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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 19, 2016 17:22:26 GMT
6 different scorers! Unbelievable, nay, unforgivable
28 goals scored in the championship and we hardly mustered an effort on goal.
Will someone please tell me that I'm having a bad dream?? In my bad dream, Leicester are Prem champions, Burton Albion (who??) are in the Championship, Wigan swap places with my Bolton who drop into the third division, or League one as its now known and we've just conceded 6 goals to Bristol Shitty for fks sake!!!! This surely is a dream yeah??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 17:24:38 GMT
Ipswich lost as well so we didn't miss Feeny I just think the whole club has just turned it in and are waiting for the season to end as we all know it's over
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Post by andyl on Mar 19, 2016 17:40:55 GMT
I'll keep this brief. Worst defeat I've ever seen. Abject capitulation. Senior players poor. No spirit. No skill of note. Out fought, out muscled, by Tomlin and Odemwingie outclassed
No idea why Jimmy omitted Trotter and Clough. Even less idea why Derik at right back where he is lost. Player marks Rachubka 2 Derik 2 Holding 4 Wheater 0 (Awful and at fault constantly) Moxey 1 (stood appealing when mugged for 2nd) Davies 0 (rightly subbed) Pratley 2 (like a drunken camel) Vela 4 (off the pace but got in some meat tackles) Walker 5 (best of a bad bunch) Woolery (out of depth but a couple of edgood runs) Madine -n whatever you care to factor,lazy,slow,disinterested, weak. Danns 3 Silva 2 one bright run -looked happy to be subbed
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Post by OohMac on Mar 19, 2016 17:42:37 GMT
Mark Davies has picked up his £20k again. That's all that matters to him.
0 goals about 3 assists but "the best player in the league"according to some and this after we've paid him for being on the treatment table for 8 out of 12 months.
I don't agree with boo boys, I don't think our fans target anyone despite the rubbish that BN printed about Feeney but Mark Davies is an absolute cancer on this club. Sucking us dry like a leach. Bet wolves are laughing at us now
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Post by OohMac on Mar 19, 2016 17:42:54 GMT
Mark Davies has picked up his £20k again. That's all that matters to him.
0 goals about 3 assists but "the best player in the league"according to some and this after we've paid him for being on the treatment table for 8 out of 12 months.
I don't agree with boo boys, I don't think our fans target anyone despite the rubbish that BN printed about Feeney but Mark Davies is an absolute cancer on this club. Sucking us dry like a leach. Bet wolves are laughing at us now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 18:03:00 GMT
Sad really I am trying to get my head around all this because do you know I could have sat down this afternoon after the final whistle and cried 6-0 against Bristol City that hurts me so much I did feel like crying. Then I thought things must change it can't go on like this 6 defeats in our last 7. Is there anything to look forward to?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 19, 2016 22:04:09 GMT
Sad really I am trying to get my head around all this because do you know I could have sat down this afternoon after the final whistle and cried 6-0 against Bristol City that hurts me so much I did feel like crying. Then I thought things must change it can't go on like this 6 defeats in our last 7. Is there anything to look forward to? The only positive, for now chip is that we know we're not dropping into League 2 'for now' If AndyL says this was the worst defeat he's ever seen and in guessing he was at the Reading debacle and also at Wembley for Stoke City's annihilation of us, then this really must have been as poor as the various commentators have stated. Mavies should do a massive donation to Derian/Francis House to show he has morals because that's unfair to be picking up £222 per minute for that showing. Yes Mavies, you read it right, £222 per minute. At least Dick Turpin wore a mask.
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Post by andyl on Mar 19, 2016 22:27:24 GMT
I wasn't at Reading but yes to Stoke and some very desperate efforts over 56 years at Sheffield,at Mansfield and a home 0-6 to Man U but nothing like today. Today was dreadful. We looked small and weak. We fielded the worst keeper I've ever seen play for us. And at the end we just gave up. Stoke at Wembley was bad because of context but it was nothing like this. We looked like a poor non league team
I think Derik and Pratley looked as if they cared. No one else did in defence. I can't remember a tackle we made.
In midfield Vela was slow and out of it save for three tackles.Walker was ok in the first half but faded. Ditto Woolery.
Madine and Davies should not play again. Both didn't try. Pratley was just clumsy and embarrassing.
We hardly played an accurate pass. We had one half glimpse of goal but Danns was blocked out. Woolery got clear twice but was easily muscled off the ball.
They didn't bother with Kodje until the game was won.. Instead Wilbraham just bullied Holding and a very disappointing Wheater. Tomlin and Odemwingie were way too good for our flat footed and exposed defenders. I do not understand why the Derik,Holding partnership was disrupted. Wheater was stale and at fault for two,maybe three goals. Holding looked like the novice he is.We needed Derik ' s no nonsense approach in the middle!!!
It was I reiterate the worst defeat I have personally seen. There was one at home to Coventry once which approached and others mentioned above but this was pathetic.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 19, 2016 22:28:28 GMT
Sack the board !!! haha .
haven't seen the goals yet but you just know with 8 shots faced and 6 let in, Rachubka won't have done too well..putting it mildly. it'll be interesting to see how JP deals with this. Rachubka surely cannot play again..the tea lady couldn't have done any worse. learn from the mistakes, be fair to the individuals involved and don't be too knee jerk.
