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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 20, 2016 18:43:43 GMT
Survival has gone AndyL
Why on earth did he not bring Silva on if Clough had to go off?? He's more attack minded than Danns
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Post by andyl on Feb 20, 2016 18:45:33 GMT
Re Heskey I thought I saw him signal injury and he came straight off. Neil would never take anyone off after 45 or even 50 mins unless his hand was forced. I don't think it was a tactical change.
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Post by davidm on Feb 20, 2016 18:46:57 GMT
The manager and I must have watched different matches. Neil Lennon believes that we played well and created lots of chances. Well can someone describe these many chances to me please? Clough’s overhead kick came from a lofted centre. His header came from the only decent centre that Feeney made and his goal was not really a chance – just a brilliant shot.
We may well have had a lot of the ball but we create practically nothing.
When we scored, we just panicked and lost all control of the game. We just hoofed the ball anywhere and hoped.
Our defending in the last minute was criminal. Phillips should not have been able to get a shot in and Amos should have saved it easily.
The general standard of that match was of two very average teams who couldn’t pass the ball at all well. QPR were content with 0-0 and slowed the game down at every chance whilst we are so slow and lacking drive and energy. Everything is played across the back 4 (or is it a back 6?) until a big hoof upfield.
Every week I think that maybe our revival and miraculous rescue will start today but it doesn’t.
I feel that we are doomed
Marks :-
Amos - 2 Terrible, terrible attempt to save the equaliser. He is so slow going down
Vela - 4 Perhaps his poorest game for passing and getting caught.
Moxey - 4 Should have tripped Phillips and taken a yellow in the last minute.
Holding - 6 Solid again. We must somehow (don’t know how) get him signed up.
Dervite - 5 Some awful passes in the first few minutes but improved. I think he should have got a block in and stopped Phillips shooting.
Feeney - 5 Loads of possession. Loads of effort but, yet again, just ONE good centre. He just hits the first man with 90% of his centres.
Clough - 6 Great goal plus two near misses. The only player on our side to threaten the QPR goal. Strangely though, he wasn’t his dynamic self – maybe that’s a fitness issue.
Spearing - 7 Worked really hard and kept QPR at bay well until last minute
Davies - 5 Manager thinks he had a good game. I look at it that, yet again, he did not create anything for our attack.
Pratley - 6 Ran forever. Fell over (fouled) endlessly but I could run around for 90 minutes and not create anything.
Heskey - 4 Sorry but he should not be upfront for us. Maybe an impact sub but other than that No.
Madine - 5 Doesn’t worry the opposition. Manager -5 I applauded his decision to have only one winger but we need our midfield players to drive forward and create chances. Ours don’t because we spend our entire time passing back and forth across the back line. We had one attack in the first half when the ball was on the edge of the QPR box and 3 passes later it was with Amos. That sort of tactic must be coached into us.
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Post by andyl on Feb 20, 2016 18:47:57 GMT
I was happy with Danns at that point,rftr and he did well immediately. But with the extra midfield strategy goodness knows why they all pushed up and we're exposed to yet another counter attack in the 93rd.
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Post by andyl on Feb 21, 2016 7:41:06 GMT
Having slept on it and read the above although not having seen highlights,I find I'm veering more to rtf's point of view.
I was so pleased that we went with only one wide man that at the time the resulting immunity to most counter attacks brought relief
But Dervite over Derik, Heskey pronounced too tired to play preferred to Woolery (and Madine.. but fair enough) and Feeney preferred to Silva throughout..and praised after a rubbish game on the wrong flank!!!!!!
I was ok with Danns replacing Clough but where was he when they broke away and exposed Moxey ? We're Danns and Davies clear about their post substitution roles.
Amos made a dreadful error but Neil - more points lost
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Post by beenheresince53 on Feb 21, 2016 10:41:27 GMT
Andy I think Fenney Pratley and Madine were as much to blame for their equaliser with 3 minutes to go in added time they decided to run the clock down for all of 5 seconds!! after losing the ball we had those 3 out of position and that for me contributed to their goal. Yes Amos and Moxey should have done better but it all started by their corner flag.
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Post by andyl on Feb 21, 2016 11:11:39 GMT
Andy I think Fenney Pratley and Madine were as much to blame for their equaliser with 3 minutes to go in added time they decided to run the clock down for all of 5 seconds!! after losing the ball we had those 3 out of position and that for me contributed to their goal. Yes Amos and Moxey should have done better but it all started by their corner flag. I totally agree and of these Feeney was the weakest. Even if he'd conceded a throw in we could have regrouped and it's not as if it's the first time for him. His tally of goals against far exceeds the ones he's scored. I don't know why he was still on at that time. Silva for Feeney was an obvious second half swap. The golden rule is..if playing for time never ever give Feeney the ball!!
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Post by davidm on Feb 21, 2016 11:44:24 GMT
Four points about our season:-
1. In the position we are in, we need to win matches.
2. To win matches, we need to score goals.
3. To score goals, we need to create chances.
4. We do not create chances.
For all the praise Pratley and Davies got yesterday for being involved and constant running, we do not get anywhere near the opposition’s goal. Pratley got MOM yesterday but he did not create one chance for our forwards. He tackled, harassed, fell over but creativity? There was none. Similarly Mark Davies; he ran around a lot, tracked back but created nothing.
