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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 7, 2016 11:39:43 GMT
Message to Marcus Evans: If you give BWFC's coffers 50 grand today, before we are wound up, we will save you, your back room staff, your manager Big Mick, his back room team, the 20 players you bring on the bus, the bus, the bus driver, oh and the 2000 fans you might bring to the ReeMac, we will save you all the journey and just give you the 3 points now!!!! If you don't want to shake my hand now you might as well set off now but the outcome will still be the same, you'll still get the 3 points 1-2
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Post by andyl on Mar 7, 2016 11:51:55 GMT
It seems that not playing well enough is sufficient criterion not to start these days. Age seems to be no barrier so perhaps we should bring boots. Provided we can get through the warm up there should be a few vacancies
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 7, 2016 13:42:09 GMT
It seems that not playing well enough is sufficient criterion not to start these days. Age seems to be no barrier so perhaps we should bring boots. Provided we can get through the w arm up there should be a few vacancies What an absolute cock Lennon is? If Wellington Silva is not playing well enough, could he please tell me what the benchmark is??
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Post by OohMac on Mar 7, 2016 13:57:28 GMT
I was really Excited by Silva from the first day but think he hasn't really made the most of his time here but for me he should be playing more advanced buzzing around the box. He's a penalty waiting to be given. Quick feet and tricky. He gets the ball far too deep and his tricks usually end up costing us possession in a bad area.
But why does Lennon think it's ok to single these players out Wilson, Silva, Vela, Walker, Woolery and ignore the absolute shocking performances of the senior players. For me it's borderline bullying. I'm sure Madine saw it that way too when he told him what he thought. Lennon backed down to him as most bullies do.
Not going to lie I'll avoid the match tomorrow. Can see a draw maybe, even a narrow win wouldn't lift my spirits too much. Would love to see an attacking young team based on pace. Woolery and Clough with Silva behind. Trotter, Spearing and Vela in the middle. 4-2-1-3. (Basically we'll play the Barcelona way) I can't see why not! We aren't that much behind them are we. They may have slightly more experience but that's about it
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 7, 2016 15:05:38 GMT
Well Neil's hardly likely to change things now is he? I mean if he suddenly put the kids in and they started winning (despite not being in form or experienced enough) it would just make him look a bigger dipstick than he already is, difficult as that may be. Anyway, whichever way things go today he'll hopefully be gone soon along with his equally useless back room team.
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Post by andyl on Mar 7, 2016 16:58:53 GMT
Whilst recognising that Feeney is fully committed imagine if you were Silva being told that you aren't playing well enough and watching the much praised Feeney in training. I have argued for ages that they should alternate within games
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Post by Trotter on Mar 7, 2016 17:48:50 GMT
Home win for me against Mick and the tractor boys, I always want to beat Ipswich just a tad more than other clubs, call me spiteful or even a bad loser but I have still not shaken off that night in Ipswich were Barry Knight had my blood boiling, I should have walked home from Ipswich that night to calm down. Bolton 4 Ipswich 0 (feel better now)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 18:23:27 GMT
Not too bothered as its all gone tits up it will just be another defeat looking forward to going to Rochdale Southend oh and Port Vale lets hope we have a better season next season.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 7, 2016 21:20:01 GMT
I honestly don't care any more, we have been relegated virtually from day one of the season, why should this game be any different from the ones that have gone before. It's a loss for me, pick your own score.
NL seems to think our only problem is that we don't score goals, what he doesn't seem to appreciate is that we start the game with one point. If we don't concede a goal even if we don't score, then we still have a point at the end of it. Obviously a point a game isn't good enough but at this stage of the season we would have had 35 pts and be = to MK Dons, so just a few goals added and we would have garnered a few more points.
Keeping clean sheets is almost more important than scoring goals. Concede a goal and then scoring or lack of scoring becomes more of a problem.
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Post by davidm on Mar 7, 2016 21:38:39 GMT
I can't believe that I am approaching a game with such indifference.
We are down so let's hope that there is a fundamental change in the manager's approach to this game. Let' not play the same style, same old players followed by same old excuses.
Maybe a draw but does it matter anymore?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 10:15:03 GMT
I honestly don't care any more, we have been relegated virtually from day one of the season, why should this game be any different from the ones that have gone before. It's a loss for me, pick your own score. NL seems to think our only problem is that we don't score goals, what he doesn't seem to appreciate is that we start the game with one point. If we don't concede a goal even if we don't score, then we still have a point at the end of it. Obviously a point a game isn't good enough but at this stage of the season we would have had 35 pts and be = to MK Dons, so just a few goals added and we would have garnered a few more points. Keeping clean sheets is almost more important than scoring goals. Concede a goal and then scoring or lack of scoring becomes more of a problem. that is what every manager I have played for has always said , you have a point to start don't come off with less
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Post by OohMac on Mar 8, 2016 19:36:57 GMT
Vela Out of the squad tonight. Lennon has now gone full circle as has reached Dougie Freedman levels now.
Out managers post Sam is like Dr Who, they regenerate every few years look different and act differently but after a while they are the same really.
Know that Lennon would pick Dervite if he had his way so I'm not shocked by the selection. Just think his laboured approach should be laid to rest. When were down we may play with some freedom.
