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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 17, 2018 22:24:54 GMT
Actually I thought the last window was excellent Paul, getting silly money for the washing machine and bringing in Zach, Walker and Flanagan, all of who I think will benefit us, particularly Flanagan when he's fully fit. Yes, I too would have liked a ball winning midfielder but there just aren't many about and certainly less that we could afford. I'm happy that the squad we have is more than good enough to keep us up if played correctly and as usual, that is the problem!! Will it be under Parky? I really hope you‘re right. White, and I agree re Madine. But the lack of any creativity of any sort in midfield is killing us. The squad is unbalanced and Parky should carry the can for that. Im not sure Parkinson has ever looked for that type of player Paul, so even if there was one available we wouldn't be in for him. Look at the number of wingers andfull backs that Parky has signed and you can see where his priorities are. If you aren't going to play through midfield what is the point of a creative player there anyway. When did Parkinson ever do that? He has played the same hoof up to a big man all hisanagerial career and is still doing so now, even though he doesn't have one to hoof to. There's no point even discussing what we would do or he should do because he will continue with the same stuff irrespective of the results. Today it was the refs fault. There's only two people to blame for our situation.parky for playing it and Anderson for allowing him to. That said, I really do think that defeat to Sunderland on Tuesday could just tip the balance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 10:23:01 GMT
Did any body watch the channel five show last night ? in it they posted a table of clubs that have changed managers since last season and the vast majority were worse of after the change than before it . so as the man said just be careful what you wish for .
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Post by OohMac on Feb 18, 2018 11:26:18 GMT
Out of context I don't see the argument for Sacking Parky. Two away games where they are expected to take a point at most. We're out of danger zone and have just pulled the rug from under his feet with the selling of Madine, his crown jewel. From an outside view you'd be quite right to ask what do we expect? And regarding the teams that have sacked the managers and not done well I would argue that I did not rate Chris Coleman as a manager, life's a lot harder without Gareth Bale. Birmingham too have made some bad decisions how they must miss Gary Rowett?
However this is dire anti football. Setting up for 0-0 draws and ultimately falling behind especially away. We don't even try and win and Parkinson is unwilling to chane and try new things. He's set in his ways however his ways are both unsuccessful and driving crowds away.
Best case scenario we survive and then what? Same again next year? For me we need a change. A complete overhaul. Stop the hoofing and play football.
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Post by Alptrotter on Feb 18, 2018 11:52:09 GMT
I really hope you‘re right. White, and I agree re Madine. But the lack of any creativity of any sort in midfield is killing us. The squad is unbalanced and Parky should carry the can for that. Im not sure Parkinson has ever looked for that type of player Paul, so even if there was one available we wouldn't be in for him. Look at the number of wingers andfull backs that Parky has signed and you can see where his priorities are. If you aren't going to play through midfield what is the point of a creative player there anyway. When did Parkinson ever do that? He has played the same hoof up to a big man all hisanagerial career and is still doing so now, even though he doesn't have one to hoof to. There's no point even discussing what we would do or he should do because he will continue with the same stuff irrespective of the results. Today it was the refs fault. There's only two people to blame for our situation.parky for playing it and Anderson for allowing him to. That said, I really do think that defeat to Sunderland on Tuesday could just tip the balance. I don‘t disagree, Whites, but what I meant when I said the lack of midfield creativity is killing us, was that we can‘t depend on a piece of brilliance from Ameobi or ALF to score, nor can we expect our zero transfer fee defence to hold out every game. More often that not we‘ll slide to a narrow defeat like yesterday. Last time I looked at the table, only two teams had scored fewer than us and only two had conceded more. That says it all for me about the way we play.
