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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 2, 2017 9:54:39 GMT
Well, glad as I am to hear your chest is tip top Joanna I think I'd better concentrate on the footy!! Once again I find myself in agreement with most of your points. Pace is clearly important as is workload. I do think we have pace actually and also youth in the likes of Vela, King, Ameobi and some of our other youngsters as well as Cullen, Burke and Armstrong our loanees, so workrate and endeavour shouldn't be an issue. I also think experience counts as I think we can see from the addition of Henry. He should also be that position in front of the back four we've been missing to stop the opposition running straight at and through Wheats and Beevers.
First though we have to convince Parky to use those attributes by cutting the hoof and playing it on the ground. I watched Wednesday v Leeds yesterday and I have to say Wednesday looked brilliant, passing, moving and closing Leeds down when they did lose the ball and I might say one Mr Bannon, formerly of this parish was excellent, unlike when he was misused here. I just think either KA has to force PP to change and use more youth or if he refuses bring in an alternative because otherwise I only see more embarrassment and gloom.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 2, 2017 22:39:53 GMT
Once KA DOES miraculously find a buyer for a League One club going nowhere other than further down, that’s of course assuming that he is looking for investment or a buyer, he won’t give a 5hit about unwanted records and won’t care a jot which manager is in the chair. This record we’ve just overtaken (longest run without scoring) will just keep rolling on whilst PP is orchestrating ceremonies at the ReeMac and we’ll keep on being defeated as he rotates his hoofball tactic with some other tactic that not even he is sure about🙄. It’s rollox all this “so who do we get, who could do better, who can polish a turd smarter than PP when he’s had his hands tied etc etc” there’s plenty of decent blokes who would relish the opportunity to master a miracle and it will be a miracle to turn this seasons negatives into positives, but there’s still good blokes out there that would love to take on the mantle of this fantastic club.
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Post by OohMac on Oct 3, 2017 12:32:38 GMT
The good thing about Ken is that he's motivated purely by money. At the start of the season our club was worth "x amount" now. The reason Ken was able to get BetFred, Kia on board was due to championship football.
We've never been as investable as May 17 when we secured promotion. With each week his pile is crumbling. He will pull the trigger when it's obvious that his pocket will be hit.
Now I think there are some dark arts in ownership, mike Ashley knows a thing or two, there will be some tactics involved in getting Parky to walk. Bringing in Joe Kinnear to oversee things, Dennis Wise taking training, sale of best players, sacking an important back room staff member. I don't doubt that some of these will be used in the next few weeks. Ultimately Parky can't survive unless he wins 6/10 next games. I can't see that happening so he is doomed. It's whether he does an honourable thing(said he won't) or clings on for a tiresome drama(£££)
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Post by OohMac on Oct 6, 2017 6:55:19 GMT
The two worst words to be heard in a football season, except maybe Mike Riley, must be international break. Although for Bolton fans I'm sure we've learned to be a more patient heading into 13 hours with a goal.
Everything is duller on international break. Headlines from the paper seem to be "(insert name) backs Parky" or "We will turn this round" says out of form player. Talk is cheap and based on very very little.
Never has a qualification to a World Cup been so muted and uninspiring. Fans are completely done with England I think. But I think it makes for a good comparison to discuss our own failure which is management.
People have been keen to say things like Parky can only work with what he has and we've also heard the polishing a turd phrase thrown round plenty. I think you can actually polish a turd, may require a fridge freezer and some polish. Phrase should really be "you shouldn't polish a turd" anyway digressing. International football managers have no transfer windows. They have no loanees coming in. So they have to work with that they've got. Do they then get given a free ride? Does anyone say there's no point getting rid of him who's better? Or even "well we're not at that level". No. Strachan is under constant pressure and this is from a country who last qualified in 98!
England are a team of premiership superstars who are playing like a team of league one players? What does that come down to? In my opinion it's poor management. as said before a grossly under-qualified manager. A record of less than 30% win ratio at club level and now he's the manager of the England team and no surprise that the fans can see what's happening with this team. They are getting more mediocre by the game.
