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Post by OohMac on Jan 19, 2018 9:59:49 GMT
If you had to convince an American about the joys of football I think you may struggle to hype up a match between Tractor Boys versus Trotters and that's just name alone. Picking Mick McCarthy vs Phil Parkison would put the nail in the coffin completely.
That's pretty much all I've heard in the build up. You know what you get with Ipswich, they'll be strong, organised, brutish and ready for a slug. This game could be to football what Tofu is to food. Bland.
I would be tempted then, to start with Ameobi, Noone and Charnley(is it?) behind Madine. Making use of the pitch and spreading the play. No doubt they will set up to compete with Madine, one competes one drops off, and sweeps away any trouble. If we didn't launch any balls for the first 25 mins we may catch them flat footed and take a 1 even 2 goal lead. At that stage we can allow them to drop back and revert to type.
Will that work? Not sure. Will we give it a try? Definitely not.
I've said many a time when we've had the 5 at the back and the 3 at the back discussions that I don't see why they aren't interchangeable.
It's a sad state but I don't know if either manager will treat this as a must win game but I think that's exactly what it is. Ipswich are 4 behind playoffs with a host of clubs all going for those spots. You don't win a game and you could get leapfrogged out of the picture and for us there are 3 teams behind us now so there's no need to check the rear mirror. We just need to target those in front. If we could get close to QPR and the rest they will really start to panic. We've played through pressure, we've been down there and we can take it in our stride. Can Jaap Stam honestly say he's equipped for this sort of fight at Reading?
Long way to go for that but 3 points tomorrow certainly starts asking more questions.
It's got draw written all over this. 1-1 though i think it's a game we can win.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 19, 2018 13:55:43 GMT
Quite simply OoM, we won’t be good enough to trouble Ipswich and I can see another 0-4.
With Mr Charisma PP in charge I can’t even be bothered to say I hope I’m wrong!!!
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 19, 2018 13:57:59 GMT
Quite simply OoM, we won’t be good enough to trouble Ipswich and I can see another 0-4. With Mr Charisma PP in charge I can’t even be bothered to say I hope I’m wrong!!! I hope I’m wrong😬😬 |
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Post by OohMac on Jan 19, 2018 15:51:30 GMT
Quite simply OoM, we won’t be good enough to trouble Ipswich and I can see another 0-4. With Mr Charisma PP in charge I can’t even be bothered to say I hope I’m wrong!!! This is where i'm conflicted. I can see the pessimism and its clear that there are large sections now that are just numb with Parkinson. However we have turned the corner from heavy defeats and at home we have been tough to beat and even picking up some unexpected wins. So I don't think it will be 0-4 however in some recent games i'm think we may as well lose 0-4 and at least try and pass the ball, rather than staying tight and clinging on for a 1-0 defeat! I'm not sure who exactly is signing the players but whoever it is needs help. In the interest of fairness I won't say they are all bad but there is a blind spot for impact players. Parkinson signings. Defence. Pro's - Little, Beavers, Robinson, Taylor A, Henry, resigned Wheater. Cons- Darby, Thorpe, resigned Dervite. Neutral - Burke (not seen enough), Karacan - is he defensive? Again, has he been used enough. or rightly? (So pretty good actually. 6/9 but then flip that over to his attack minded signings) Attack Pro's - Ameobi Cons - Taylor C, Henry J, Noone, Armstrong, Buckley, Wilbraham, Keshi Anderson, Proctor. Neutral - Morais & Le Fondre re-signing. You cannot say they have been worth a new contract, not levelling the blame at them either. But you give players contracts and don't play them it has to come down to the manager. Also left Cullen out of the mix because not seen enough of him either. (1/9 good signings in the two years he's been here in attacking areas) You can argue the toss on some players either way. Is Anthony Taylor good enough at this level? Weve not really seen him in a string of games since our form picked up so its hard to judge so benefit of the doubt. And you could say of course Morias and ALF were good signings as they got us promoted but remember that there was no obligation to keep them. So judging them as new signings has that been a good decision. Anyway I used to think a director of football was a nonsense but its obvious to me that we need to A.) cut some wheat from the shaft and reduce this size B.) get in some better players but I wouldn't entrust that job to Mr Parkison, especially if it a striker or another winger(as he's reportedly interested in) he's bringing in. |
