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Post by davidm on Feb 27, 2016 18:49:42 GMT
I think that this was the match that finally confirmed that we are doomed.
We dominated most of the game but fell short because of two major reasons:-
1. – we cannot create/take chances when we are on top.
2. – we cannot defend well enough to earn points
Unfortunately, no matter how well we played, those two points will take us into Div 1. We were all celebrating 3 weeks ago when Woolery scored against Rotherham and were trying to work out how the “Great Escape” would come about and what has happened since then? 1 point from 4 games. Just sums us up.
Overall, it was a decent performance but we lost. Burnley played average and won.
It is hard to be too critical and we deserved so much more but poor goal scoring and poor defending have cost us all season and so it proved today.
Marks :-
Rachubka - 6 Good save and very unlucky for first goal. I think the second was just a wonder shot. Otherwise reasonably good.
Vela - 6 Some decent joining up with the attack but his distribution is looking raggy these days when it was his best asset.
Moxey - 6 Like Vela, some good attacking. One centre in the first half was begging for a forward just to tap it in.
Holding - 7 He is a strong part of our team these days. Strong again but maybe he should have clattered Gray at the end and taken a card for the team. Instead he was beaten by a pure class goal.
Derik - 8 Initially, I was worried about his lack of physical size but he did well. Read the game well. Makes you think that he should have been in the team for the last few months.
Feeney - 8 Probably his best match of the season. He terrorised the Burnley right back but I just wish his passing was better because he made so many breaks down the left and the move fizzled out because his centre/pass more often than not hit the first man. He doesn’t have the ability to regularly find one of our men with the pass. It is just hit and hope but definitely a good performance.
Clough - 6 Some nice touches but missed a sitter at the end of a wonderful flowing move in the second half.
Spearing - 6 Would have been a higher mark but for the horrendous mistake when he got caught in possession and Burnley broke to score the winner.
Davies - 5 To me, he still does not dominate the opposition enough. One lovely run in the second half but when we attack, he rarely gets in the box.
Pratley -6 Same comment as Davies – he doesn’t get in the box enough. He knocked Burnley (Barton in particular) about a bit but desperately lacks creativity.
Heskey - 5 Still don’t see his contribution. I would prefer Woolery on the pitch.
Madine - 6 Got involved and set up the goal.
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Post by andyl on Feb 27, 2016 19:25:22 GMT
Yes - and with chances taken we were worth 10 pts of 12. I think today we only rated a draw really despite our hopes but certainly Brighton QPR and Birmingham were winnable.
Today wasn't really at Neil's door except insofar as it vindicated Derik and playing with one flanker. The injury to Trotter knocked us off course but that to Dervite if tardy was heaven sent.
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Post by Pedro on Feb 28, 2016 12:57:27 GMT
Thought it was a fantastic game and having just watched the 11 minutes of highlights on Wanderers Player it showed that we made some really good chances which were missed by Holding, Vela, Spearing, Feeney and Clough. What do they do on that bloody training ground? Kudos to Feeney for a vast improvement and Madine for an unselfish but correct decision to pass instead of miss which led to Feeney's goal. Burnley have now gone top and we are second bottom it beggars belief after looking the better side for most of the game.
The game was screaming out for Woolery and Alex Samizadeh but of course he wasn't in the team - he was scoring two goals in the Under 18's fightback against Birmingham to come back and win from being 3-0 down. How can we not be using these very pacey youngsters to change a game when we are losing, I just can not comprehend.
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Post by bonaparte on Feb 28, 2016 13:43:00 GMT
I agreed very much with your match assessment Andy, but then you go a spoil it by getting on your soapbox about Trotter in your later one. Trotter has done very little for the team, although I agree he was better when used as a sub, when others were tiring, but who would he displace?
I agree with Pedro about the youngsters, having seen both City and United play 18 year olds, why can Mr Lennon not do it?
The possible winning formation has been brought about by injuries to his first team automatics forcing him to play the youngsters.
His substitutions yesterday were crass.
