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Oct 28, 2017 20:33:31 GMT
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Post by OohMac on Oct 28, 2017 20:33:31 GMT
I think I said before Sheff Weds that there seemed to be 'first game of the season' feel about the place. Think all out players are selectable now and since then were unbeaten.
We've proven that we are competitive in this league. Or maybe that we just needed a James "Thierry" Henry type player.
In all honesty I think Parkinson is wrong for this job. I think he will take us down and I question whether he and the players have the appetite to bounce back as they did before. I think new blood could get more from this crop. Someone mentioned we've not got the attack. For me we've plenty of attack minded players ALF, Madine, Morais, Ameobi, noone, Buckley, Armstrong, etc. (I don't even count Wilbraham because for me it was a stupid move that I just can't fathom. Ricky Lambert is on the Goals On Sunday couch retired go and bloody make him an offer!)
If Parkinson keeps us up I'll stock the freezer up and eat humble pie for 2018. I just don't see it though.
Ironically I think Simon Grayson would be my next choice. His next game is a must win for him I feel. Against us. He probably wins that's and keeps a job but if he goes before then I'd snap him up.
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Fulham
Oct 28, 2017 20:43:31 GMT
Post by whitesince63 on Oct 28, 2017 20:43:31 GMT
Interesting report Andy and it sounds as though despite being without the ball for much of the time we might have added a second to clinch it. However, that reinforces your other point about us not scoring with Madine and Vela paired up top. How can an experienced manager like PP not see the problem? It surely must be clear by now that Madine is not going to deliver yet Parky seems completely resistant to change. Even if he wanted to keep the same system with a big man up top, why has he not at least tried Wilbraham there instead of GM when he has a far better goalscoring history? He keeps Alf on the bench and Armstrong on the wing when it's a cutting edge we need. Like you I fear it will be the lack of goals that will seal our demise because I don't see Parky trying anything different.
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Fulham
Oct 28, 2017 22:02:35 GMT
Post by greydad on Oct 28, 2017 22:02:35 GMT
I know this is the Bolton-Fulham thread but thought I would post this brief account of my League 1 outing ..as I was in Rotherham today visiting my brother I decided to combine the visit with today's match at the New York Stadium..unfortunately Rotherham's decent unbeaten run was ended by lowly Gillingham, but it was interesting to have seen 3 strikers who were able to take their chances in the box. The Gills Josh Parker scored 2 headers, Tom Eaves (remember him!) bagged a powerful diving header, whilst Rotherham's Ipswich loanee Kieffer Moore scored his 12th goal of the season, a powerful shot following a pacy, bustling run......he looks a decent central striker at this level. It wasn't the home team's day, but when strikers in a struggling team are able to take at least some of the chances that come their way the form book can be rendered meaningless...(Just out of interest, Connor Wilkinson was an unused sub on the Gills bench.) As regards the Wanderers it could end up being a vital away point for the Whites, but how incredibly frustrating to concede so late on, particularly in light of what seemed to have been an effective defensive display for 90 minutes from Andy L's report.
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Oct 28, 2017 22:43:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 22:43:48 GMT
I know football is all about if's & but's, now if we had kept a clean sheet today we could have been two points from Birmingham and three from Reading and what a shot in the arm it would have been for the WHOLE CLUB to be that close to the pack we so desperately need to catch now for the BUT why can't we defend for 94,95,96,97,98 or how ever long a match has to be ?. I have not seen the goals yet but I would like to ask Andy or anybody else who was at the game could we have stopped the header ?. Big question can we stay up with PP in charge as Mr A thinks so.
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Oct 28, 2017 22:51:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 22:51:39 GMT
Sorry I think I have said this before but if we had beaten QPR drew with Sheff Wed and Fulham we would be chuffed to fxck with that but as we only drew with QPR and a late draw against Fulham we are a bit pissed off
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Oct 29, 2017 7:49:05 GMT
Post by whitesince63 on Oct 29, 2017 7:49:05 GMT
But it's not just the results Chip it's the performances. We had little possession yesterday against Fulham and frankly last weeks second half was atrocious when we should have been going for the winner. It's ok having battling performances but I'd expect that anyway. What we need is wins, goals, or at least a performance that attempts to put the opposition under pressure rather than allow them the ball all the time to constantly attack us. I just think Parkinson has invoked a negative and defensive mind set through the whole squad and instead of "pinching" a goal I want us to expect goals. We do have the players to do it but sadly not a manager and coaches who can see that.
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Fulham
Oct 29, 2017 8:42:24 GMT
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Post by OohMac on Oct 29, 2017 8:42:24 GMT
Is it too simplistic too look at it this way.
The only game we've won we scored two goals. We've kept 1 clean sheet all season.
Conclusion. Two goals is the target we must aim for otherwise we will never pick up 3 points? Stop trying to defend a lead Parky because we can't
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Oct 29, 2017 10:23:33 GMT
Post by davidm on Oct 29, 2017 10:23:33 GMT
I am with WS63 on this issue.
There is no way that we are going to get enough points to survive this season with just 25% possession.
We are just hanging on, hoping to grab something and then defend defend defend. The last 2 matches have proved that we just invite the opposition to come at us and eventually (I realise taht yesterday it was 94 minutes) we concede.
I also agree with Andy that we have no goalscorers in our starting line up and this will also get us relegated Our most prolific scorer gets 10 minutes at the end of each match and the other one plays on the left wing. What is this rumour about having to play Armstrong from the start or it costs us about? Does anyone have any idea?
