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Post by davidm on Jan 19, 2016 23:10:53 GMT
Kevin Kilbane's verdict for the BBC: "the quality of Neil Lennon's Bolton shone through in the end...... They did a really good job tonight." He described our third goal as brilliant, a superbly-worked goal, particularly on the part of Davies. Your comments?? Yes, the 3rd goal was excellently made and taken and Moxey goal was a good shot BUT the overall display was terrible. I made Trotter man of match because he contributed something and made less mistakes than the rest who were dreadful. As usual, the set up of the team was wrong. Madine was left 20 yards on his own with no support. Like Andy says, two evenly matched side until mid second half when Eastleigh tired. Overall a total embarrassment
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 19, 2016 23:14:31 GMT
Kevin Kilbane once played for Wigan....
No further comment your honour!!
Actually, that's a bit unfair as I don't really mind him but to call us excellent tonight is strangely odd.
That's must rank as one of the worst victories ever! I found myself willing Eastleigh to win and I've never done that. I'm really beginning to hate Neil Lennon more so than Freedman and that is a scathing statement
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Post by davidm on Jan 19, 2016 23:21:20 GMT
At the very start of the game, we kicked off and Eastleigh did not touch the ball for nearly 2 minutes.
Sounds good but No. We just passed it amongst our back 6 and never progressed. Eastleigh were allowed to settle because we just walked around instead of attacking.
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Post by davidm on Jan 19, 2016 23:38:15 GMT
Rachubka - 5 - not sure if he could have got out to the 2nd goal Vela - 5 - some average passing. Improved in 2nd half Moxey - 6 - a few scares Dervite - 6 - relatively calm but as the senior defender should have organised defence better Holding - 6 - caught on 2nd goal but not the worst on the night Pratley - 3 - great goal but otherwise awful Trotter - 7 - MOM steadiest of a dreadful midfield/attack Davies - 3 - terrible Feeney - 4 two decent crosses but then the rest rubbish Silva 4 - one trick pony. Just doesn't see his colleagues so never passes Madine - 4 - left on his own up front
Manager - 2 - we will lose most of our matches with those tactics.
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Post by andyl on Jan 20, 2016 2:45:31 GMT
We looked a lot better when Ameobi came on. The third goal was well executed. Davies did do well on an otherwise very negative night for him (that said he was stuck out on the left and no doubt had been told to cover Silva)
One upfront is fine. But when Madine is the one!!! When he got injured he was clean through starting around five yards clear but overhauled in moments. Injury looked odd. He just took himself off down the tunnel . Ameobi ' s assist for the goal was really good.
If we did look a higher class than the opposition it was only really Trotter who made us look it and even he had a very quiet spell in the early part of the second half
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Post by andyl on Jan 20, 2016 2:51:13 GMT
I thought Moxey had a good game although open to criticism on the first goal when he went narrow and ceded left back duties to Silva - not a good idea
I would have liked to see more rotation in this for example Woolery to get a start. By playing the same team over and over we have now lost Wheater and Madine to injury for the important league game. We should have had enough in hand for Spearing Casado and Derik to be allowed out of the naughty corner to which they have been exiled
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Post by andyl on Jan 20, 2016 5:34:51 GMT
One good thing about Trotter these last two games is that he tends to hit firm passes and often ahead of players. It was all a bit tentative last night but when he fizzed one out to the left wing in the second half it made me think how poor the others are! At this basic skill. Mark Davies until late just would not go forward. It was very frustrating to watch.
I hope but rather doubt that Neil learnt from last night. Silva looked better down the middle and once or twice on the right Feeney is bench able. Really! Madine cannot play upfront on his own. Holding isn't ready to assume central defensive responsibilities Players should head balls at their high point and not let them bounce or back off - several examples last night Much to work on on the training ground?
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Post by andyl on Jan 20, 2016 5:37:40 GMT
O yes..It would be really good if someone would practise free kick and corner taking . To be fair , Silva did hit one good one
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Post by joanna on Jan 20, 2016 10:02:28 GMT
Also from the BBC: "Pratley scored a goal his industry deserved", and, from the Eastleigh manager: "Bolton showed their class."
You see, I'm concerned that we fans are just waiting to criticise:- we have got it in our heads that certain players are awful and we pounce on the first thing they do wrong, causing extra nervousness. (Conversely, we have our favourites who get praise for very little!) We all seem intent on proving our point to fellow posters, because, just like Dougie, "we know best".
If Kilbane, the BBC summariser and the Eastleigh manager can see the game differently from those of us who look to pounce immediately on errors in order to prove our entrenched opinions, it makes me wonder if whole-hearted support from the first minute to the last, rather than early groans and boos, might prevent some of the nerves that understandably arise when confidence is low.The club's background turmoil can't help either.
