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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 13:57:20 GMT
Own goal. Said 1-1 and a scramble goal for us. Don't matter OG or what it still counts as three points .
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 8, 2016 14:45:21 GMT
Own goal. Said 1-1 and a scramble goal for us. Well I got my score prediction wrong but I did say we can't score and I was right. Maybe PP should sign the chap that scored today, he's nearly scored as many BWFC goals as Madine and Clough together... Still as owdon says, it's 3 points and some would argue that it doesn't matter how you get them, I just hope we don't bore away to a victory
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Post by OohMac on Oct 8, 2016 19:59:43 GMT
I hate to disagree but I can't go along with this "its 3 points and that's all that matters" stuff. Its over 500 minutes without us scoring a goal of our own. That's papering through the cracks again and that will get us nowhere in the long run.
Think its fairly shortsightedness, of course a win is better than a kick in the groin but as far as the rest of the season shows it was another lame outing. We won't win many games without scoring goals and its a real concern at the moment. What's worrying is that Samizadeh is still getting overlooked even for 10 minute spells behind Proctor. I won't always judge a striker on goals and I don't question his ethic but is he really better than Eaves or one of them cardboard cut outs you get in poundshops? We could play with a traffic cone up front with the same effect. It might ricochet off into someones path.
That's loosened the noose around PP' neck but i'm hoping he comes out and say its a win, but its still not working and there's still too many people not performing and they all see to be the attack minded players at the moment. Henry and Chris Taylor? Are these really better than our own young players?
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Post by greydad on Oct 8, 2016 20:06:41 GMT
Very pleasant coach journey, an improved performance, 3 pts..had the one-on-ones been converted it would have been a perfect away day, but I for one am pleased to have seen our usual defensive stability, a much better midfield performance, aided by Thorpe's steadying influence in the holding role, and signs of things knitting together up front..with more game time for Madine and Clough, and a continued improvement from the bench as shown today by Ameobi, Procter and Anderson, things might be looking up for the Wanderers. I thought the team gelled much more as a whole, and the longer the game went on the more the Whites dominated. Whereas last weeks 'mass' substitution saw a complete lack of impact from each player involved, the incremental use of the same subs to replace the same players as against Oxford was far more effective...Ameobi was far less wasteful, and much more creative on the ball, even tackling back when required. Procter and Anderson also did well, and were able to contribute positively to the continuing second half dominance enjoyed by the Whites. No-one should get carried away by a narrow win over a struggling side, but the abject sterility of the past few games was addressed with some success by the team selection and tactics today...hoofball was not plan A,B and C, the ball wasn't passed sideways or backwards ad infinitum, and missed chances notwithstanding it was a much improved team performance. I don't do individual ratings, but I thought the team were worth 7/10 overall, and 8/10 for parts of the second half. As regards Henry, whilst he continues to fail in front of goal he had a good game otherwise today, and I think he has something to offer the team as a wide midfielder who will eventually contribute a few goals...can't argue about the lack of goals, but I wouldn't describe it as a lame performance today, particularly in the context of the Rochdale and Oxford displays.
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Post by Phil from Smithills on Oct 8, 2016 21:12:01 GMT
I watched the match via a satellite TV channel, we were lacking in vision and on the back foot, we hoofed the ball up front to often to no avail, some very poor passing with Spearing the main culprit. I was that frustrated with the performance, I switched off with twenty minutes to go, and went for a walk onto Winter Hill
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Post by greydad on Oct 8, 2016 21:56:22 GMT
Well, I suppose we see things differently, I can only reiterate that for me, particularly in the context of previous matches where the team failed to create any forward momentum, let alone shots on goal, there was an improvement today, and the 'hoofing' was less evident over the 90 minutes...Spearing did misdirect some passes, but improved as the second half progressed. There was no booing of negative tactics today, and whilst there is a lot of hard work to do in order to build on the result and performance, and to rectify the mis-firing upfront, it was nowhere near as frustrating being at the game today as it was at the Walsall, Bradford, Rochdale or Oxford games, and not simply because of the result.
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 9, 2016 7:07:11 GMT
Well done for going down there gd, given our recent showings. I only saw the brief highlights but as you say, they did look like they at least tried to play some football and created a number of good chances which had they been taken would I'm sure have improved confidence throughout the team. My only problem with that is, if we had scored earlier would Parky have defended it rather than gone for more goals? Who knows, but it would be nice to be in the position to find out if we ever actually do score again. I'm still unconvinced with Parkinson but at least we have 3 more points than we did beforehand.
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Post by greydad on Oct 9, 2016 8:02:34 GMT
In fairness to Phil from Smithills as a live T.V. experience the match might well have been uninspired, perhaps lame viewing, but at least there were genuine highlights to show! Procter, Clough twice, Henry, Anderson all tested their keeper, Thorpe shot just over, and Henry dragged a shot wide, as well as having a header where he just couldn't get the spring needed to keep the ball down. The own goal followed Anderson's fierce shot, it was an awful attempt to clear the ball, but it was due to Bolton's pressure in the opposition penalty area. I thought the subs used, all attacking options, validated the manager's decisions, and he included young midfielder Alex Perry on the bench, along with Trotter and Derik. It may well be that the manager might have utilised his subs differently had we scored earlier, but if the win had been achieved through a more defensive strategy then that too would have constituted some form of progression from the last 5 games. The manager has seen the team achieve the desired result from an improved (by no means a complete) performance, that contained a number of very good passing moves and created far more (yes,spurned) chances and of course the inclusion of a target man will always encourage long ball tactics, but those tactics were not as dispiriting and sterile as in previous games. The test for the manager will indeed come in the next few games, which must also show some progression and improvement, particularly as regards scoring goals.
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Post by Phil from Smithills on Oct 9, 2016 12:16:10 GMT
I am probably asking for to much perfection from the team, the highlights did show us in a good light, but I can assure you that there were many poor defensive clearances straight to an opponent, little movement with not many flowing passes, it seemed to me it was, kick the ball forward and see what happens.
Yes there was plenty of commitment by most of the players, that's was a plus, hopefully our results start to improve with this win and the football starts to get more flowing and start shooting at goal more.
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Post by Pedro on Oct 10, 2016 10:54:09 GMT
I listened to the first half, watched the second half commentated in Arabic! and have just now watched the 11 minute highlights and feel slightly more optimistic after the feeling I last had leaving the ReeMac the Saturday before.
I would love to find out how much one on one practice they do with our keepers. This was a huge failing last season too. I know it is difficult but to kick it straight at the keeper 4 times in one game with three different players shows a real failing.
Glad to see Howard "catch" a few well hit balls which shows that it is possible rather than punching out to an opposing player to have another chance which drives me mad!
The effort is definitely being put in but can this group of players improve their extremely poor skills?
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Post by joanna on Oct 10, 2016 16:10:15 GMT
Noticeable how much more incisive our midfield play was without Trotter. Several excellent chances created through good football. Promising! Now let's keep it up and actually put away some of the chances.
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Post by greydad on Oct 10, 2016 22:11:02 GMT
Despite my being something of an advocate of Trotter, and despite his frustrating style of play, I can't argue with your point Joanna...Thorpe carried out his duties in front of the defence very capably, which gave Spearing and Vela license to play more positive roles and spend less time chasing their tails . Vela played a more central role and looked to be more like the player we have often been told he can be.... the whole team had a balance sadly lacking for too long, and whilst shortcomings remained evident on Saturday I don't think anyone could argue that the win was not well deserved.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 10, 2016 23:15:40 GMT
2 games played minus Trotter, 2 games won
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