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Post by Phil from Smithills on May 4, 2018 20:57:07 GMT
Fantastic result for the U23's, the team spirit I saw on Tuesday night against Charlton was evident again tonight with their rendering of Sweet Caroline in the dressing room after the match.
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Post by OohMac on May 5, 2018 9:53:10 GMT
Ken must read the Trottersforever forum!!! If he Does it must be a recent thing as we've been calling to at least try Hall, Earing and King before bemoaning the fact that we've tried everything and nothing works. Well done lads. Let's hope to get your some long term contracts and bring you into the first team next year.
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Post by Pedro on May 29, 2018 17:33:37 GMT
Just seen this on Burnden Aces. Jeff King has left. Well done BWFC
Posting to his Twitter page, King, who was part of the Trotters' under-23 title-winning side, said: "Would like to thank everyone involved at Bolton Wanderers for the last 18 months.
"Giving me the chance to prove myself, feel like I have progressed massively, enjoyed every minute of it!
"But time for me to go and play more league games and kick on!"
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Post by thegrud1 on May 29, 2018 17:42:17 GMT
Why am I not surprised !!!!!!
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Post by OohMac on May 29, 2018 20:09:07 GMT
Well I will say that over the years we have released players that I believed would go on to better only for them to be let downs.
What is the point though, of winning leagues and cups and getting voted 2nd best academy and then releasing the players. I wonder what Lee, Kelly, Phillips and Spooner think about this. It must be disheartening to say the least.
Would say it makes more sense to give a better contract (rolling with option to extend) and send on loan for games.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 30, 2018 10:46:20 GMT
Well I will say that over the years we have released players that I believed would go on to better only for them to be let downs. What is the point though, of winning leagues and cups and getting voted 2nd best academy and then releasing the players. I wonder what Lee, Kelly, Phillips and Spooner think about this. It must be disheartening to say the least. Would say it makes more sense to give a better contract (rolling with option to extend) and send on loan for games. Quite right OM, the club could have loaned the lad out for experience but they (Parky) obviously don't see King as part of the plans. In fairness, you could probably say that about any of the "footballers" in the club, including young Hall, despite the number of goals he's scored. It really must be soul destroying for the staff to see their good work wasted but under Parky, as long as they produce players outside of his hoof it system, they will continue to be disappointed. The club has to decide whether it's going to be Parky long term or not and if it is then the U23 and U18 sides need to play the same way in order to feed the first team. It's absolutely pointless Lee, Kelly, Spooner producing players that don't fit in and will just end up being released. It's a horrible prospect for me but seems the only thing that makes sense. Other than sacking Parky of course!! One can live in hope.
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Post by davidm on May 30, 2018 12:16:10 GMT
Well I will say that over the years we have released players that I believed would go on to better only for them to be let downs. What is the point though, of winning leagues and cups and getting voted 2nd best academy and then releasing the players. I wonder what Lee, Kelly, Phillips and Spooner think about this. It must be disheartening to say the least. Would say it makes more sense to give a better contract (rolling with option to extend) and send on loan for games. Quite right OM, the club could have loaned the lad out for experience but they (Parky) obviously don't see King as part of the plans. In fairness, you could probably say that about any of the "footballers" in the club, including young Hall, despite the number of goals he's scored. It really must be soul destroying for the staff to see their good work wasted but under Parky, as long as they produce players outside of his hoof it system, they will continue to be disappointed. The club has to decide whether it's going to be Parky long term or not and if it is then the U23 and U18 sides need to play the same way in order to feed the first team. It's absolutely pointless Lee, Kelly, Spooner producing players that don't fit in and will just end up being released. It's a horrible prospect for me but seems the only thing that makes sense. Other than sacking Parky of course!! One can live in hope. Totally agree. You have to question what the point of the academy is when they perform so well, win things, get praised and then released. The academy management team must be so disillusioned. The club needs to take care not to antagonise the supporters. Something like this is a kick in the teeth to us all. The idea of playing the same style of football throughout all areas of the club is 100% correct but please not hoofball as the standard. By the way, James Hanson is on the transfer list at Sheff Utd!!
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Post by whitesince63 on May 30, 2018 22:25:30 GMT
Quite right OM, the club could have loaned the lad out for experience but they (Parky) obviously don't see King as part of the plans. In fairness, you could probably say that about any of the "footballers" in the club, including young Hall, despite the number of goals he's scored. It really must be soul destroying for the staff to see their good work wasted but under Parky, as long as they produce players outside of his hoof it system, they will continue to be disappointed. The club has to decide whether it's going to be Parky long term or not and if it is then the U23 and U18 sides need to play the same way in order to feed the first team. It's absolutely pointless Lee, Kelly, Spooner producing players that don't fit in and will just end up being released. It's a horrible prospect for me but seems the only thing that makes sense. Other than sacking Parky of course!! One can live in hope. Totally agree. You have to question what the point of the academy is when they perform so well, win things, get praised and then released. The academy management team must be so disillusioned. The club needs to take care not to antagonise the supporters. Something like this is a kick in the teeth to us all. The idea of playing the same style of football throughout all areas of the club is 100% correct but please not hoofball as the standard. By the way, James Hanson is on the transfer list at Sheff Utd!! Not much of a surprise there really David, he only played about a dozen games for Wilder before being loaned to Bury for the rest of the season. Obviously will be cheap/free for Uncle Ken and bound to consider a reunion with Parky, so looks like the makings of a good deal all round, except that is of course for the fans!! I suspect this is the kind of deal we'll be subjected to in order to suit Parky's style and Kens pocket unless he can find a buyer for the club beforehand?