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 20, 2018 9:22:41 GMT
Quite simply OoM, we won’t be good enough to trouble Ipswich and I can see another 0-4. With Mr Charisma PP in charge I can’t even be bothered to say I hope I’m wrong!!! This is where i'm conflicted. I can see the pessimism and its clear that there are large sections now that are just numb with Parkinson. However we have turned the corner from heavy defeats and at home we have been tough to beat and even picking up some unexpected wins. So I don't think it will be 0-4 however in some recent games i'm think we may as well lose 0-4 and at least try and pass the ball, rather than staying tight and clinging on for a 1-0 defeat! I'm not sure who exactly is signing the players but whoever it is needs help. In the interest of fairness I won't say they are all bad but there is a blind spot for impact players. Parkinson signings. Defence. Pro's - Little, Beavers, Robinson, Taylor A, Henry, resigned Wheater. Cons- Darby, Thorpe, resigned Dervite. Neutral - Burke (not seen enough), Karacan - is he defensive? Again, has he been used enough. or rightly? (So pretty good actually. 6/9 but then flip that over to his attack minded signings) Attack Pro's - Ameobi Cons - Taylor C, Henry J, Noone, Armstrong, Buckley, Wilbraham, Keshi Anderson, Proctor. Neutral - Morais & Le Fondre re-signing. You cannot say they have been worth a new contract, not levelling the blame at them either. But you give players contracts and don't play them it has to come down to the manager. Also left Cullen out of the mix because not seen enough of him either. (1/9 good signings in the two years he's been here in attacking areas) You can argue the toss on some players either way. Is Anthony Taylor good enough at this level? Weve not really seen him in a string of games since our form picked up so its hard to judge so benefit of the doubt. And you could say of course Morias and ALF were good signings as they got us promoted but remember that there was no obligation to keep them. So judging them as new signings has that been a good decision. Anyway I used to think a director of football was a nonsense but its obvious to me that we need to A.) cut some wheat from the shaft and reduce this size B.) get in some better players but I wouldn't entrust that job to Mr Parkison, especially if it a striker or another winger(as he's reportedly interested in) he's bringing in. I don't disagree with any of that OM, but without any money to spend and consigned to low wages I think Parky has done a passable job, just. That said I also agree that his constant signing of wide players does frustrate when what we all agree we need most is either a good striker or an experienced box to box midfielder. Many off these Parky signings are now surplus to requirements, having hardly played, so we might well have used that money to recruit fewer but better players in the first place. It hasn't been easy for Parky but I don't think he's helped himself by continuing with his one system football instead of adapting to the players he does have. |
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Post by joanna on Jan 20, 2018 10:54:25 GMT
WS63 is right:-unlike solid defenders, good strikers cost big money, and you have to factor in the question of whether proven strikers would actually agree to join us on the salaries we could offer.
Second thought is that Parky IS playing to the one proven strength we have: our recent revival has been on the back of Madine's form, whereas Vela, Morais and Alf, for example, have faded badly compared to last year.
Are some of the players Oom mentions doing enough in training?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 14:39:01 GMT
I have to agree with a lot of what's said about money and football getting out of hand But if we had the money to spend we wouldn't say much about it. On today's game I would like to think we could win this with a lotta lotta luck but!! Who knows COYWM
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 20, 2018 16:55:18 GMT
Wilbraham on for Madine
A blatant admission that PP only has one way to play and with a minute to go we are hanging on for dear life.
No ALF!!!!