2 questions; if Rangers beat Celtic in the semi final of the cup would that spell the end for Delia? (Is that his name) if so, and i think you know where I'm going with this, would Neil be in with a shot to return. He has to jump at that chance doesn't he and take his staff with him?
2nd question is which players honestly regardless of contract would be prepared to rip up their contract tonight in the hope of championship level football next season? People said Allardyces signings were mercenaries. I would hope Pratley, davies, trotter, Moxey and Amos all think they're better than league 1.
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Post by OohMac on Mar 8, 2016 22:18:19 GMT
Home points are only any good if you win any away- which we have not done!
I'll admit when Lennon came I loved everything he said. He boosted the community and made the Macron good to go to again. I'll even admit that he had a tough task of getting rid of a lot of crap left behind. He released a lot of players yes but I don't buy his latest rubbish about him not knowing how bad it was. First job before an interview research the company.
He's a disaster and I think he knows it. Probably thought he had the Midas touch at Celtic. This has been a proper baptism of fire. He should have stood down when Mjalby did(he must have been the brains as he got out at the right time and knew something we all didn't)
Warnock just led his side to victory again! Missed opportunity. Would have kept us up I'm sure if he'd been brought in earlier for little cost on a small contract
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Post by andyl on Mar 8, 2016 23:13:08 GMT
This was always apt to be a managerial mismatch and so for me it proved despite our late rally. From our point of view it was all strange.10 points adrift and we started with Clough upfront and Feeney somewhere. Vela was absent and Woolery named a sub at 7 was replaced by Walker at 8. It's probably the case that but for injury none of Wilson,Derik or maybe even the classy Holding would be selected by Neil. In this game I thoughts they were our best players on the night. Mick McCarthy set up Ipswich to be cautious and hard to beat.He stood in the technical area throughout,made structured tactical changes and after our usual frenetic first fifteen and missed chances Ipswich pretty much controlled the play. Pratley,Clough and Derik all missed what looked like really easy chances and they scored with what I think was a mishit that went in off the bar. Feeney made a couple of energetic dashes but had little end product and Clough was routinely outmuscled. I thought we built attacks quite well. The back four all played neatly and passed well. When they linked up with Trotter and Davies we offered patches of fluent football albeit without cutting edge In the second half we needed to step up a gear but failed to do so really. We won a couple of corners but little else. Feeney was having a typically frustrating game and most definitely should have made way for Silva but of course Feeney is unsubbable. In the end with the crowd baying for change Neil took Trotter off who if not at his best had been our best passer and had prompted some good attacks this in contrast to Pratley who was terrible throughout. Madine came on and improved things upfront. But then a harmless cross saw stand in keeper Rachubka keel over like an inebriated marionette and two nil saw heads drop alarmingly. Wilso however no doubt energised by his unwarranted exile in the naughty corner latched on to a Madine knock back and crashed an unstoppable shot. Could we recover. The game meandered on. Feeney got worse and worse. Ipswich began to feel they could see the game out. Dobbie was introduced for Clough and inspired a chorus of ''You don't know what you're doing'. Not quite fair as Clough had contributed little and had offered another glaring missed header. However Feeney for Silva was the obvious move. In the event we saw Silva on the stroke of 90 minutes. His first run into the box was rewarded with a yellow card for diving but his second led to a penalty. A harsh penalty and nearly a second yellow but I thought I saw contact and happily so did the referee.Dobbie crashed home the penalty with commendable confidence. A lucky point perhaps and not one to help in the relegation fight which is a lost cause anyway. I think the game again raised questions about managerial judgment and initial selection but in the end it was the three subs wh oearned the draw. But we needed to win and to be three up in the first half.Missed chances cost us dear. When however we reflect on this game maybe it served only to prove that Derik and Wilson should have been selected more times and that the manager is quite wrong about Feeney. If he appears in my nighttime it will be a dream of a ghoulish apparition with next to no skill. He has perhaps10%of the ability of Silva? Surely a caution however compensated by effort Rachubka 3 Wilson 8 Derik 7 Holding 7 Moxey 6 Spearing 6 Trotter 6 Pratley 3 Davies 7 Feeney 3 Clough 4. Madine 6 Dobbie 6 Silva( vital contribution- if only he was playing as well as Feeney- ?
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Post by natfan on Mar 8, 2016 23:35:46 GMT
I'm old enough to have sung, 'Oh, oh, oh, what a referee, his little wooden whistle wouldn't whistle!' (For younger fans that was the 'fifties version of, 'the referee's a w****r!'). Perhaps my age has affected my eyesight but does anyone else agree that the penalty given was less genuine than at least three genuine penalty calls? Also, was the free kick for holding (dramatically illustrated by the ref), which led to their second goal, the first one he had given for that offence? Ipswich had been holding our players that way for most of the match without attracting his attention. Still, it is unfair to blame the ref. His boss is Mike Riley - if he had been fair to Bolton he would be refereeing in the Conference (sorry! age again, National League) for the next four weeks!) Agree fully with Andy except for Feeney. He works hard every game and it is not his fault that the few crosses that he delivers accurately are met with powder puff shots/headers. I loved Lennon when he arrived (though Phil Brown would have been my choice) but I was more than happy to join in the boos for the substitution - I think that the crowd were not so much supporting Clough as wondering why Silva was not the replacement, or even, like me, (who did not know he was not on the bench) Woolery.
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