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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 10:27:01 GMT
Snippet from Alan Brazil breakfast show today. Phil Brown was with Alan, his phone going off every 5 mins Phil saying he had to take these calls. Read into that what you will. I believe that Deano wants Phil Brown and from all I've heard Brown would jump at the chance. Compensation is rarely a factor in these cases as with Big Sam and Notts County and also Big Sam and Newcastle. Prediction that Brown resigns and will be Bolton manager for next season. JP to bridge the gap and stay on as number 2? sorry mate but £25,000 was the compo paid for sam to notts county as for Newcastle sam was a free agent at that time so no recorded monies changed hands over that deal . |
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Post by andyl on Mar 16, 2016 10:40:31 GMT
Possibly true, Joanna. But wouldn't I have you on the couch beside me?. If in sentence one you change my name for yours and swap Trotter's and Feeney's name......
I suspect I have praised Feeney and criticised him if not in equal measure at least with sporadic recognition of his strengths. Re Trotter there are people who think as you do for sure- you have been quite overblown in criticism of him from time to time but there are also others who think as I do that if underachieving he is at best a good player. We have seen a fair few examples of his skill recently eg Rotherham winner and goal v Preston. So to really balance your observation and self perception of equanimity and fairness you may need to identify one or two of Trotter's virtues?
I for my part am happy enough to admit that Feeney has driven me to distraction and I'm happy for change. What remains unproven of course is my hypothesis launched before Saturday's game that we might just do better without him. That was never going to be tested under Neil. Now it will under Jimmy. Many other factors in play of course.
In terms of Neil the object of this thread,he leaves with a very weak record. I think we have to get behind Deano and the tough decisions he's having to take and in my opinion these are the right two. If later in the day I find Trotter has gone out on loan too, so be it. I will regret that but again support Deano. He has to shed high earners.
My original post was however noting the irony of Neil's and Feeney's more or less simultaneous exits.
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Post by joanna on Mar 16, 2016 13:01:48 GMT
"Possibly true, Joanna. But wouldn't I have you on the couch beside me?"..........Yikes!! Would you like to re-phrase that first sentence, Andy??!! Perish the thought!   |
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Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 16, 2016 13:54:28 GMT
And Feeney may be leaving too. It feels very Christmassy. Very clever to call Neil in and tell him Feeney might be leaving. No wonder it was mutual consent. He probably resigned on the spot.! Andy, you can get help for obsession. Your infatuation with Trotter and your irrational hatred of Feeney need professional therapy. Feeney is our top goalscorer and has provided more assists than anyone else. I'm not saying that he is anything more than an average talent, but if all our players put in the uncomplaining commitment and effort that he has, we would not be in this mess. There have been far worse team members this season. Some of our lazy shirkers with awful attitudes should hang their heads in shame, as their performances have declined so badly in tandem with the club's predicament. Sheer effort can succeed in this division. Who will be next in line for overblown praise or criticism? One thing is for sure: there will be one or two, unless you get help, sir! Bearing in mind our circumstances, I shudder to think who might be prepared to replace Lennon, given the almost impossible task he will have, the lack of resources and the shower of left-overs he will have to work with, especially if we can't afford any backroom staff to help. I can't think of any affordable replacement that would manage us successfully at the moment. Good luck, Jimmy P! I am with andyl on the subject of Feeney, and yet I agree it would have been nice for a few others to have put in as much effort, but no player has been given the same opportunity to show their willingness to work for the cause as Feeney has, he has played in every game this season only being subbed off either 3 or 4 times and then at NL's preferred late stage of a game when it probably made little difference to the result. How do we know how well some of the younger players might have fared, had they been given as much game time as Feeney. His contract is up at the end of the season, we are already down, so by keeping him all we would be doing is blocking the progression of the players we will be relying on next season in League 1. |
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Post by andyl on Mar 16, 2016 14:00:03 GMT
Exactly,rtf! And what if others had passed the ball less perhaps but more regularly to the feet of teammates and had held on to it longer when under pressure.
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Post by joanna on Mar 16, 2016 16:02:07 GMT
RTF and AL: Pure conjecture and wishful thinking.....luxuries that managers under pressure don't have. I wouldn't have minded some experimentation with youngsters who have excelled in training (I wonder if there have been any!), but not at the expense of a player who is giving his all when other regulars have been less effective or equally average but without the same dependable effort and workrate. It seems to me that whenever Lennon did try out youth, the results were usually dreadful: Wilkinson springs to mind. Woolie may be the exception?? So many of them don't look up to the physical challenge....even Clough. Fitness coach's ability??
Has there been anyone since Chungy and Lonergan that we would hate to see shipped out now? Anyone we would really miss?
It WILL be youth from now on, clearly, whether impressing in training or not.
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Post by andyl on Mar 16, 2016 16:20:35 GMT
I would say that managers ten points adrift need to experiment. But Lennon surely did make capricious decisions. Twardzik left back at Forest. Bannan right midfield at Forest and Ipswich. Wilkinson v Liverpool and others. Kellett at Rotherham. Derik to right back at Blackburn. 3 at the back one Holding at Middlesbro. Threlkeld at Norwich.. Silva and Feeney together over ten times. It's a myth to argue that Neil favoured experience.
Feeney was omitted at Ipswich last season and we played really well Rochina excellent.