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Post by andyl on Feb 18, 2018 17:14:53 GMT
Im not sure Parkinson has ever looked for that type of player Paul, so even if there was one available we wouldn't be in for him. Look at the number of wingers andfull backs that Parky has signed and you can see where his priorities are. If you aren't going to play through midfield what is the point of a creative player there anyway. When did Parkinson ever do that? He has played the same hoof up to a big man all hisanagerial career and is still doing so now, even though he doesn't have one to hoof to. There's no point even discussing what we would do or he should do because he will continue with the same stuff irrespective of the results. Today it was the refs fault. There's only two people to blame for our situation.parky for playing it and Anderson for allowing him to. That said, I really do think that defeat to Sunderland on Tuesday could just tip the balance. I don‘t disagree, Whites, but what I meant when I said the lack of midfield creativity is killing us, was that we can‘t depend on a piece of brilliance from Ameobi or ALF to score, nor can we expect our zero transfer fee defence to hold out every game. More often that not we‘ll slide to a narrow defeat like yesterday. Last time I looked at the table, only two teams had scored fewer than us and only two had conceded more. That says it all for me about the way we play. You could have added, ws63, that we have bought all these wingers- Ameobi, Buckley, Morais, Noone and we don't play any of them on the wing!!! Too often this year we have had Little (or Darby) and Taylor or Robinson playing up the field. There is a case for Robinson to go to left midfield with Taylor or Flanagan behind? But I just do not see that Morais is other than the best right wing or right wing back we have. In both recent games our best indeed only good move came via link up play through Morais and Ameobi. And although I'm pleased to have seen Ameobi run centrally he's the best left sided player we have. And Walker and Clough are pretty good centrally with Le Fondre in the mix too. And if any are off form both Noone and Buckley have good pedigree. Yesterday we saw Karacan. His delicate chip for an onrushing Walker reminded us that he is our best crestive midfielder. He didn't do much else but it is so negative to play both Henry and Derik and not Karacan. Against Matt Smith the antidote needrd was a good keeper. Not a great keeper just a good one. Alnwick demonstrably isn't it. He made two or three really good saves yesterday but aerially he is a mess.and the balls he either half went for or didn't go for- some of which Smith got to- should be just routine'too near the keeper ' crosses..but Alnwick is nearly always a no show. Beevers and Robinson had no chance. No doubt PPs remedy will be Pratley- It is going to be very very hard. I don't think though we are missing Madine except in defence
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Post by Alptrotter on Feb 18, 2018 17:29:27 GMT
I don‘t disagree, Whites, but what I meant when I said the lack of midfield creativity is killing us, was that we can‘t depend on a piece of brilliance from Ameobi or ALF to score, nor can we expect our zero transfer fee defence to hold out every game. More often that not we‘ll slide to a narrow defeat like yesterday. Last time I looked at the table, only two teams had scored fewer than us and only two had conceded more. That says it all for me about the way we play. You could have added, ws63, that we have bought all these wingers- Ameobi, Buckley, Morais, Noone and we don't play any of them on the wing!!! Too often this year we have had Little (or Darby) and Taylor or Robinson playing up the field. There is a case for Robinson to go to left midfield with Taylor or Flanagan behind? But I just do not see that Morais is other than the best right wing or right wing back we have. In both recent games our best indeed only good move came via link up play through Morais and Ameobi. And although I'm pleased to have seen Ameobi run centrally he's the best left sided player we have. And Walker and Clough are pretty good centrally with Le Fondre in the mix too. And if any are off form both Noone and Buckley have good pedigree. Yesterday we saw Karacan. His delicate chip for an onrushing Walker reminded us that he is our best crestive midfielder. He didn't do much else but it is so negative to play both Henry and Derik and not Karacan. Against Matt Smith the antidote needrd was a good keeper. Not a great keeper just a good one. Alnwick demonstrably isn't it. He made two or three really good saves yesterday but aerially he is a mess.and the balls he either half went for or didn't go for- some of which Smith got to- should be just routine'too near the keeper ' crosses..but Alnwick is nearly always a no show. Beevers and Robinson had no chance. No doubt PPs remedy will be Pratley- It is going to be very very hard. I don't think though we are missing Madine except in defence I‘m not Alnwick‘s greatest fan at all, but to blame him for the defeat yesterday? Sorry, I don‘t buy that at all..