2 MASSIVE points thrown away yet again
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 20, 2018 17:06:10 GMT
Couldn't get there today but from Marc Isles BEN reporting it seemed that at last we gave it a go in the second half rather than retreating but weren't good enough to kill the game off as you say rftr. I'm not sure what the Wilbraham substitution was all about either unless he wanted to get a cheer for Madine before he leaves as we have no more matches this month?? Not sure about Beevers being "unwell" either.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 20, 2018 17:43:23 GMT
A 1-1 draw can be interpreted in a few ways but the best interpretation of all is that Ipswich totally controlled the game and hammered us but we equalised in the last minute!! That type of 1-1 gives you a real shot in the arm for the return to work on Monday.
I certainly wouldn’t say we hammered Ipswich today but like you W63, the reports made it look like we had a good go, still, it would be better if we had the majority possession rather than opposing teams, especially at home, but after taking the lead, why then did we not push and push for the second??
Listening to Tower FM and it was punt after punt, Madine after Madine, we could have given the midfirlelders a day off, just play Alnwick and Madine..
Two massive points dropped regardless of the away team being higher up the league. They’ve had 4 points of us this season 😡😡😡
Bristol City next😬😬😬
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Post by thegrud1 on Jan 20, 2018 17:45:41 GMT
Dont know what game Marc Isles was watching...we scored and as usual dropped deeper and deeper and as usual we eventually stopped closing down outside our box,,,which inevitibly gave them time and space to pick a pass,which they did and hey presto,,THEY SCORED...when will Parky learn to try to gt a second goal instead of trying to defend a 1-0
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Post by Alptrotter on Jan 20, 2018 18:02:54 GMT
From what I saw on i-follow, I have to say that, late equaliser or not, Ipswich deserved a point. I agree that we had chances to make it two and kill off the game eg Morais could have done better when he swept it wide, but we‘re still carrying deadwood. Buckley, for me, is poor, Dervite not up to it and Vela still in a trough. Derik also looks uncomfortable. Three points today would have been great, but scarecely justified. We will probably outrun Burton and Brum , the issue is, will we be be the third to go down?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 18:07:06 GMT
There you go that's why we are going to struggle to stay up Wilbur what ever his name is 38 and he gets to come on instead of a young man for fxck sake god help us as PP won't 😡😡
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Post by andyl on Jan 20, 2018 18:15:07 GMT
Another example for me,alas, of how PP's Madine based tactics are slowly and inexorably relegating us and to boot (literally and idiomatically but as yet not metaphorically) emptying the stadium.
We began with our usual quick raid and missed chance and Icannot remember anything else from the half save Madine's Kevin Davies style booking. It was boring and we seem incapable of stringing three passes together nor lifting the tempo. The game meandered to the interval.
Second half was a bit brighter. MM made a half time change which gave Ipswich the initiative. But we came into the game via Robinson and Ameobi. I thought Buckley and Ameobi linked up well today. And inevitably it was a Robinson cross that flicked Vela and found Madine tapping in from a suspiciously offside position- he certainly thought he was but happily the limesman didn't.
The clock ticked towards 60 mins and much as used to happen on boating lakes the sign went up to hook no 11. Buckley who had just dispossessed a trailing forward trotted off to be replaced by Morais who took up his favoured position at left wing back- favoured here is ironic with little aptitudr shown.
That said inside in a much better position for him Morais did steer a shot narrowly wide and a bit later Rivelino Madine brought a good save from a free kick
Alas PP failed to spot Derik floundering and subbed Ameobi instead. MM having bided his time upped the tempo we fell back and after a Henry Derik heading mess they broke away and either Cellini or a defender equalised. They were right on top. More hoifs followed and more Ipswich chances one crashing against a post.
A but of a managerial mismatch really and we were lucky to save a point in the end
Alnwick 5 Little 5 Dervite 6 Wheater6 Robinson 7 Derik 4 Henry 7Ameobi 6 Buckley 6 Vela 6 Madine 6 Morais 5
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Post by bonaparte on Jan 20, 2018 18:24:56 GMT
Fair summary Andy,one trick pony tactics, although Madine had his best game for me. Not surprising as the only tactic is to hoof the ball to him. Thought Vela had a poor game, my only disagreement with your scores, 3 for me.
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