In contract Norn Ireland, a team of made up of premier league unknowns and championship players are doing equally as well as England in the major comps. There's no Gareth Bale there. Just a squad of very average players. Qualifying and taking scalps of some huge teams. It all comes down to playing a system that works and getting the right fit. Yes we will be up against teams like Boro and Derby who've spent £30 million. So what? Northern Ireland will face Germany whose keeper is probably more valuable than the whole 22 man squad. Doesn't mean you can't compete. Might not always get the win. Like last night but showed some fight and still finishing 2nd.
So in truth if you're a bolton fan that thinks Big Sam or Jose would be better than Gareth Southgate then ask why that is? Same players. Same pool to pick from. Then flip that to Parkinson and then ask why you think 'no one else can do any better than Parky!' 'He can only work with that he's got'. I'm sick of hearing it to be honest.
Was hoping he would be gone by now but it will wait till Sunderland I suppose. Loss to Sheff Weds, draw at QPR and defeat at Fulham(dougies graveyard) and a must win at SOL and that will be it for Parky. 15 games. 3 points. Gone.
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 6, 2017 14:47:21 GMT
I agreed with all of that OM until you got to the bit where we get a point against QPR. Frankly I can't see where a point is coming from unless one of those teams has a stinker or we get a lucky pen. Irrespective of my lack of confidence in Parky I'd still like to think, two wins would change everything and restore hope we could escape. Not likely I know but strange things happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 10:02:41 GMT
Well that's it then we just make do with what we have got and hope that the management team and players suddenly start to play like world beaters or it's back to div 1 for us but at least we will have had our season it the sun with the big boys hahahahahahaha .
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Post by OohMac on Oct 13, 2017 12:45:46 GMT
First time in league one was a bit of a novelty. More away fans than home when we travelled and playing at proper stadiums again. There was genuine belief in the players - and we had team spirit.
If we went down again I doubt the fans would "buy into it" in the same respects as we did. The players will ultimately know that they're not good enough for promotion so there may be an exodus. A lot of players are on season long deals with the prospect of another year. I doubt Ken will offer that to them. So I'm worried that relegation for us would leave us weaker than ever before. If we're doomed at Christmas it may be worth doing a head count for who will still be here and playing them.
I think we need to win 2 from 3 games to even think about survival. If we got those 6 points we may go on a run. It just seems a very tough ask.
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Post by thegrud1 on Oct 13, 2017 16:31:57 GMT
Anyone got link of todays marc isles interview with Parky?
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 14, 2017 7:46:29 GMT
Changing manager won't make any difference. How many times do we hear that from our myopic supporters? Well tell that to Birmingham, now with Steve Cotterill and out of the bottom three after last night beating, not just any team, but the leaders Cardiff. For all those still confused, stick with Parkinson and guarantee relegation or change now and at least have some chance of escape.
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Post by OohMac on Oct 15, 2017 13:02:08 GMT
Had a feeling yesterday that even though Parky is under pressure he's only really 3 wins away from changing the perception altogether. He got 1 of those yesterday. Credit to him I thought Weds had too much fire power(although I watched the steel city Derby and they looked more like relegation fodder than promotion hopefuls)
I appreciate the task that Parkinson's taken on. I really do, looking at the Scotland manager odds it's pretty clear that we'd be given the same group of "merry go round" managers desperate for a pay check. Alex McCleish springs to mind.
Seeing that coupled with the win, and improved but ultimately failings at Villa Park and Portman Rd I am a lot more inclined to keep Parky on.
But we all know the good work from yesterday means nothing if we cannot build on it. We need to win 3/5 to go into 2018 with a snowflakes chance.
There was a real sense that the slate was wiped clean after the break and it almost felt like the first game of the season especially with Vela and Ameobi starting.
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 15, 2017 17:06:03 GMT
I agree Chip, as long as the team plays the way it did yesterday and Parky doesn't resort back to humpball again. I would have thought that seeing how well the team fared would encourage him down that road. I do accept Madine played well yesterday but at the end of the day he is there to score goals and once again he's proved he can't. Its alright Parky defending him but the facts are he doesn't score and if we're going to have even a chance of staying up then Parky just has to consider an alternative. I personally have no doubt that given the same opportunities Madine had yesterday, Alf would have put at least a couple away. Still, it's perhaps unfair to criticise after such an improved performance, so a repeat next week against QPR and who knows?