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Post by OohMac on Feb 28, 2016 15:39:08 GMT
Can Samizadeh actually play for us? I know it sounds like a stupid question and maybe it is but if he can go and play for Derby Academy then have we got him signed up as a full player. We aren't allowed to sign anyone so maybe he can't actually feature for a senior game? I honestly don't know why else he wouldn't be on the bench a bit more if for nothing else to feel included in the squad, soak up the atmosphere of a match day so next season it won't phase him because next season surely we'll have no Heskey.
As a one off match you could say that yes they're unlucky and they played well. Everton had 30 odd chances at West Brom last week and lost 0-1. West Brom had one chance that day so these results do happen but in the context of the season it shows the mentality of this team. They have too easy to beat.
This was a poor Burnley team that we should have buried regardless of league position. Other teams around us seem to be able to pick up wins. Bristol City and Rotherham have new managers that I can make the difference.
Here's a thought for next season; Paul Clement comes in. Not a disaster at Derby by any means. He takes over here and Mr Mourinho takes over at Man United and we may get to take 2 or 3 of the young United players on loan. Clement was Jose's number two and I'm sure he would like to do a nice favour.
(Same might be said for Steve Clarke)
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 28, 2016 15:42:17 GMT
Thought it was a fantastic game and having just watched the 11 minutes of highlights on Wanderers Player it showed that we made some really good chances which were missed by Holding, Vela, Spearing, Feeney and Clough. What do they do on that bloody training ground? Kudos to Feeney for a vast improvement and Madine for an unselfish but correct decision to pass instead of miss which led to Feeney's goal. Burnley have now gone top and we are second bottom it beggars belief after looking the better side for most of the game. The game was screaming out for Woolery and Alex Samizadeh but of course he wasn't in the team - he was scoring two goals in the Under 18's fightback against Birmingham to come back and win from being 3-0 down. How can we not be using these very pacey youngsters to change a game when we are losing, I just can not comprehend. Dare I add to that with Marcus Rashford!!!!!! If your good enough your old enough... |
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 28, 2016 16:54:59 GMT
Thought it was a fantastic game and having just watched the 11 minutes of highlights on Wanderers Player it showed that we made some really good chances which were missed by Holding, Vela, Spearing, Feeney and Clough. What do they do on that bloody training ground? Kudos to Feeney for a vast improvement and Madine for an unselfish but correct decision to pass instead of miss which led to Feeney's goal. Burnley have now gone top and we are second bottom it beggars belief after looking the better side for most of the game. The game was screaming out for Woolery and Alex Samizadeh but of course he wasn't in the team - he was scoring two goals in the Under 18's fightback against Birmingham to come back and win from being 3-0 down. How can we not be using these very pacey youngsters to change a game when we are losing, I just can not comprehend. Dare I add to that with Marcus Rashford!!!!!! If your good enough your old enough... he probably isn't that good and wouldn't get a start if it wasn't for injuries (remember Macheda )...but what he has got is confidence after scoring 2 midweek...Woolery's recent confidence wasn't allowed this chance to "snowball" ,it's just been allowed to fade out / ebb away. absolute shame. same for Samizadeh..probably isn't ready for the first team on talent alone but on confidence is worth a go when all before him are failing. |
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Post by joanna on Feb 28, 2016 16:59:22 GMT
Another match that proved that almost every squad member can compete, or even excel, at this level. Doing it consistently is the issue, but we more than matched the team sitting top of the league. Capability is clear (for most!)
Once again a couple of unaccountable individual errors, a late goal and some near misses ruined an excellent performance.....and, by the way, if you can't bring yourself to give Feeney man-of-the-match marks today, you never will (!), and your prejudice is clearly entrenched. There are some on here desperate to prove that they are always right and will argue their opinion against all the evidence. Expecting the worst before the game even starts is not an attractive trait, and pouncing on the first error in order to complain loudly is even less so. Just look at most of the pre-match predictions! Being unreasonably miserable and finding fault are Bolton fans' trademarks.