Curiously Neil sometimes did not back experience. Spearing was often omitted. Trotter didn't play. Medo never featured. Danns has been omitted since Christmas having been a first season regular.
Lonergan you mention left after a strange incident at Forest and was pushed aside by Neil. Vela has been in and out of favour. Casado was MoM a couple of times then never seen again after dismissal.
None of it reads conservatively or consistently.
Of course all managers need to experiment and previous managers brought no young players into contention so this is not Neil's biggest failing
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Post by joanna on Mar 16, 2016 18:44:12 GMT
You totally miss the point.....
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Post by andyl on Mar 16, 2016 19:40:26 GMT
You may then need to clarify it! A player giving his all should only be given priority selection if his all is productive. Feeney for the most part was not.
Re whom to jettison I've put my opinion on the transfer thread as has rtf.
Re Neil seeing form in training - it would be good to think he did. But one wonders.
Anyway they have both gone!
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Post by andyl on Mar 16, 2016 19:43:16 GMT
I do think also that we should trust Jimmy to strike a sensible balance of youth and experience. You once advocated giving him more time, Joanna. Let's see what he does and what his results are! Nothing to lose.
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Post by OohMac on Mar 16, 2016 21:15:17 GMT
Snippet from Alan Brazil breakfast show today. Phil Brown was with Alan, his phone going off every 5 mins Phil saying he had to take these calls. Read into that what you will. I believe that Deano wants Phil Brown and from all I've heard Brown would jump at the chance. Compensation is rarely a factor in these cases as with Big Sam and Notts County and also Big Sam and Newcastle. Prediction that Brown resigns and will be Bolton manager for next season. JP to bridge the gap and stay on as number 2? sorry mate but £25,000 was the compo paid for sam to notts county as for Newcastle sam was a free agent at that time so no recorded monies changed hands over that deal . Well that's a major final, two European tours and successive top 10 finishes for the price of a decent, brand new hatchback? I thought I read in Big Sams book that County were holding of for compensation but never got anything. And how was Sam a free agent, we agreed for him to be released from his contract which still had a few years on it and within weeks he was in charge at a rival club(was then). So if Phil Brown decides for instance that he doesn't fancy the Southern air anymore he could leave and then be offered employment off us and take it and we wouldn't owe anything? Wouldn't have thought so. Not sure why we didn't try and get money off Newcastle to be honest. I can't believe the amount of fans crying over Feeney on the BN. Its like Zaine leaving One Direction all over again(tried to throw in a pop culture reference, pretty sure i've spelt it wrong) Chris Eagles got more stick that him and he was leading scorer too. No one tried harder than Craig Davies but there were no tears when he left. Some people are actually shocked that a club hemorrhaging a million a month are looking to get rid of a player they know they can't afford next season anyway. People also seem to think because Mick Mcarthy has signed him it proves he's a belting player. So where were the bids in January when it was well known that everyone bar Clough were available on loan or permanent for free. I'l give Feeney is due, since January he's upped his game. But he's still a winger that can't cross, has no real trickery and seems to make the worst choices. When Casado took corners they looked miles more likely to score. |
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Post by Pedro on Mar 17, 2016 19:45:05 GMT
My quote after the Preston game. "Time for Deano to make a decision .................... Bring in Jimmy Phillips and David Lee for the rest of the season and also a good handful of the development squad to test them out at Championship level. They cannot be any worse than the tired old journeymen currently underperforming and would give us a look at our team members of the future." Deano reads Trottersforever forum!!  There is a *** Feeney and Lemon Yay!! |
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 17, 2016 22:31:42 GMT
I'm not really sure who I'd want for our next boss, probably Nigel Pearson would be a decent shout but can one imagine Browny doing a Guardiola and signing pre contract terms to become our next manager for the start of next season.
Whilst.....
Guiding Southend to the Championship via the play offs!! It could happen
Would we really be a better option for him?? Would he be a better option for us?
Stranger things have happened, but if I was offered Sunny Southend in the Championship or dreary BWFC in League One, with dreadful players and not even a half empty ReeMac stadium, I know what I'd choose.
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Post by OohMac on Mar 19, 2016 10:34:32 GMT
I'm not really sure who I'd want for our next boss, probably Nigel Pearson would be a decent shout but can one imagine Browny doing a Guardiola and signing pre contract terms to become our next manager for the start of next season. Whilst..... Guiding Southend to the Championship via the play offs!! It could happen Would we really be a better option for him?? Would he be a better option for us? Stranger things have happened, but if I was offered Sunny Southend in the Championship or dreary BWFC in League One, with dreadful players and not even a half empty ReeMac stadium, I know what I'd choose. I know which I would choose too Rioch but think we're on opponent ends of the argument. For me Bolton is a big club, the fans may come back but either the costs have got it come down or the standards have got to up. Dramatically. Sheff United are proof that there's no guarantee to go back up. For some teams the Macron will seem like playing in a cup final at Wembley. They will go to win at all costs. But Bolton will always be a better option than Southend. Even for sun loving Browny. |
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 19, 2016 16:04:13 GMT
Point taken OooM
I suppose that in Browny, he's had experience in every league having got Southend promoted from L2, also managing at Derby and Hull, he's not got that bad a CV and he's got Bolton in his blood, I'm just concerned of having another Coyle in our camp.
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