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Post by Phil from Smithills on Sept 3, 2016 18:34:01 GMT
Can't agree with your scoring Andy, in my opinion Trotter had a few, a very few good touches, but was not involved enough to warrant 7, more like a 5. Spearing bossed the game and deserved an 8. Agree with your summary, ah well 2 points gone abegging. I have to agree about Trotter, at best he was pedestrian only contributed on about 4 occasions. The players seem to know it, and avoided passing to him. |
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Post by spanishjonny on Sept 3, 2016 20:10:08 GMT
Agree, two points dropped, but still top and undefeated
We still don't have a goalscorer, yet, but Anderson could be that man, he looked a cut above any of our other forwards, quick, skilfull and always looking to be played in, we didn't have anybody with the vision to put him through
Henry was better than Mavies for me and when he settles in he will improve midfield a lot, as would replacing Trotter with someone capable of rising above a 6,
Buxton and Vela are poor as a combination, we would be better with Vela at r/b and someone in front of him who can beat a man and cross accurately, Vela wasted some crosses late on in the game,
It's early days but the team needs to learn what each other are capable off or not and play accordingly
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 3, 2016 22:46:48 GMT
It was quite an open, attacking game and one we tried hard both to win and lose.! We had the worst possible start with poor positioning by Moxey who was attracted to one man and left another followed by even worse marking from Buxton and an unopposed tap in. We battled away in the first half. Madine did some good work if missing two good heading opportunities , a ball was somehow cleared after a scramble and the referee rejected what from afar looked a good penalty shout. In the second half we began aggressively and were gifted an equaliser when their keeper dropped a ball on Anderson and for once the bounce took it in Then we had a very sloppy period where we kept giving the ball away. And a misfit back pass all but finished us. Howard's distribution was poor throughout and Buxton too was patchy. Trotter did some good things but was not dominant enough. We ended strongly with a delightful Ameobi cameo contains some lovely touches . Madine was injured. Proctor lacked composure and we fizzled out. We could well have won this but in my opinion didn't show enough. With more time our acquisitions will adapt to the team play more. Here we were a bit disjointed never more so than when a Beevers back header ran tamely across goal unthreatened. Phil Brown was sent off to much amusement but overall we did not do enough? Howard 5 Buxton 5 Beevers 7 Wheater 6 Moxey 5 Spearing 7 Vela 6 Trotter 7 Anderson 6 Madine 7 Henry 6 Proctor 4 Taylor 5 plus Ameobi 10/10 for ten minutes Sorry Andy but I don't know how you can possibly give Madine a 7 and Proctor only a 4 since we only started playing when Madine went off. He has absolutely no impact on the game at all apart from falling over and moaning to the referee. Once our two new boys settle in and Zach and Clayton are back there will hopefully be no place at all for him, including the bench. Without doubt one of the biggest time wasters ever to wear our white shirt. Taxi for Madine and I don't care where to. |
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 3, 2016 22:58:46 GMT
Agree, two points dropped, but still top and undefeated We still don't have a goalscorer, yet, but Anderson could be that man, he looked a cut above any of our other forwards, quick, skilfull and always looking to be played in, we didn't have anybody with the vision to put him through Henry was better than Mavies for me and when he settles in he will improve midfield a lot, as would replacing Trotter with someone capable of rising above a 6, Buxton and Vela are poor as a combination, we would be better with Vela at r/b and someone in front of him who can beat a man and cross accurately, Vela wasted some crosses late on in the game, It's early days but the team needs to learn what each other are capable off or not and play accordingly The two full backs are undoubtedly our weak link SJ but I wouldn't want to move Vela back there again. I think he's developing nicely in his midfield role and we need to keep him there. I was impressed with Henry and I think along with Spearing they will form a strong midfield combo. Hopefully Thorpe may be the answer for Buxton but we do desperately need a replacement for Moxey who yet again was dire today. Up front, Anderson and Ameobi finally looks like we may have some penetration with pace, skill and aggression who along with Proctors strength can open up defences in this division. Early days but the signs are promising. |
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Post by thegrud1 on Sept 4, 2016 10:01:34 GMT
It really pains me to say it but I,d give MOM to Madine...dont like the man personally but he won 90 % of the headers,held the ball up and put himsself about...he should have had at least Pen given to him and was knocked about by both centre backs...Anderson was a breath of fresh air,just hope he,s not a Silva and fades away.
For all the short comings of Moxey(not a fan) his energy and willingness to put a shift in probly saves him...leave Vela where he is ,keep messing him about and we will stop his developement...I thought 2nd have was probly the best we played for 12 mth!
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Post by andyl on Sept 4, 2016 10:22:18 GMT
Strange how we all see things! I thought Madine did well yesterday. It was unfortunate that after one of several dashes to close down defenders he strained groin or thigh. I do think he missed a couple of good headers as did Proctor and could imagine John McGinlay. Rising to head home three or four of those and Madine is way too slow shooting.. If he were a gunman in that Sharon Stone film (?) he would have perished in round one. But for all that he did screen the ball well at times and played some crisp passes. Anderson and Ameobi and Clough are much quicker footed and that's a reason for optimism.
Trotter is a player.I mark up and down. He is our best passer in terms of weight and accuracy of pass and he can be a good tackler. On one occasion yesterday he did really well to catch and outmuscle a quicker opponent breaking away after lost possession upfield. Fans even applauded him. But he was put out left in the Pratley slot and I don't think he stayed put or helped Moxey much. And he needs to move forward more but if Mark Davies is a yardstick against which to measure Henry then for me even if our possession was less ?was it?) Trotter by and large offered more.