8 shots of which 2 were on target in the whole match says it all.
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Post by davidm on Feb 21, 2016 11:52:50 GMT
Andy I think Fenney Pratley and Madine were as much to blame for their equaliser with 3 minutes to go in added time they decided to run the clock down for all of 5 seconds!! after losing the ball we had those 3 out of position and that for me contributed to their goal. Yes Amos and Moxey should have done better but it all started by their corner flag. I totally agree and of these Feeney was the weakest. Even if he'd conceded a throw in we could have regrouped and it's not as if it's the first time for him. His tally of goals against far exceeds the ones he's scored. I don't know why he was still on at that time. Silva for Feeney was an obvious second half swap. The golden rule is..if playing for time never ever give Feeney the ball!! One other comment on the QPR goal.
Initially Feeney, then Moxey and Amos were badly at fault but just watch Dervite's contribution.
Phillips beats Moxey and cuts across the edge of the area. He shapes to shoot and Dervite turns his back on the shot. He could, no he should, have dived in to block and get the ball into his face or body but he turned away from the shot.
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Post by andyl on Feb 21, 2016 12:28:55 GMT
Just saw it after getting back. I agree David. Dervite is terrible and perhaps unsighted Amos. Dervite should never be selected
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 21, 2016 14:38:18 GMT
I totally agree and of these Feeney was the weakest. Even if he'd conceded a throw in we could have regrouped and it's not as if it's the first time for him. His tally of goals against far exceeds the ones he's scored. I don't know why he was still on at that time. Silva for Feeney was an obvious second half swap. The golden rule is..if playing for time never ever give Feeney the ball!! One other comment on the QPR goal.
Initially Feeney, then Moxey and Amos were badly at fault but just watch Dervite's contribution.
Phillips beats Moxey and cuts across the edge of the area. He shapes to shoot and Dervite turns his back on the shot. He could, no he should, have dived in to block and get the ball into his face or body but he turned away from the shot.yes, agreed..Dervite played his part in that sense and another......centre backs are meant to stay tight together..5 or 10 yard gaps as if tied together on a string a la George Grahams coaching etc...when Holding comes across, you could drive a fleet of double decker buses straight through our centre backs ( look at the gap around 1.49 in the video !!) . as much as Amos and Moxey played their parts in that goal, the defensive mids also could have done better..we deliberately had 3 on..in Spearing ,Danns, Pratley..yet none of them are stationed there waiting to block up space ( in the Campo role or like Dier for Spurs as effectively a 3rd centreback )....none of them are in the picture FROM THE START in the build up to their goal. .Danns and Spearing come into the picture. it's as if we get partly caught on yet another counter attack. www.sportsessionplanner.com/s/AtHR/Defending-with-a-Back-4-UEFA-B-Licence.htmlmaybe NL and his team should read this ( link above ) " Coaching Points
Communication is key. Who takes control? CB's? Move up the pitch as a unit when attacking, to reduce space and force attackers away from goal.
Don't stray too far from each other - try to remain compact, thus restricting opportunities for balls/runs to be played/made behind. Rough guide - defence to remain as compact as the 18 yard box is wide. No more than 6 yards between each other. Shuffle over as a unit as the play is switched from one side to the other."now go back and watch the vid and tell me that defending is not criminal !!
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Post by beenheresince53 on Feb 21, 2016 14:53:07 GMT
Andy I think Fenney Pratley and Madine were as much to blame for their equaliser with 3 minutes to go in added time they decided to run the clock down for all of 5 seconds!! after losing the ball we had those 3 out of position and that for me contributed to their goal. Yes Amos and Moxey should have done better but it all started by their corner flag. I totally agree and of these Feeney was the weakest. Even if he'd conceded a throw in we could have regrouped and it's not as if it's the first time for him. His tally of goals against far exceeds the ones he's scored. I don't know why he was still on at that time. Silva for Feeney was an obvious second half swap. The golden rule is..if playing for time never ever give Feeney the ball!!
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Post by beenheresince53 on Feb 21, 2016 14:55:23 GMT
I. Know Feeney isn't your favourite all time Wanderers player but it isn't his fault his Mum said he even had trouble crossing the road as a lad!!!
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Post by andyl on Feb 21, 2016 15:11:47 GMT
Yes - well argued ,rtf. All sadly true. And the midfield were confused. You could see when Danns came on they didn't seem to know who was to go where.
In the end such a shame because we did control much of the game..but a mess like that at 93 minutes is inexcusable.
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Post by andyl on Feb 21, 2016 15:17:13 GMT
I totally agree and of these Feeney was the weakest. Even if he'd conceded a throw in we could have regrouped and it's not as if it's the first time for him. His tally of goals against far exceeds the ones he's scored. I don't know why he was still on at that time. Silva for Feeney was an obvious second half swap. The golden rule is..if playing for time never ever give Feeney the ball!! I. Know Feeney isn't your favourite all time Wanderers player but it isn't his fault his Mum said he even had trouble crossing the road as a lad!!! Yes,can't deny that. I think his effort is commendable and he is quite endearing. He can be a good impact player. But he should not play every minute of every match. A footballer who cannot head,tackle,kick or pass a ball consistently is unlikely to be very successful And yes he would be a lollipop person's nightmare.
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