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Post by andyl on Feb 18, 2018 17:38:52 GMT
You could have added, ws63, that we have bought all these wingers- Ameobi, Buckley, Morais, Noone and we don't play any of them on the wing!!! Too often this year we have had Little (or Darby) and Taylor or Robinson playing up the field. There is a case for Robinson to go to left midfield with Taylor or Flanagan behind? But I just do not see that Morais is other than the best right wing or right wing back we have. In both recent games our best indeed only good move came via link up play through Morais and Ameobi. And although I'm pleased to have seen Ameobi run centrally he's the best left sided player we have. And Walker and Clough are pretty good centrally with Le Fondre in the mix too. And if any are off form both Noone and Buckley have good pedigree. Yesterday we saw Karacan. His delicate chip for an onrushing Walker reminded us that he is our best crestive midfielder. He didn't do much else but it is so negative to play both Henry and Derik and not Karacan. Against Matt Smith the antidote needrd was a good keeper. Not a great keeper just a good one. Alnwick demonstrably isn't it. He made two or three really good saves yesterday but aerially he is a mess.and the balls he either half went for or didn't go for- some of which Smith got to- should be just routine'too near the keeper ' crosses..but Alnwick is nearly always a no show. Beevers and Robinson had no chance. No doubt PPs remedy will be Pratley- It is going to be very very hard. I don't think though we are missing Madine except in defence I‘m not Alnwick‘s greatest fan at all, but to blame him for the defeat yesterday? Sorry, I don‘t buy that at all.. Blame is the wrong word. Alnwick is what he is and as I said he made three or four good saves. But he is poor in the air. His first half save flying to his left only happened because he half came, stopped and had to make it. My overall point here is that if our approach is passive and we are relying on not losing several of our defenders are probably not up to it and our keeper certainly isn't. Any high ball or shot from distance is a problem for him.
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Post by Pedro on Feb 18, 2018 20:40:43 GMT
Oh dear again. Just awful and embarrassing. Only good thing were the fantastic 1100 odd fans who never moaned and got some really long "we are the one and only wanderers" chants going, just like the old days which must have geed up the lads but to no avail. Unfortunately the EFL in their wisdom have not included any of that brief excitement when we actually were attacking in their extended highlights so our performance looks even worse than it was. I agree with all the other posts by posters that attended the game. I just love that ground - something very special and intimate about it but such a long way to go to be really disappointed with your Manager and team. I do agree with Andy about Alnwick. Why doesn't the Manager and GK coach order him to jump and catch those crosses? Why doesn't Alnwick realise that with a good jump his hands are going to be way higher than any Smith or others going for the header? It makes me nervous watching his dithering and nervy looks which must give the opposition so much more confidence. Yes he does make some great saves but if only he would get some cojones and really come out and JUMP! Possession Home69% Away31% Shots Home22 Away7 Shots on Target Home8 Away3 Corners Home9 Away5 Fouls Home13 Away12
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Post by Alptrotter on Feb 19, 2018 8:40:38 GMT
I‘m not Alnwick‘s greatest fan at all, but to blame him for the defeat yesterday? Sorry, I don‘t buy that at all.. Blame is the wrong word. Alnwick is what he is and as I said he made three or four good saves. But he is poor in the air. His first half save flying to his left only happened because he half came, stopped and had to make it. My overall point here is that if our approach is passive and we are relying on not losing several of our defenders are probably not up to it and our keeper certainly isn't. Any high ball or shot from distance is a problem for him. While I definitely agree that a goalkeeper who can command his area , at least to the 6 yard line -or get fouled in the attempt -is a good thing, we also should look to two experienced centre backs who were bullied and cowed all afternoon. The sheer panic at the back was most often nothing to do with Alnwick and, having looked at the goals again, I don‘t he was responsible for either. I imagine that we would agree that a big part of the problem is that Parky sets the team up to have 30% possession, but ignores the facts that it does not possess the defensive resilience or speed of counterattack to make that work.
