and relegation, I shall be as angry as most of you get! Last season, Morais was able to cross very profitably to a target man, but that option has gone, except at dead-ball situations, and the Postman has lost his effectiveness and been left out. Basically, we have cut off our habitual route to goals, especially with Vela having also lost himself without Madine. Now we don't look like scoring unless the ball falls kindly for Alf. Ameobi looks lethargic and unlikely to produce wonder goals often enough.
Please note, everyone: I am NOT saying that the Madine-type option is attractive or entertaining but, if Wilbraham is our alternative and we can't consistently pass-and-move with pace and precision, we have more or less committed hari-kiri.
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Post by OohMac on Apr 4, 2018 19:58:49 GMT
I don't think the atmosphere was at all toxic last night, but the comments on the main page have been as angry as I've seen. Can understand why as well.
From an outside view looking in you might see the result and think that's a bad one but may think that calling for Parkinson to lose his job is way over the top. I can see that point but I think Phils limitations have been there to see not just this season but also last.
Last night was simply as bad as it's ever been for me. If a match ever summed up a manager it was this.
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Post by joanna on Apr 5, 2018 9:41:03 GMT
Have still not read any sensible suggestions for a replacement manager at this stage of the season: who could we actually afford to recruit that is available, would be willing to take on this task, and could guarantee survival?
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Post by OohMac on Apr 5, 2018 10:03:30 GMT
Well no one can guarantee survival. Parkinson included. Keeping Parky for the next 6 games will happen but I don't think he's pivotal to our survival. Seen with Monk any new manager can get that 2nd wind. Short term of course.
You might be right about keeping PP but if we don't want him next season(I don't) then why keep him for these crucial games. If Ken does want him next season(very plausible) then there's no real debate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 15:57:27 GMT
As much as I want PP gone I think it would be stupid to get rid of him with just 6 games to go. I would like to see Mick Mcarthy or Alan Pardew as manager but it will cost a far bit of money. Still lets try and look on the bright side we still have Blind Willy Brown to fall back on hahahaha.
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Post by bonaparte on Apr 5, 2018 22:04:10 GMT
Anyone who thinks that we will have a new manager before the end of the season is delusional. PP will survive. So, what went wrong? In my opinion it was the hoof ball. Alf too small, midfield cut out. Ameobi, Vela, Alf , possible match winners given roles not suited to their skills. Defenders went to sleep on the goal. Plan too narrow when Brum down to 10 men. Make your own mind up. Joanna, forget Madine, PP may or may not have been consulted, don't know, but we can see it is PP preferred style to play long ball, and now cannot work out another strategy. Relegation looms, sad.
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Post by Alptrotter on Apr 6, 2018 11:41:23 GMT
Playing with a back four puts far too much pressure on our wide midfield players , Buckley and Noone are just weak and poor. and Ameobi and Vela are wasted there. Neither Taylor nor Flanagan look comfortable in the opposition half, so they never offer real support and therefore we just never build up any momentum going forward. I wonder whether it isn’t time to revive the 3 at the back, with Burke a (hopefully) ball playing sweeper between Beevers and Wheater. Robinson and Little aren’t great, but they do have pace and push on. Morais would be an alternative to Little, perhaps even preferable. In midfield, a central 3 would ideally have Derik in a holding role, Kirchhoff as playmaker and Vela as box to box man. With Ameobi in behind ALF and linking up both ways with the wing backs, we could hopefully try to play the ball out from the back on the ground. I do think we have the players to play this way and at least this tactic would get rid of Buckley, Noone, Henry and Pratley.
I don’t profess to be great tactician. but if something IS broke, at least try to FIX it. More of the same is simply unacceptable.
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