Spearing was not my man of the match but he was involved in everything and a real leader. He had a daft booking , only hit a few good deadball kicks and some of his passing was dreadful so for me he had a mixed day. But that said overall he was very important.
We will have to see how Ameobi, Anderson and Henry contribute overall. Henry might be better wider? But on one sight they especially Ameobi looked very promising. More worrying were Moxey and Buxton. Moxey at least did good work going forward but he is costing or risking us games and I was pleased when he was withdrawn. Maybe he could offer more in midfield but Derik and Thorpe will be ahead of him?
One point not mentioned much above is that conditions were atrocious. Their keeper made a couple of telling fumbles but anyone would have and in those conditions I thought we were served some pretty entertaing fare.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 4, 2016 11:18:21 GMT
I enjoyed the game yesterday if somewhat frustrated at our inability to score the second goal that would have sealed Southend's fate and could have led to more. I was very disappointed with Southend's tactics, much of which consisted of pulling and holding our players ad infinitum with no sanctions applied by the referee. They wasted time all through the game, again no sanctions until the referee booked their goalie and a defender when already in to time added and it made no difference. If either of these offences had been stamped on earlier it could have made a big difference.
I agree with AndyL (nice to see you again at the match) re: Madine, I thought he had a much better game, was one of the most transgressed against (holding, pushing etc) and was hardly given a free kick, more than once he was pole axed from behind.
I can't agree about Trotter, in fact the tracking back and dispossession of the Southend player, was one of the few good things I noticed him do and I think the applause was more like that you give a referee when he finally gives you a free kick, rather then congratulatory.
I am glad Spearing has the captain's arm band he is much more a leader than Pratley ever was, but he did put in some awful free kicks and corners.
Apart from Moxey's awful defending that led to the first goal and whoever was at fault for leaving their goal scorer unmarked, I thought it was a good team performance, with everybody seeming to know what they are supposed to be doing and sticking with it. I was impressed with all the new signings who made an appearance.
Shame we dropped 2 points as I don't feel Southend deserved anything from the game and Phil Brown should be ashamed of the tactics he employed and for bemoaning the fact that he thought the referee allowed our goal to stand because PP had had a word with the ref at half time, no doubt complaining about the lack of protection he was giving our players.
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 4, 2016 11:48:55 GMT
I enjoyed the game yesterday if somewhat frustrated at our inability to score the second goal that would have sealed Southend's fate and could have led to more. I was very disappointed with Southend's tactics, much of which consisted of pulling and holding our players ad infinitum with no sanctions applied by the referee. They wasted time all through the game, again no sanctions until the referee booked their goalie and a defender when already in to time added and it made no difference. If either of these offences had been stamped on earlier it could have made a big difference. I agree with AndyL (nice to see you again at the match) re: Madine, I thought he had a much better game, was one of the most transgressed against (holding, pushing etc) and was hardly given a free kick, more than once he was pole axed from behind. I can't agree about Trotter, in fact the tracking back and dispossession of the Southend player, was one of the few good things I noticed him do and I think the applause was more like that you give a referee when he finally gives you a free kick, rather then congratulatory. I am glad Spearing has the captain's arm band he is much more a leader than Pratley ever was, but he did put in some awful free kicks and corners. Apart from Moxey's awful defending that led to the first goal and whoever was at fault for leaving their goal scorer unmarked, I thought it was a good team performance, with everybody seeming to know what they are supposed to be doing and sticking with it. I was impressed with all the new signings who made an appearance. Shame we dropped 2 points as I don't feel Southend deserved anything from the game and Phil Brown should be ashamed of the tactics he employed and for bemoaning the fact that he thought the referee allowed our goal to stand because PP had had a word with the ref at half time, no doubt complaining about the lack of protection he was giving our players. As you say Andy and Grud, strange how we see things differently. Maybe it's because I just don't like Madine that I miss what you see in him. I hate wasted talent and for me Madine has all the attributes, physically including not a little skill but what he lacks for me is attitude. I wouldn't want to be in the trenches with him, let's put it that way. He strikes me as a cry baby, always moaning and falls over at a touch. There were several opportunities yesterday when if he'd stayed on his feet he could easily have got through what I thought was a weak Southend defence. I'd much rather see someone with limited ability but one who gives it all such as Proctor who for me was a breath of fresh air when he came on and put the Shrimpers defence under more pressure than Madine ever did. As you say, it's all about opinions and mainly of course PP's but with Ameobi and Anderson on board I think both our current front men will be spending more time on the bench. |
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Post by OohMac on Sept 4, 2016 21:34:10 GMT
AndyL in Trotters appreciation shock!
Sorry for your evenly balanced and well thought reports there is a blind spot when this man is involved.
As you say Trotter does have the attributes and potential and really think you go out of your way to look for "nearly worked" and "almost" whenever he does anything.
I don't agree that Bolton fans have a boo boy target, just obviously there are a few that put in poor performances more often than not and at the moment it's Moxey, Trotter and Chris Taylor. You may think it's fickle but I think it's reassuring that all three can change the view on a weekly basis.
We didn't get what we deserved yesterday but in last weeks have rode our luck. The draw keeps that momentum going. Still unbeaten, still top and play that game 10 times and we win 8 times convinced of it, we will play worse than that and win this season.
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