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Post by OohMac on Oct 17, 2017 14:48:26 GMT
Unbelievable quote from Parky. "You look at the league table and it’s not what we want but I think we’re in the best place we possibly could be with all those things considered.”
I don't know where to start with this. There's no way of changing the fact we're bottom and it's been a terrible start but something along the lines of "we will kick on from here, this result will give the lads the belief that they are good enough"
This makes me more convinced that Parky is the simpleton with no ambition. Losing two players for a relatively medium period is no excuse to throw in a white towel and accept those results.
I feel like Megson agitated us through nastiness, he Freedman was arrogance but his comments are stupidity. A lack of ability to process a thought.
Another win for Oldham at the weekend. That 4 from 5 now. Not that changing your manager ever makes a difference.
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Post by joanna on Feb 4, 2018 12:44:34 GMT
I've posted this on the Bristol City thread as well....because it bears repeating!
Time to cease the mealy-mouthed, grudging appreciation and deliberate fault-finding. PP's achievements merit more fulsome acknowledgement and praise.
Appointed when sheer survival was at stake, he's won promotion against the odds with no money to spend on transfers and with a rag-bag of a squad, left by a succession of grim managers and a misguided chairman. He has utilised what he was left with and succeeded without investment, only able to scrape the barrel for loans. He has been forced to sell his best players. The fans may not have liked the style and tactics, but a pragmatic approach was, and still is, vital in order to simply continue to exist. Yesterday's performance, shorn of the club's top-scorer and with little time to practise a new approach, proved that PP can adapt, contrary to the perceived "wisdom" of some fans. He's getting the best out of what he's got and has galvanised team spirit so that the players look committed to him and the cause.
Those calling for his head should beware what you wish for:-who on earth could do better? It's more appropriate to slate managers whose clubs have spent millions and still bore the fans (Man U?), or who have achieved very little in terms of results (Everton?)
Get behind him and the team!
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Post by OohMac on Feb 4, 2018 15:05:34 GMT
Parkinson knows though that with his style, his way of playing he will lose some fans because he's not interested in entertaining. He's there to get points on the board and if that means strangling the life out of a game that's what will happen.
But let's not forget that this tactic was used by Dougie Freedman who got us to the brink of the play offs and still was the most hated figure in the clubs history.
The fact that Phil has had so much to deal with is why the fans have been patient. I mean we went so long without a win. I don't know any other manager that would survive that patch.
Basically I respect the job Phil has done but it's not to my liking. I don't think he will give two hoots what I think but next summer no matter what division were in I wonder how many renewals we get in season tickets? I wonder how many "fancy it on Saturday?" Fans we've lost too.
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Post by OohMac on Apr 21, 2018 20:45:06 GMT
Won't come as a shock when I say I now would give Parkinson a vote of no confidence and look to replace him before Saturday.
Even if he finishes 2nd bottom, which I genuinely think he will do, it will be his finest finish. Given that other clubs get rid before he takes them down.
He's completely out of his depth. Even last season he had spells where we struggled to score, I remember at one stage only a 90th minute own goal saves us from going 6 or 7 without even a goal. Even at the end when it mattered we limped over the line.
I've mentioned before no manager has ever kept his job based purely on financial reasons. Parkinson shouldn't either.
I don't like his style. I don't like that he doesn't know his best XI in April. I said in pre-season fixtures that he was too negative and we were so uncreative that seeped into the start of the season and left us chasing in October. I don't think he is anything but a league one manager with limited styles.
All Parkinson will do next season is play the same dire way but with worst players as 20 will walk away from the club.
I do not have the answer to who would be better. I just want the question to be asked. Look at home goals recently 1-1-0-0-0. This is when we should be fighting for dear life.
7 days please let David Lee have the last two games. Not that I think he will definitely win the games left just that I know that he will try.
Act now Anderson. Please, please gardening leave!
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