I definitely don't agree about lack of effort. I thought the spirit shown at Eastleigh on an unplayable surface was excellent and again last night we rallied well after a superb opener from the Spitfires and the consequent boos and jeers from the crowd. Supporters should support.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 10:46:29 GMT
Also from the BBC: "Pratley scored a goal his industry deserved", and, from the Eastleigh manager: "Bolton showed their class." You see, I'm concerned that we fans are just waiting to criticise:- we have got it in our heads that certain players are awful and we pounce on the first thing they do wrong, causing extra nervousness. (Conversely, we have our favourites who get praise for very little!) We all seem intent on proving our point to fellow posters, because, just like Dougie, "we know best". If Kilbane, the BBC summariser and the Eastleigh manager can see the game differently from those of us who look to pounce immediately on errors in order to prove our entrenched opinions, it makes me wonder if whole-hearted support from the first minute to the last, rather than early groans and boos, might prevent some of the nerves that understandably arise when confidence is low.The club's background turmoil can't help either. I definitely don't agree about lack of effort. I thought the spirit shown at Eastleigh on an unplayable surface was excellent and again last night we rallied well after a superb opener from the Spitfires and the consequent boos and jeers from the crowd. Supporters should support. couldn't go so wont comment, but the points you make over looking for the negatives instead of the positive are very fair ,when my cousins from Blackburn came they were amazed how quickly the crowd began to moan and how poor the vocal support was until we scored ,the main comment was "you don't give your lads much confidence" some tomes I have to agree .
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 20, 2016 10:47:45 GMT
Also from the BBC: "Pratley scored a goal his industry deserved", and, from the Eastleigh manager: "Bolton showed their class." You see, I'm concerned that we fans are just waiting to criticise:- we have got it in our heads that certain players are awful and we pounce on the first thing they do wrong, causing extra nervousness. (Conversely, we have our favourites who get praise for very little!) We all seem intent on proving our point to fellow posters, because, just like Dougie, "we know best". If Kilbane, the BBC summariser and the Eastleigh manager can see the game differently from those of us who look to pounce immediately on errors in order to prove our entrenched opinions, it makes me wonder if whole-hearted support from the first minute to the last, rather than early groans and boos, might prevent some of the nerves that understandably arise when confidence is low.The club's background turmoil can't help either. I definitely don't agree about lack of effort. I thought the spirit shown at Eastleigh on an unplayable surface was excellent and again last night we rallied well after a superb opener from the Spitfires and the consequent boos and jeers from the crowd. Supporters should support. Joanna, I get your point on your 3rd paragraph, but that's what this forums all about, venting our frustrations and hiding behind our angry comments, but this has been going on for way too long. Forget the background turmoil for a moment, if 11 blokes cannot take to the field and enjoy their profession, which they are handsomely paid for, then they should choose another profession. The only other thing I would add, without stating the obvious, we are rock bottom of a poor league, a very poor league, a league in which Bristol City beat high flying promotion favourites Middlesboro last week and that is why I'm so damn angry and don't get excited that we scraped a 3-2 victory against minnows
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Post by bonaparte on Jan 20, 2016 11:08:09 GMT
Joanna,
Do you not think that we season ticket holders, of which I am one, and supporters have been patient enough. For years we have been saying the club has been mismanaged, and by a Chief Executive who is a Management Accountant. He thought Eddy Davies would keep on paying, what he said to Eddy, an allegedly shrewd business man one can only guess. So to the football, It is patently clear that since BSA left us we have been on a downslide. Unfortunately the contracts for the players brought in subsequently did not have wage reduction for demotion and so we have had many so called premiership players earning premiership wages in the Championship, and lots of them, we have an enormous squad. Since Neil Lennon came he has had support, not for results but because he wasn't Megson, or Coyle or Dougie and he has been given his chance. So how can we express our disappointment? Not attending. I now don't go to away matches and didn't go last night. Does that do any good? Write a blog? Does anyone listen? Doubt it. Hold up a banner saying Lennon out. That would soon be taken down. Hold a protest meeting? Who listens? So what can we do? We can only applaud good play, relatively scarce these days and boo poor play, poor tactics. So yes after years of dross, poor management and poor football we have only one outlet for our frustrations, perhaps you can find us another one.
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Post by Pedro on Jan 20, 2016 11:25:05 GMT
Finally a win! But! 52 places between us - you would definitely have thought we were in the same league. What the hell goes on when they are on the training ground? Surely when we are so poor in normal play the plan would be to practice set pieces for hours and hours until they get it right and a few of them could hit a consistently good corner and free kicks? Then the next day fire in corners for hours until they can all head on target and then away from the bloody keeper. We must have wasted hundreds of corners this season and never take a dangerous or effective free kick. We have a couple of players who can take a decent long throw in but it always looks as if it is just pot luck and not with any plan. This must be down to the Manager and I have lost it with him now. Stick him away on gardening leave and bring back the Jimmy and David show! It cannot get any worse. And please let Woolery, who is one of the few who knows how to shoot on target more than four minutes - unbelievable .
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Post by Pedro on Jan 20, 2016 11:48:57 GMT
Tweet from Iles last night:
10 yrs ago #bwfc were about to go 7th in the PL with a 2-0 win against #mcfc. Today they're 1-0 down to Eastleigh. What a time to be alive!
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Post by one2many on Jan 20, 2016 11:51:22 GMT
Finally a win! But! 52 places between us - you would definitely have thought we were in the same league. What the hell goes on when they are on the training ground? Surely when we are so poor in normal play the plan would be to practice set pieces for hours and hours until they get it right and a few of them could hit a consistently good corner and free kicks? Then the next day fire in corners for hours until they can all head on target and then away from the bloody keeper. We must have wasted hundreds of corners this season and never take a dangerous or effective free kick. We have a couple of players who can take a decent long throw in but it always looks as if it is just pot luck and not with any plan. This must be down to the Manager and I have lost it with him now. Stick him away on gardening leave and bring back the Jimmy and David show! It cannot get any worse. And please let Woolery, who is one of the few who knows how to shoot on target more than four minutes - unbelievable . Pedro, estoy 100% contigo hombre. Thumbs up.
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