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Post by Pedro on Jun 1, 2018 10:25:33 GMT
According to the BN Jeff King was released by Parkinson and many posters on the BN who obviously never saw him are doubting whether he should have been kept on.
Jeff was one of about 5 players who would have fitted well into any team NOT managed by Parky. I saw the U23's many times last season and the improvement that DL and TK managed to achieve in the whole team was very apparent compared to the lack of improvent in most players NOT achieved by Parky. Jeff and Connor are of the highest standard I have seen in many years of watching the reserves. Much fitter, with twice the pace of most First teamers and with far greater FOOTBALLING skills. The U23's play high speed, pass and move football, very exciting to watch compared to the first team (barring the last game v Notts Forrest). All U23 goals were out of the top drawer and in hindsight could have got the first team out of the hole of non scoring and single goal games that we had to endure. If of course Parky had changed tactics as he did in the last game of the season. The question still remains to me is DID he change tactics or did the players themselves just do their own thing spurred on by us screaming "Attack, attack, attack"?
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Post by wots on Jun 1, 2018 12:22:38 GMT
I don't suppose that we will ever know the answer to that question Pedro. I did at one stage in the season that there was a responsibility on the players to change tack if hoofball wasn't working. I take this from my own playing days (not professional btw). During the game we would fathom out what wasn't working, who was a danger to us and how to stop it. We didn't always wait 'til half time to sus things out.
No matter, looks like Parky will be with us for a while yet, so expect more of the same. It'll certainly please whites who's been taking some stick on the BN site. Someone even wishing he were dead. lol
Good luck to King though. I never saw him play, but from what you say, I expect him to show up at another cub to prove Parky (and Anderson) wrong.
I wonder what input DL and TK had in his release/retention?
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Post by thekraken on Jun 2, 2018 10:14:13 GMT
I did see Jeff King play, at West Ham in the League Cup, and he didn't impress me at all. OK a difficult game to play in but I didn't see any spark of greatness. I remember when I first saw Jason McAteer play in one of his early games at WBA and thinking Wow this lad's got something. Similarly Paul Scholes in the 5-0 drubbing that Utd gave us at Burnden in the mid-90s.
See my post at the top of the thread about what happened to the Holding/Clough generation. Very few make it. Good luck to Jeff and I hope he can make a good living in the lower leagues but that's all it'll amount to I'm afraid.
Football consumes and spits out a lot of young lives to produce the fortunate few who make it to the top. Having an academy is really important to us but it's unrealistic to think that more than one or two from our successful U23 will make it to the big time
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Post by OohMac on Jun 2, 2018 10:45:24 GMT
Kraken, I take your points. (It was 6-0 to United) but do you not feel it unfair to judge him off one game. Away. At a Premiership club. And from that game which players came out with any credit?
And the two players you named is probably the most complete player we've ever had and a player that Zidane and Xavi have both labelled the best player of that generation. And Paul Scholes was half decent.
I'm not going to argue that King is definitely good enough and will go on to sign for Spurs for £30M in two years time or anything like that. I just think that any team that has just won the league at that level must a.) have something about them or B.) have a price tag that surely must cover wages.
At the start of the season I would value Jack Grealish at around the £1M if that. He's now being touted(unrealistically) at £40M. Even in TV money that's ridiculous. Point being young players develop differently or perhaps get their heads straight over time.
There seems to be an element on the BN news at the moment where people just trying to go against the grain and some are taking a great amount of enjoyment that fans are quiet upset that were losing a core of players that we had hoped could become the nucleus of an attacking, enthusiastic team.
Sorry but I've found this a bitter pill to swallow to release this lad when mediocre players are still mulling over their £16k a week contract.
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Post by thekraken on Jun 3, 2018 8:50:57 GMT
Yes, OM, maybe a bit unfair to judge on one game, but those who saw his every game have decided to release him. And Lee and Kelly will have made an input into that decision. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
Unless I've missed something only 3 of the U23 squad have been released which means the rest are either under contract or negotiating a new one so it's not as though the squad has been decimated has it?
Picking up on your point about Grealish I agree that young players develop differently. A Villa STH friend of mine told that he's been paired up with a mate of his who didn't make it at Villa but is now is personal fitness coach. They really get on and he's been a big influence on both Grealish's attitude and getting him to bulk up. Given the numbers being bandied about that looks like a good investment.
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Post by thekraken on Jun 19, 2018 10:19:40 GMT
See that Jack Earing (age 19 midfield), Chiori Johnson (age 20 right back Arsenal), Stephen McKenna (aged 17 Everton forward) and Joe Pritchard (age 21 Spurs midfield) have signed pro contracts with us. The imports were on trial at the end of last season and obviously made a good impression. It’s probably worth taking a punt on players like these from a premiership set up. Due to our lowly status we're never going to be able to attract the very best juniors. I expect that they’ll all be decent but judged not good enough to break through at Prem level but maybe could come through in the Championship. Would expect the ex-Spurs lad to be challenging for a first team place very quickly if he settles in as he’s that bit older. I suspect he’s a like for like replacement for Jeff King and judged a better player. You can read a bit about him here. www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/players/tottenham-hotspur-midfielder-posts-emotional-14669771
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Post by OohMac on Jun 19, 2018 20:08:57 GMT
Can't win with me, cried out last season for younger presence in the team but this news leaves me panicking. Is Ken just making the numbers up with kids to shave the wage bill and reduce the outgoings column but leaving us severely lacking.
It does remind me slightly of Blackpool and Oyston when they had 6 registered players with weeks to go.
Would say that Ken has never really let us down in the way Oyston has but he isn't in this for the long haul
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