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Post by andyl on Feb 19, 2018 8:52:49 GMT
Blame is the wrong word. Alnwick is what he is and as I said he made three or four good saves. But he is poor in the air. His first half save flying to his left only happened because he half came, stopped and had to make it. My overall point here is that if our approach is passive and we are relying on not losing several of our defenders are probably not up to it and our keeper certainly isn't. Any high ball or shot from distance is a problem for him. While I definitely agree that a goalkeeper who can command his area , at least to the 6 yard line -or get fouled in the attempt -is a good thing, we also should look to two experienced centre backs who were bullied and cowed all afternoon. The sheer panic at the back was most often nothing to do with Alnwick and, having looked at the goals again, I don‘t he was responsible for either. I imagine that we would agree that a big part of the problem is that Parky sets the team up to have 30% possession, but ignores the facts that it does not possess the defensive resilience or speed of counterattack to make that work. Indeed. I would only add that at the game the crosses finding Smith were not fast low ones but in the air and high. I think some goalkeepers gather that type of cross with ease. How many times have we seen far post crosses leave Alnwick floundering? Several on Saturday. But yes Wheater Burke and especially Beevers had difficulty. Also playing the 3-5-2 line up often takes out a full back on the far post- I think back to how good Alonso was on the back post We are just too passive and hopelessly devoid of composure at the back, even Burke has caught the malaise. At times our defence and midfield resemble nothing so much as an ill maintained and ancient bar football machine in the hands of an impetuous and poor player-where players swing feet aimlessly in any direction and thrash the ball ever forward to anywhere. Whatever do they practise all week?
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Post by OohMac on Feb 19, 2018 13:04:20 GMT
Have No idea what Parky does in training. Previously jokes that they hire out a driving range. Got Madine to stand on the 150 metre Mark and everyone else launched balls at him.
Now he's gone I think they just work on media training post match defeat queue card "we can take a lot of encouragement from that" and "it was an even game until..."
I know it's unorthodox and will not likely happen but if I was Ken I'd give Parky the task of taking control of development squad games just to see if he can play a different brand of football without the excuses of what he hasn't got.
Simply put give Parkinson De Bruyne and Hazard and he'd probably bypass then to hoof it to the big man.
This is an alternative team that are currently not being used.
Howard. Darby. Flanagan. Burke or Dervite. Taylor(a) Karacan Charsley Noone Buckley Taylor (c) Wilbraham.
A full team, ok some injuries but even when for they were hardly given a sniff. And I could include ALF, Derick, Morais who are only getting half a chance because of injuries.
Out of all these players which ones has Parky kept on and brought in? All of them. Every single one! Either Superagent and Dad are buying players he doesn't want(why when they're skint) or PP can't spot a player or more likely the players he gets just cannot adapt to this horrible system.
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Post by thegrud1 on Feb 19, 2018 13:32:53 GMT
*******I know it's unorthodox and will not likely happen but if I was Ken I'd give Parky the task of taking control of development squad games just to see if he can play a different brand of football without the excuses of what he hasn't got. ******* The developement teams do play a different football than the first team.....passing /fast football and they play it well particularly the U,18,s.. Maybe Parky either doesnt know or hasnt had time to change it !!!!...keep him away !!!!
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Post by joanna on Feb 19, 2018 14:10:42 GMT
The match showed exactly why we made a mistake in selling Madine without a similar replacement. As if to underline the point graphically, QPR, by contrast, had the dangerously effective and robust Smith leading the line, whilst we were utterly toothless in attack......no strength to out-muscle defenders and no heading ability, except from set-pieces. We have a bit more pace now but Walker was always forlornly chasing lost causes and got no change out of the QPR backline, who were under no pressure. Madine used to occupy a couple of defenders, leaving space for others (if they ever showed the gumption or energy to get up there). Not pretty but effective, especially when midfield creativity is missing, which it is! Without him, goals will be few and far between, unless we obtain someone with a bit of physical presence. Alnwick was fine and made several very good saves; he is the least of our worries, but the defenders tended to make rash, hurried clearances straight to QPR players. Very disappointed in our full-backs, both defensively and going forward. Henry battled but only in a defensive cause. Vela was anonymous.
QPR were very ordinary but were quicker to the ball, and the man advantage inevitably led to their men being unmarked. Stupid foul by Little.
The Bolton fans were loudly and impressively supportive when we went behind, even though there had been nothing to warm their passion previously. Before the first goal, though, many fans were too preoccupied with being disgracefully abusive.
Altogether, a grim, depressing afternoon!
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