My optimism after Sheffield Wednesday has again been sucked out of me despite not losing. The fact remains that if we draw all our remaining matches, we will be relegated.
It is an attitude of mind and I believe that we approach matches with a “do not concede” attitude and hope to grab something. It is not working and is desperately boring.
As WS63 often says, we must get Madine out of the side, play 2 natural goalscorers and somehow work out how to keep possession in a match.
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Oct 29, 2017 11:52:04 GMT
Post by whitesince63 on Oct 29, 2017 11:52:04 GMT
The problem is also David, that Parky keeps on about how important Madine also is in defence, heading out corners and crosses. Whilst I fully accept this, at the end of the day it's the defenders jobs to do that and Madines to score goals. My view is that if we scored the two or more goals you quite rightly say we need the less need there is for Madine to do the defending. I absolutely agree with you about the state of mind Parky's instilling in the team, which is not to concede but unfortunately that appears to be his only mindset and for that reason I don't see it changing.
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Oct 29, 2017 14:31:58 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 29, 2017 14:31:58 GMT
I can only ‘reservedly’ add to this and state that our ‘point’ V QPR must be viewed with rose tinted specs as they themselves managed to turn over a much fancied, big spending Wolves 2-1 Football can be strange at times, like how on earth we managed to nearly win against Fulham whilst hardly touching the ball?? It keeps being repeated that the Sunderland game is a must win game!!! They’re all ‘must not lose’ games for me as we don’t score very often, so let’s start and finish with the point and see where it gets us..
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Oct 29, 2017 15:21:16 GMT
Post by thegrud1 on Oct 29, 2017 15:21:16 GMT
Simple really...teams that are set up to attack usually win or lose...teams that are set up to defend usually lose. It sets the tone of games and the attitude of the players
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Post by Alptrotter on Oct 29, 2017 18:26:42 GMT
Didn't see the game ysterday, so won't comment directly on it. But I have to disagree with those who argue that teams with a low % possession are more likely not to win. In fact, I'd say that the current trend for tedious passing across and back means that there is little or no correlation between possession and winning.
As regards Wanderers, I feel we are desperately short of a passing, skilful central midfielder who can effectively link the team together back to front. It's not so long ago that many argued we were over blessed in that department, Not so now. I wonder if Vela or Cullen could take this role, with Henry covering the back four and Ameobi and one of Buckley, Noone and Morais wide and two from Madine, ALF, Armstrong and Wilbraham up top.
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Oct 29, 2017 23:10:56 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 29, 2017 23:10:56 GMT
Didn't see the game ysterday, so won't comment directly on it. But I have to disagree with those who argue that teams with a low % possession are more likely not to win. In fact, I'd say that the current trend for tedious passing across and back means that there is little or no correlation between possession and winning. As regards Wanderers, I feel we are desperately short of a passing, skilful central midfielder who can effectively link the team together back to front. It's not so long ago that many argued we were over blessed in that department, Not so now. I wonder if Vela or Cullen could take this role, with Henry covering the back four and Ameobi and one of Buckley, Noone and Morais wide and two from Madine, ALF, Armstrong and Wilbraham up top. Id take Joey Barton for that role Paul, but we all know that won’t happen. We need an aggressor, someone that is not afraid to stick the boot in, can pick out a pass, can motivate a team, can see danger, can drag us over the line. I’d take any sort of combative midfielder regardless of his age.. If we are playing against Notts County next season, I’d want this loser out and swapped with Kev Nolan or even Kev Davies, anyone but PP
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Oct 30, 2017 9:19:25 GMT
Post by Alptrotter on Oct 30, 2017 9:19:25 GMT
Didn't see the game ysterday, so won't comment directly on it. But I have to disagree with those who argue that teams with a low % possession are more likely not to win. In fact, I'd say that the current trend for tedious passing across and back means that there is little or no correlation between possession and winning. As regards Wanderers, I feel we are desperately short of a passing, skilful central midfielder who can effectively link the team together back to front. It's not so long ago that many argued we were over blessed in that department, Not so now. I wonder if Vela or Cullen could take this role, with Henry covering the back four and Ameobi and one of Buckley, Noone and Morais wide and two from Madine, ALF, Armstrong and Wilbraham up top. Id take Joey Barton for that role Paul, but we all know that won’t happen. We need an aggressor, someone that is not afraid to stick the boot in, can pick out a pass, can motivate a team, can see danger, can drag us over the line. I’d take any sort of combative midfielder regardless of his age.. If we are playing against Notts County next season, I’d want this loser out and swapped with Kev Nolan or even Kev Davies, anyone but PP Maybe not a popular suggestion with many, but what about Mark Davies, if fit, on a match by match (low) contract? . He's still without a club isn't he? And I think ALF , Ameobi and Armstrong are crying out for his passing guile. To be honest, Reebok, I think Henry is doing the job you describe and with fewer reds than JB, though Barton is clearly an all round better midfielder.
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Oct 30, 2017 15:23:27 GMT
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Post by OohMac on Oct 30, 2017 15:23:27 GMT
Joey has a lifetime ban effectively so there's no chance of getting him in. Plus I'm enjoying him on TalkSport. Was on top form today. I'd take him as he has course and distance form in this league.
Mark Davies is a myth. An attacking, swashbuckling midfielder, a ball player whose stats for goals and assists can usually be counted on one hand. He failed in this league two years ago and a bad injury later leads me to believe that it wouldn't get any better.
Josh Cullen for Bradford proved he was the pick of the bunch of that league so I'd be happier to see more of him more especially now we have Henry who can do that side and let Josh crack on with playing predominantly in the opponents half.
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