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Post by davidm on Sept 24, 2016 9:56:50 GMT
Bit of a crunch match today.
Win and we sit well in the top two of the table; lose and we are looking up behind the leaders.
We somehow need to find goals - hopefully Clough will start.
I always think that we will win so 2-1.
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Post by greydad on Sept 24, 2016 10:13:26 GMT
I hope that the good away following , and hopefully decent home support, will create an atmosphere that will have a positive effect on the team...we need a fit Clough on the field, at Walsall last week he made a least 2 incisive runs into the box which led to half-chances, a bit more match sharpness and these might be translated into goals... he did look ok as regards fitness. As to whether or not he will start I'm not sure.I would imagine that the manager will go for as physical a set-up as possible in anticipation of a tough, almost derby-style occasion, so we might be in for a Sheffield Utd type of performance...if the result is the same that will be fine with me, a return to winning ways is the imperative.
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Post by andyl on Sept 24, 2016 10:50:18 GMT
He must be considering Alnwick after last week and maybe Wilson ahead of Buxton. Is Madine fit. If so he should start .
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Post by OohMac on Sept 24, 2016 13:16:56 GMT
Wrote a long detailed view on this the other day then pressed a button and Kablam, gone.
Don't have the heart to write it again word for word but it was basically. super Kev should be brought in to work with Proctor one on one. The following players need a performance out of: Buxton, Moxey, Taylor A, Taylor C, Henry, Trotter, Proctor. We're doing remarkaby well sitting in 2nd with so many under performing players.
Also if we get Madine back he and Proctor need quality balls in quickly. Best crossers are Wilson and Moxey so need to get them up. 5-3-2 needs to be given ago with Derick there to turn defence into attack with long direct and accurate passing.
As for today. 4k fans will spur them on and we will get successive defeats 1-3
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 24, 2016 14:39:01 GMT
35 mins gone and it looks like we could play for an hour and 35 and still not score
That call for Super Kev is not a bad shout at all Oom
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Post by davidm on Sept 24, 2016 17:45:00 GMT
What a horrible game of football.
Two sides obsessed with not conceding and hardly a shot on target throughout.
This negative approach comes off occasionally when we grab a goal like against Sheff Utd but, with our poor attack, that will be a rare occurrence. This sort of attitude towards football will drive the fans away.
I think that we started with a 4-5-1 formation but it may have been a 4-3-3. Whichever it was, it created little apart from the first 2 minutes. Spearing found space and brought a save from the goalie. We got a corner and Proctor headed over. We could all have gone home then because I can’t remember a proper attempt on goal, by either side, after that.
As is now usual at home, the opposition had more of the ball but it was all in midfield. Our midfield was terrible today – they just stood off and let Bradford have the ball.
There is nothing much to say about the rest of the game. Clough livened us up in the second half. The ref was as daft as usual. Bradford players threw themselves to the ground after every tackles. In the 92nd minutes, a Bradford player managed to head wide from 10 yards when he probably should have scored.
Just an awful display. 6 games without a win. Only 3 goals in those 6 games. It was dire.
Howard - 6 Nothing to do apart from some really weak shots/headers which dribbled through to him. Kicking still awful.
Buxton - 6 Defensively OK with a few poor passes but little help attack-wise.
Beevers - 6 Not too troubled but his big hoofs out of defence got us nowhere.
Wheater - 6 Steady. Not much to trouble him. A couple of good tackles.
Moxey - 6 The usual couple of lunatic mistakes which we escaped with. His attacking contribution was reasonable.
Trotter - 4 I don’t know what he did today. One or two decent tackles, a few attempts to get the attack going but it was really poor.
Spearing - 6 Our only proper shot on target after 30 seconds. Booked again but OK.
Henry - 5 He just hasn’t achieved anything since he arrived apart from the ability to take corners.
Vela - 5 What a poor game Vela had. He was a stride behind all game.
Ameobi - 4 Another who I don’t know what he does. A few fancy dribbles but not near enough to the goal to be dangerous. Had one chance in second half but chose to get it onto his left foot instead of shooting with his right and the chance was gone.
Proctor - 6 Worked very hard but not much success. Poor ball retention in the first half but improved in the second.