I was looking at other results today....Charlton faced 8 shots on target..but let 3 in. MK Dons faced 6 shots on target but let 2 in . Leeds faced 9 and let 4 in. all those other keepers are making 4 or 5 saves per game (by deduction), ours made just 2 ,and 1 of those was parried out for the first goal to be swiftly knocked in from it !
Those who have let us down like Mavies and Pratley got yet another chance and by most accounts seemed to blow it again. time for one or maybe both of those to be benched. Trotter was unlucky to be dropped. surely he must come back in. you've got this quandary of do you only play players who'll be here next season or do you play others who won't. e.g Danns and Wellington will be gone but they would come into the reckoning for more game time otherwise.
surprised not to see Clough..was he carrying a knock or something ? surprised to see Walker start seeing as he has rarely made the bench lately. wanted to see him, but a run-out from the bench seemed more appropriate. and the gamble with Wheater's fitness didn't sound like it came off.
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Post by andyl on Mar 19, 2016 22:33:55 GMT
Walker was just about worth the chance but he is really unfit. There was a rumour that Zach Clough might be going on loan to Brighton. Heard this from two or three usually reliable sources..May explain his non appearance
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Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 19, 2016 22:37:23 GMT
I wasn't at Reading but yes to Stoke and some very desperate efforts over 56 years at Sheffield,at Mansfield and a home 0-6 to Man U but nothing like today. Today was dreadful. We looked small and weak. We fielded the worst keeper I've ever seen play for us. And at the end we just gave up. Stoke at Wembley was bad because of context but it was nothing like this. We looked like a poor non league team I think Derik and Pratley looked as if they cared. No one else did in defence. I can't remember a tackle we made. In midfield Vela was slow and out of it save for three tackles.Walker was ok in the first half but faded. Ditto Woolery. M adine and Davies should not play again. Both didn't try. Pratley was just clumsy and embarrassing. We hardly played an accurate pass. We had one half glimpse of goal but Danns was blocked out. Woolery got clear twice but was easily muscled off the ball. They didn't bother with Kodje. Instead Wilbraham just bullied Holding and a very disappointing Wheater. Tomlin and Odemwingie were just too good for our flat footed and exposed defenders. It was I reiterate the worst defeat I have personally seen. There was one at home to Coventry once which approached and others mentioned above but this was pathetic. www.whoscored.com/Matches/959099/LiveStatistics/England-Championship-2015-2016-Bristol-City-Boltonthe stats back that up..Mavies 0 tackles..0 interceptions. 6 tackles for Pratley, and 1 interception. the radio comm's both said..no positives to take from this. I disagree. this is better than a half and half performance with mixed messages. but the correct judgements have to be made based on it. don't be too knee jerk as i said above but wield that axe. a player can't be going knocking on the managers door asking why not starting after this..just show them the video !! Andy rightly distinguishes between someone making a mistake (worth another chance) and someone not trying....do not play !. imagine a Fergie- type response to a player not trying. .
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Post by andyl on Mar 20, 2016 8:24:27 GMT
If the old cliche is true that you get one chance to make a first impression, Jimmy Phillips really fluffed his lines yesterday. In so doing he added weight to the argument of some that Neil Lennon did very well with no budget to make us as competitive as he did for so long. After all many of our defeats were of narrow margin, we have lots of draws and those attending have seen us in just about every game albeit losing manyu throughy gross individual errors.
I don't wear that argument personally. I think Neil made as many errors as any. But the fact remains that yesterday's Lennonless, Feeneyless team was spineless in the extreme. Of course it may be that Jimmy is operating under a brief to select youngsters and it may be that the likes of Clough and Trotter are earmarked for loans this week. But re this last if not I was at a loss to understand how Trotter, in form and anyway, with all his faults, our most capable midfielder was omitted. As they warmed up he was one of the few who remotely measured up in stature when compared with Bristol City who warmed up for a time at our end because of building works and were much more imposing and committed even in warm up routines
Derik had done reasonably well in recent games at centre half but inexplicably he was stuck at right back where he had failed so dismally before that Neil had him in the naughty corner for almost the entire season and within moments Odemwingie cut in past his non existent left foot and from the shot which resulted Rachubka parried. Derik did clear a few and did better when forcibly moved more centrallyl to deal with Odemwingie but he just looked lost, like George Clooney in Gravity marooned in space. However as I say at least he tried his best.
I do like the stats site that rtf is quoting. It hides no one. In terms of Rachubka it hid appalling distribution and shakiness. Once he even came out, backed off and was outflanked. It looked craven and weak. Any aerial cross went unchallenged until one late last ditch punch for an eminently catchable ball. His distribution was abysmal. I didn't think that he was particularly culpable for any of the goals but the point is that he never looked like saving any or imposing himself on the build up play. He was as prominent as Casper the friendly ghost and equally transparent. He's just not up to it.