I would say that we haven't had much luck this season, whereas it always appeared that DF's tactics produced awful performances and some undeserved results.
An expensive striker rescued Burnley but there is future promise for us if we can stretch to a replacement for Mjallby, add some pace via youth and keep the spirit.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 28, 2016 17:13:26 GMT
decent performance but bit fed up of NL saying we played "well" when yet again we didn't test their keeper enough. we only had 2 shots on target. ( 1 in the previous game, and 2 in the one before that !) . it's like Van Gaal stuff ...lots of possession but no punch. like a boxer who throws punches that don't land, but has a glass jaw himself.
Burnley had more shots both on and off target. partly that's due to the class of Andre Gray, but it's also about NL favouring players like Mavies, who still hasn't scored a league goal for us this season & rarely shoots , in preference to the likes of Wellington and Woolery who have pace & can get you a goal . NL seems more concerned with "style" than results. Managers like Big Sam and Pulis don't get relegated...and they couldn't care less about style...sit deep...hoof it long..players with pace up top to score on the counter. whereas under NL we get caught on the counter almost every week.
one thing I noticed from the highlights video..look at the space their right back, Lowton, ( who crosses to Andre Gray ) has around 1 min 24 in the vid just before the first goal we concede...
midfield all at sea again ...where is our left midfielder ? Mavies or Feeney? when the action starts at 1.16/1.17 Pratley, Mavies and Spearing are in pretty much in place, at the bottom triangle of the diamond so to speak..yet they just all get pulled out of position too easily. even when we have enough men back it doesn't run as efficiently as it should. Pratley doesn't exactly exert himself to get back or shuffle across .
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Post by davidm on Feb 28, 2016 17:25:10 GMT
Thought it was a fantastic game and having just watched the 11 minutes of highlights on Wanderers Player it showed that we made some really good chances which were missed by Holding, Vela, Spearing, Feeney and Clough. What do they do on that bloody training ground? Kudos to Feeney for a vast improvement and Madine for an unselfish but correct decision to pass instead of miss which led to Feeney's goal. Burnley have now gone top and we are second bottom it beggars belief after looking the better side for most of the game. The game was screaming out for Woolery and Alex Samizadeh but of course he wasn't in the team - he was scoring two goals in the Under 18's fightback against Birmingham to come back and win from being 3-0 down. How can we not be using these very pacey youngsters to change a game when we are losing, I just can not comprehend. Dare I add to that with Marcus Rashford!!!!!! If your good enough your old enough...
The well deserved result was BWFC 1 ManU 0 - goalscorer a certain Kayne Woolery |
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 28, 2016 17:31:34 GMT
one final point from me...agree with David M re Feeney " Feeney - 8 Probably his best match of the season. He terrorised the Burnley right back but I just wish his passing was better because he made so many breaks down the left and the move fizzled out because his centre/pass more often than not hit the first man. He doesn’t have the ability to regularly find one of our men with the pass. It is just hit and hope but definitely a good performance."www.whoscored.com/Matches/959136/LiveStatistics/England-Championship-2015-2016-Bolton-Burnleyunder player stats then passing: Feeney made an incredible 32 crosses... only 3 of which were accurate. in contrast Burnleys best crosser was Ward, he only made 4 yet 2 were accurate ! it also begs the question, Clough is our best player by a country mile...why are we crossing to a midget !? why aren't we playing to ZC's strength. just all more shades of Coyle..and shades of Celtic..big team in small league breaking down weak opposition..obsessed with wingers..playing too many of them ( until lately )..now still obsessed with crosses. crossing for crossings sake...crossing whether anybody is in the box or not or whether they are good in the air. |
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Post by andyl on Feb 29, 2016 21:30:50 GMT
Feeney is Feeney. He did do some very good things in the game but the stats rtf quotes are telling. And it's avery good point about playing to the players we have. That said to get a cross to the precise patch of earth on which Heskey and Madine might be standing at a height and trajectory they might connect with would require more than Feeney's boot- a laser guided missile would have difficulty. Now maybe if Feeney could become an automated drone
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