Clough - 7 I wish he was fit enough to start a game as it is only when he comes on that the side picks up. Unlucky with good shot in second half.
Taylor C - 5
Thorpe - 5
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Post by greydad on Sept 24, 2016 19:33:02 GMT
Other than the gaining of a point there is little to be said about today's game...it was frustrating, lacking in creativity or any sort of cutting edge. Clough added some sense of purpose but Taylor's and Thorpe's introductions proved ineffective and perhaps highlighted the club's lack of attacking options...at 0-0 our first sub was a defensive player! Given the continued absence of Madine and Clayton, and Anderson's suspension, surely Samidazeh ought to have been considered for the bench. The low point for me was in added on time, when Howard collected the ball and virtually the whole team was walking towards the halfway line..3 minutes to go and no desire to get forward, were the team that pleased with the draw and clean sheet? Parkinson is reported at being angry with Bradford's theatrics, and rightly so, the ref was certainly conned a few times, but his anger ought to be directed at his team's overall performance. I can't agree with the B.N's analysis that the team was well organised today, there were far too many passes misplaced or lacking any attacking intent...yes, the team did indeed hold it's shape but it was one which might be deployed away from home against quality opposition, not for a home match against today's opponents...there was little, if anything on offer today to entice people to part with hard-earned cash to come to the Macron. I hope Tuesday sees a more encouraging display, and if Derik is fit give him a chance, he can pass a ball at least!
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 24, 2016 21:21:40 GMT
What is up with this league??
No team wants to win it, or just simply doesn't have what it takes to romp it. Whoever wins will have ebbed and flowed and stumbled across the line, it really is a poor league and we are clearly starting to bore the fans away with our lack of quality and firepower.
Even if we went down 3-2 every game, whilst it wouldn't be fun seeing us drop down the league, it would at least be exciting watching the net bulge.
PP and his team are boring the living daylights out of me and I didn't see it coming after our steady start
Hope it improves!!
Urgently...
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 24, 2016 21:48:51 GMT
Utterly pathetic, soul destroying rubbish today, no wonder there were few Wanderer's supporters there, they were the wise ones. Five hour round trips to see that garbage is asking too much now. My initial enthusiasm for Parky is quickly disappearing I'm afraid. There's either a chronic lack of confidence or desire in the players at the moment or maybe both but there's just no cohesion or invention in their play. I attended the game today with little confidence of a performance but they still managed to underperform even on that. I know people will say it's still early days and we should give him time but I'm sorry, I've had just enough of Parkinson's negativity and hoof ball. Bradford were poor but at least they tried to play football. We were abysmal, the substitutions pointless. We needed a goal so he takes off a striker in Ameobi. Why not leave him on and have three up front when Zach came on. Zach could have replaced Vela for all the use he was. Similarly Thorpe and Taylor added nothing when coming on. One positive for me was Moxey who I've slated regularly. Today, apart from one heart stopping headed mistake he was our best player. Unfortunately that's not saying much, the rest were terrible. Parky can keep on putting a brave face on it but surely even he must see if he keeps this formation up he'll be playing to empty houses. I was fuming today driving home and wondering why I bother. Can't think of a reason I should frankly so that's me out for now until either Parky changes his ways or Management changes it for him.
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Post by andyl on Sept 25, 2016 7:51:08 GMT
I agree with all the above posts with minor variances re player marks.
We are quite good defensively. Moxey was a suckered a time or two, Buxton was too easily passed at times but otherwise we were untroubled.
Upfront whilst I applaud Proctor's energy and effort I will leave others to credit that. But I think he had a truly terrible game on the ball. He controlled nothing apart from one late in the first half and a touch for Clough's shot. His heading to colleagues or at goal was dreadful and he just would not keep the ball twice passing back to start attacks for them.His only possibility of scoring is a tap in. So given that Howard's endless kicks towards him and defensive hoofs generally brought zilch. I think that it was one of the worst forward performances seen in a long time.
The substitutions had little impact. Taylor C is not a man to dirty his shirt, is he?
I thought Vela was the pick of our defensive midfielders early on pressing strongly but Bookings for both him and Spearing neutered them.
The ref was irritating for sure and there was no flow but we committed stupid fouls continuously and that returns me to Proctor who fouled all the time.