Pratley as I say did try and in the first half was ok compared to the slender youths around him but floundered on the ball- that's the only way to describe his constant losses of balance against smaller opponents. he was ungainly and clumsy and forever left sprawling and appealing on the floor- I'm sure you can all imagine. Again OK as a complementary player running ahead of Trotter's base on other days but here left high and dry.
If Walker was initially neat and Woolery spirited, if Holding showed glimpses of good play on the ball, if Derik was uncompromising they all looked out of their depth against more powerful, physical opponents. But they needed experienced support and in defence that needed to come from Moxey and Wheater in this selection and they were slow and just outclassed. Maybe Wheater was rusty. It was a huge mistake to break up Holding and Derik if youth policy is the thing. They were improving and had some understanding. Derik was positionally awry last week and if analysed closely his game is lacking but he is tough, committed and uncomprising and he launches a good clearance. Wheater wasn't equal to any of that and Holding was exposed time and time and of course there was nothing in front of him. Vela just isn't quick or strong enmough to hold down a position and Mark Davies just played push me pull you and showed no interest in dribbling or tackling- I think he was even caught in possession again once. Moxey oin the second goal was terrible but also in other moves. constantly out of position. Our best left back this year and deadball taker was Casado who if slow and fiery did not deserve his naughty corner ostracism and despatch. We badly lacked anything fiery yesterday
Too early to say what the impact of Peter Reid might be. Jimmy's chance of the job must surely be gone. You cannot recover from that anymore than Owen Coyle could recover from Stoke or Dougie that last game at Fulham ( or Reading) or Megson the home debacle v Hull. The team spirit is shot to pieces.
Did we miss Feeney? Maybe a bit. We missed his gallops up the field and ability to move us forward.But he would not have affected this game. I note that McCarthy brought him on after 45.Never happened here.Had it I may have regarded him differently. But yes he would have tried and within his limitations offered something but he was not the answer.
Madine won one header late on and had one sort of shot, I think. But he loped around and didn't jump for any header before and there were many chances to do so. He also gave the ball away and was impossible to find. He should not play again as I said earlier. You cannot do that in a Wanderers shirt. I do think in current circumstances we have to play five in midfield. Woolery is inexperienced but he makes some sort of showing as a lone striker in that he has speed.
It was dreadful to watch and there is little relief in recounting it. I feel traumatised by the experience and so should they. Ther was no fight. There was no competition. It was limp and for all the world a mismatch.
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Post by greydad on Mar 20, 2016 8:27:31 GMT
As with the debacle at Rotherham earlier in the season I decided to defer comment until I had had a good night's sleep...the duration of the coach journey home helped dissipate my mood, aided by good company and one ear focussed on England's Grand Slam triumph in France, but the stark reality of yesterday was that the optimism and good-will in evidence in the build-up to the match lasted for 3 minutes. Player ratings seem irrelevant... it is to be hoped that this truly is the nadir of our season, and that somehow the respite afforded by International duties will afford JP and company the time and the means of effecting the restoration of some pride, commitment but most of all confidence within the depleted ranks available to them. I had communicated to Andy L my mixed feelings regarding Neil's departure, but felt on balance that it being likely he would not be at the club next season, the remaining games would allow the new regime to learn everything they would need to know about the squad, and thus gain the necessary insight to inform key decisions for the next season. As regards addressing immediate concerns, yesterday provided further evidence that Derik is not a full-back, and his partnership with Holding should have prevailed. The loss of our two best midfielders over the last few weeks left the team woefully short in that department, and whilst it seems that Spearing will not feature again this season, Trotter's omission was difficult to understand. We have no viable target man, so why not dispense with that particular option, restore Wilson, play a 5 man midfield including Clough (unless he is destined for other parts) and persevere with Woolery in the hope that his pace will reap dividends and that he will benefit from being given a run in the team. It may also be wise to see how one or other of our young goalkeepers might respond to the challenge until Amos is fit to return, if indeed he is to be retained when fit! Let us at least turn out a team that can compete with the opposition we will be faced with between now and May 7th.
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Post by spanishjonny on Mar 20, 2016 11:23:07 GMT
Where has Jimmy Philips been the last few months, it was obvious that Derick was not suitable for r/b, Wilson is not the best but is supposed to be a right back, Holding and Derick have been OK in the middle so leave that alone, Moxey is a l/b but was poor yesterday but with no other option he will continue till the end of the season
The next 8 games are not pre season warm ups, every team still has something to play for, some fans say give the young ones a go but in this league, unlike us, teams are professional and merciless, yesterday may be repeated several times before we crawl away wounded. The aim for the remaining games must be just not to lose Anymore games like yesterday will only mean it takes us even longer to recover any confidence going forward
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Post by joanna on Mar 20, 2016 12:03:49 GMT
Was at Reading: saw signs of fight. Some bad luck sealed our ultimate plight.
Flew back from NY through the night To Wembley and Stoke: saw glimmers of light.
No go Sat'dy, try as I might. Seems I missed a pile of sh.te!
William Shakespeare esq.
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