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Post by spanishjonny on Feb 25, 2017 22:38:22 GMT
Sheffield were top of the table before this game and have been for a while, they were at home playing with a near full strength team, they would expect to beat us or at worst share the points, for various reasons we were miles away from our strongest team
Our current team and formation is not Parkys first choice, nobody would have started with those players today if we had a choice We have no full backs fit at the moment so three at the back, but our three defenders are not comfortable with this formation, a few weeks ago our back four and goalie were the tightest in the league
Our best and most consistent midfielder Spearing was not available Two of our best attacking players Ameobi and Clough are no longer with us, Vela has been moved from his most effective and most dangerous position to accommodate our only 'true' goalscorer Le Fondre, who so far has failed to score, is it down to fitness or supply?
Long looked dangerous but again is struggling to get fit For those who don't like Madine he was a massive loss today
All these points are 'obvious' yes I know but 'when' not 'if' Parky finds the answer we will be back in the top two, calm down and keep the faith
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Post by andyl on Feb 26, 2017 4:54:11 GMT
That is I think a fair summation, Spanishjonny. It was always going to be a tough game yesterday. They reminded me of Peter Reid's Sunderland, the one driven by Kevin Ball. They were fast, tenacious, fit and intense. We did not match them with our beleaguered team Selections driven by compromise though seldom work. However this could be helpful if PP reacts to some clear issues
1. Alnwick despite blunders at best is superior to Howard. We need him back and on form 2. Our early season strengths especially away were based on solid defending in s back four- Wabara should restore this. But if any part of the three was to accommodate Le Fondre starting especially alongside Madine or yesrerday Wilkinson,forget it! 3. Thorpe is no good in midfield and Derik no good on a flank of defence and worse still at right back. Why not reverse them. I thought Derik in midfield improved our possession a lot 4. Vela is a good player and the only one capable of competing in that intensity of midfield other than Spearing . But he was at his best hounding defenders and following up Madine's take downs. 5. We do not only lose when Trotter plays. Yesterday would have been too physical and quick for him but despite appearances he is miles better than Henry in midfield. He was atrocious at times yesterday and our midfield gaped ooen 6. Beevers is a blocker and game reader and very good at it but set him up in a three where he has to cover full back and /or forwards can run at him or away from him and he struggles. Sharp was too good for him yesterday 7. Wilkinson is very far short of match fitness and strength and won't I think make it. That said he can head, time jumps, pass, tackle back and hold up play. In yesterday's cauldron he was not the worst on view- if only he could toughen up 8. Moxey is awful defensively, impetuous and position ally weak. He lacks the fitness to cope in midfield. Yesterday he was gasping for breath and struggling 9 Morais is pretty good and battles. Henry appears good but misses all the big moments. We missed Clough on our set pieces today
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 9:24:00 GMT
I have read all comments and it sounds like I made a great decision in taking my granddaughter to Southport for the day. Well it looks like a fight for second place between us and the rest I only hope that they play as bad as we are from time to time to give us a chance. We need to win our next two home games or we can forget promotion. š¢š¢
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Post by davidm on Feb 26, 2017 9:48:21 GMT
Sheffield were top of the table before this game and have been for a while, they were at home playing with a near full strength team, they would expect to beat us or at worst share the points, for various reasons we were miles away from our strongest team Our current team and formation is not Parkys first choice, nobody would have started with those players today if we had a choice We have no full backs fit at the moment so three at the back, but our three defenders are not comfortable with this formation, a few weeks ago our back four and goalie were the tightest in the league Our best and most consistent midfielder Spearing was not available Two of our best attacking players Ameobi and Clough are no longer with us, Vela has been moved from his most effective and most dangerous position to accommodate our only 'true' goalscorer Le Fondre, who so far has failed to score, is it down to fitness or supply? Long looked dangerous but again is struggling to get fit For those who don't like Madine he was a massive loss today All these points are 'obvious' yes I know but 'when' not 'if' Parky finds the answer we will be back in the top two, calm down and keep the faith There is a lot of āifsā there.
A few comments:-
- Sheffield Utd were not that good but beat us easily. They played nothing like as well as Bradford played against us.
- Parky does have a choice.
- He chose to play 3-5-2 after the chasing we got from Bradford. Beevers is desperately isolated in this formation and we are conceding regularly. He chose to play Moxey as a wing back when he was abysmal at Bradford and couldnāt last the game yesterday.
- He chose to play Wilkinson upfront rather than play a formation to suit our available strikers ā Le Fondre, Long, Clayton are all better than Wilkinson but that would have meant abandoning the hoofball tactics he plays week in week out.
- He chose to move Vela out of his best position where he has scared opposing teams. He has lost all his effectiveness in his current role.
- He chose to play Thorpe in a role that he is incapable of playing.
I accept that injuries and suspensions have hit us but our manager does not appear to have the ability to react. He continues with the dreadful big boot football when we donāt have the players to play it. I accept that he reacted to Wilsonās injury and went to a back 3 but that system failed badly against Rochdale and Bradford but he persevered yesterday.
Yesterday was an awful performance which the manager contributed to vastly.
I accept that the most important issue is to get points but ENTERTAINMENT must come into it somewhere. How many matches have you truly enjoyed this season?
We now have 2 home games which we must win because after next Saturday, we have 4 home games and 8 away games left. How confident are you of any away success?
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Post by OohMac on Feb 26, 2017 10:20:24 GMT
Agree with all that DavidM. It's Nearly March and PP and the players still playing like they don't know their best positions and strenths.
As SpanishJohnny has said take the context away from the game and you can shrug it off top of the league, penalty, injuries, suspensions, etc. But keep playing this way and there won't be 2k tickets sold and more demanded next season and next season KA won't back him to bring in 10 new faces. It will be work with what you have and that's when man management will come into it.
Talk about full backs. Allardyce took the most timid striker we had in Henrixk Pederson and made him a passable left back. He did the same with Gardner who looked the least defensive minded player we had at that time. I know in the past I've argued against square pegs, round holes but until Taylor and Wilson get back someone needs to do the job because the 5-3-2 does not work for us. Exposes us defensively and kills the flow of our game. What little flow we have.
Moxey can't be that bad can he? If he is he can't be in this squad anymore. Time a young one to step up like Holding was forced to do
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Post by andyl on Feb 26, 2017 10:42:02 GMT
We were doing OK at this point!. I have to say that it's a really good ground. The tiering of seats meant that for 75% of the game I could sit down and in the second half most of the time because the only part obscured was their goal and nothing happened there. I think they had a goalkeeper playing but hew asn't really needed. The picture looks like a 3D partitioned slide for some reason but clicked it opens
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Post by Pedro on Feb 26, 2017 20:50:33 GMT
Agree about the ground. But have to score the loutish yoof supporters around my original seat a score of minus 10.
Screaming vitriol at the top of their voices at our players almost from minute one I cannot recall one of them with a positive scream of encouragement.
Why do they bother to come all that way to be so angry and be so full of hate? Presumably fuelled with Dutch courage from the alcohol they so obviously had not aquired the maturity to handle.
I must have been very lucky so far not to have been near this baying mob.
How different from the banter and VERY funny remarks made on the terraces at Burnden Park. Those supporters knew the meaning of the word support - I know they used to criticise when it was due but not with the hatred and vitriol I heard from very close up on Saturday.
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