It was boring.!
Howard 5 Buxton 5 Beevers 8 Wheater 7 Moxey 5 ( his throw ins vital at the moment And Henry 6 ( surely should play wider-some good crosses) Spearing 5 Vela 5 (too slow) Trotter 4 Ameobi 5 (a few flashes of skill but out of position) Proctor 2 ( both marks for effort)
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 25, 2016 8:16:00 GMT
Couldn't agree more with all that Andy although I think you're a little hard on Moxey who I thought had a generally good game, perhaps his best and definitely an advantage with his long throws. I also think a 2 for Proctor was harsh. I agree about his skill level and passing but at least he showed heart and effort which few others did. Where I absolutely agree is with Ameobi out of position. He should be in the centre of attack to use the skill and pace he has running at defenders, hopefully alongside Zach or Clayton when he's fit and Anderson when he's not banned. Unfortunately that would take a complete change of mindset by Parkinson to one of playing football not hoof ball. We have talented midfielders who could deliver the through balls needed, especially Henry, Derik and even may I say Trotter who is clearly useless in this set up. Bradford were poor really, creating little but did at least pass and move and tried to play football. Sadly, unless there's a fundamental change, which is highly unlikely, we'll be served up the same dross week in week out which i don't personally want to watch. I've seldom been so angry or dissatisfied as I was leaving the stadium for the long drive home yesterday and decided I won't be doing it again until I see some positive change. Since BSA left it's been a successive decline in standards everywhere and I'm not sure Parkinson's appointment isn't just another step along that road.
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Post by spanishjonny on Sept 25, 2016 8:19:13 GMT
I put my thoughts down last night in a post but then deleted it because I couldn't be bothered, apathy could be setting in!
This game was promoted as a crunch clash, Parky's previous club was as boring as his present, fans will stop coming
Yes the defence has improved but only 3/5th's of it, Wilson must be better than Buxton and Moxey is an accident waiting to happen
Vela was too slow from start to finish, he got away with the first few late tackles till he got booked and then was ineffective totally
Trotter is not a footballer
Proctor is not a centre forward
Ameobi tried to wriggle through but is very left footed and was on the wrong side by the time he got near the goal, play him on the right then he comes in on his left foot?
Clough was streets ahead of any one else on the pitch but didn't get enough of the ball, and never will in this formation
Derik deserves a go somewhere in the team
The problems are all down to Parky
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Post by bonaparte on Sept 25, 2016 9:00:13 GMT
I agree with much that has been said above.
I do wonder at the long ball, and why Trotter plays every week. I think that is the key, Trotter adds nothing going forward, but as we saw Thorpe was little better. With a lack of attacking midfielders Parky is stymied. Play Trotter, play long ball.
I still think this is very much a work in progress and I could see some attempts to get behind the defense, but a lack of understanding between the players.
So defense is pretty settled, Spearing the holding player in front of the back four, Davies may never play again, never thought I would hope for Pratley to return, but...............
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 25, 2016 9:35:55 GMT
Pratley like Madine will make no difference at all just different personnel in a continuation of the up and under garbage Parkinson seems to favour. When people labelled BSA as that we all knew it was only another tactic to use against the top teams but we had the JJ's, Djorkaev's and Stellios's to entertain us at other times. We have nothing today but kick and rush, no football, no excitement just utter rubbish. In all my many years watching our club I don't think I've ever felt less satisfied with what I'm seeing. I genuinely feel we have more than enough talent in the squad to walk this very poor league but it won't happen with what's being delivered right now. I don't see Parky changing his beliefs so if you want to watch such boring unenterprising rubbish good luck to you but for me I'm afraid I'm voting with my feet. I'm out.
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Post by spanishjonny on Sept 25, 2016 9:53:27 GMT
Can't believe I'm saying this but Madine is a far better center forward than Proctor!
Proctor is big and strong but jumps into the defender instead of using his strength to shield the ball and lay the ball off to some one else
With our limited squad I would play Howard, Wilson at r/b Beevers and Wheater, Moxey, in midfield Spearing and Derik should be able to protect the defence
Going forward a fit Madine, deffo Clough, Henry and I'll give Vela another chance to be more positive
The team must be more attack minded, especially at home, but it all comes down to Parky
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